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    Quote Originally Posted by KChill View Post
    Well if you were implying that I was one of the homophobes, I'm far from it? I was simply saying that it was an interesting idea for a wuxia novel. However, after Jean put the image in my head of a gay XSL, I'm agree totally with her......I'm against it. Maybe I could deal with reading about them holding hands but as for the Huang Yi level of detail, HECK NO! Nothing phobic about it.
    @ KChill: Oh... I blame it on the interwebs--makes it difficult to figure out what tone people are writing in. It sounded like you were ridiculing the concept of a gay hero, which you say you weren't.

    What I don't understand is this though: Why are you ok with Huang Yi level of detail for straight sex, but not for gay sex?

    Now that's two questions I've thrown out for the SPCnet community to answer! (The other one was "Why do some people on this forum find gay heroes (in story or real life) inconceivable?")

    Quote Originally Posted by deccan View Post
    Yeah, this reminds me of the Sacred Band of Thebes.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Band_of_Thebes

    If you watched "300" and thought that the Spartans were badasses, well, the Sacred Band kicked the Spartans' asses and they were all homosexuals.
    lol, thanks for the share! Forgot to include the Sacred Band. The ancient Greeks thought that encouraging homosexuality in the army would be better for morale--they figured soldiers would fight harder if they were fighting for their lovers too (but what if they broke up with their lovers, or cheated on them...)

    @ Jean: Yeah, that's what I've read too.
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    DL,

    As a heterosexual man, I'd think it's pretty simple to understand -- Jean summarized it perfectly. We just don't care to hear all of the details, unless it's male/female. Just natural reaction there.

    As for your second question.... I DO find gay heroes conceivable and that's why I told you i thought it was an interesting concept. We would all be very naive to think that some of the heroes of historic times were not gay, and even more naive to think that some of the soldiers who protect us nowadays -- not to mention police officers, firemen, and rescue personnel aren't either. But it's just not something you'll ever see become overt. I served in the military for 8 years and I know I had to have worked with some gay soldiers in that time, but it was never apparent.

    That being said, we probably should move this to another forum if we want more in depth discussion.

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    to continue.....

    ************************************************** *******

    Lady Pingyuan knew that she has made a slip of the tongue and with her expression remained unchanged, she explained, “That was just said in a fit of anger. Shaolong! You can’t possibly have fallen in love with that s.lutty woman!”

    Xiang Shaolong replied, “I don’t know if I have fallen for her, but she is truly infatuated with me, so I do not wish to see any untoward befall her.”

    Lady Pingyuan tried to struggle out of his grasp angrily, “Let me go!”

    Xiang Shaolong smiled, “Lady is jealous!” He still held on to her shoulder tightly and kissed her lips again.

    Under his flirtatious and hot kisses, Lady Pingyuan softened.

    Their mouths parted. Lady Pingyuan sighed helplessly again.

    Xiang Shaolong knows that she is in a dilemma. On one hand she wants to cause harm to him, but on the other hand she can’t help but to look for him to alleviate her loneliness of so many years. Of course he will not uncover her plot so he changed the topic, “What is Lady’s future husband like?”

    Lady Pingyuan turned silent before replying, “He is the great general Bai Gui, have you heard of him?”

    Xiang Shaolong thought to himself that this must be another political agreement, why would he be interested to know, so he leaned forward and kissed her neck.

    Lady Pingyuan has gone without physical intimacy for so long, so how can she tolerate such excitement so she struggled and cried out, “No!”

    Xiang Shaolong left her and looked at her with a smile.

    Lady Pingyuan struggled out of his grasp and pushed the door open, saying, “I am leaving!”

    Xiang Shaolong sent her out the door and said, “Since you’re not accompanying me, I’ll have to look for Lady Ya.”

    Lady Pingyuan saw that the 4 guards waiting outside the door seems to be listening on the conversation so she left after giving him a stare.

    Xiang Shaolong pretended to be going towards Flying Clouds Chambers but once he turned the corner and saw no one around, he removed his outer clothes and hid them. Using the hook and ropes, he climbed up the roof and followed Lady Pingyuan from afar, walking either on the roof or corridors or using the big trees as camouflage.

    For a person as careful as Lady Pingyuan, once she hears what he told her, she will certainly warn Prince Xinling!

    There are countless rooms in the vast residence and the nearer they got to the inner courtyards, the tighter the security with high walls and watch towers. If not for the fact that Xiang Shaolong had once undergone strict training, and has seen the floor plan of the residence and has the appropriate equipment, there’s no way he will be able to infiltrate the place.

    There are alarm drums atop the watch towers, so one can imagine that in an emergency, once the signal is sounded, action will be swift.

    At this time Lady Pingyuan, under the escort of the 4 guards, walked into a corridor.

    The walls on both sides were long and tall which leads to an open area. Luckily there were a few rows of tall trees, or else there’d be no way for him to sneak in undiscovered.

    Facing the entrance to the courtyard is a large building, in front of its door there are 2 rows of 18 guards and outside the house there are guards patrolling with guard dogs.

    Very carefully, Xiang Shaolong used the hook and ropes and jumped onto the roof from the tall tree nearest to the building.

    Lady Pingyuan went into the building alone and after passing a broad well, went to the main hall to meet Prince Xinling.

    Wei Wuji was lying on the rug, his right and left arms each holding a beauty and was drinking and enjoying himself. Even when he saw his elder sister, he continued with his flirtations.

    The decorations in the hall was exquisite and the colors matching, the glow from the lanterns soothing, giving one a very comfortable feeling.

    Lady Pingyuan sat down opposite Prince Xinling.

    Prince Xinling suddenly grabbed one of the women by her hair and pulled her head back.

    The woman tilted her head back and under the luminance of the lantern, the beauty’s alluring face was revealed to Xiang Shaolong who was hanging upside down outside the window. Looking at her fair neck, he can’t help but gulp and at the same time felt pity for her.

    Prince Xinling then went towards her fair neck and started kissing and biting her violently, causing that beauty’s body to shake and squirm and she was moaning as well. Obviously she is in pain and not pleasure.

    By the time Prince Xinling’s mouth left her, the tender and fair skin on her neck is full of teeth marks, and there was a faint trace of blood as well.

    The other lady seems to be unperturbed, still smiling and not revealing any look of surprise at all.

    Prince Xinling chortled madly and still pulling that woman’s hair, asked Lady Pingyuan, “Do you think this woman is comparable to that s.lut Zhao Ya.”

    Lady Pingyuan sighed and said, “Wuji! You’re jealous!”

    Prince Xinling pushed that beauty away and shouted, “Scram.”

    The 2 women hurriedly ran to the back hall to hide.

    Prince Xinling took a gulp from the wine bottle and wiped his mouth with his sleeve and said furiously, “That b.itch Zhao Ya, when I defeated the Qin army, she was all condescending towards me in Handan. But look at how she is treating me now, I will make her sorry.”

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    Wonder what they have planned for Zhao Ya....

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    Oh man, I'm hoping nothing bad happens to Lady Ya. I'm starting to really like her. Her past really does deserve pity. This brother-sister pair makes me sick . So many vile characters.

    Anywho, thanks for the daily updates, Jean. What would we do without you?

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    i personally want pinyaun [lady] to fall madly in love with xiaolong to the point of disregarding her brother thanks jean highly appreciated!

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    Thank you so much Jean

    Pinyuan is too evil to love or let desire complicate her plans I guess. I don't like her at all

    We just don't care to hear all of the details, unless it's male/female
    You forgot female/female.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KChill View Post
    That being said, we probably should move this to another forum if we want more in depth discussion.
    Indeed--I have some replies; maybe we'll move the discussion. For now, though, I'll respond to this point made by Eliza:

    Quote Originally Posted by eliza bennet View Post
    You forgot female/female.
    Huang Yi wrote in a scene between Lady Ya and her maid (right before XSL's duel with Lian Jin--the goal was to give XSL an aphrodisiac and wear him down, except he gave it to the two ladies). For some reason that was deemed to be a seller... Goes back to the observation we've all made re straight guys and their different reactions to lesbians vs. gays.

    ... should that have gone to the promised new thread?
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    to continue....

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    Lady Pingyuan furrowed her brows, “Where’s your patience gone? Can’t you even wait for a few days? Have you seen Zhao Ya?”

    Prince Xinling waved his hands, “Don’t talk about her. Only now do I believe your words, Zhao Ya sacrificed her body because of her adoration for Zhao Mu. When I destroy Zhao in future, I will certainly make Zhao Mu have a taste of all the forms of torture in the world.”

    Lady Pingyuan said through gritted teeth, “I can’t wait to eat his flesh and drink his blood as well. If not for him, how could Prince Pingyuan, Zhao Sheng die so early for naught?” She then told him what she heard from Xiang Shaolong about Lady Ya’s confidence in stealing the secret manual.

    Prince Xinling seems unbothered and said, “Even if that s.lut knows that the secret manual is in the secret underground room here, security here is so tight she can forget about sneaking in. Don’t worry!”

    Xiang Shaolong who was outside the window was ecstatic. Firstly he has confirmed that there indeed is a secret manual and it’s in one of the secret rooms in this building. With a special task force agent like him, it is a big possibility that he can steal the secret manual.

    Lady Pingyuan commented, “It’s still better to be careful!”

    Prince Xinling replied, “I have already increased security. Even if she can get the manual, she can forget about taking it out of the residence.”

    Lady Pingyuan was silent for a moment before asking, “How are relations between you and An Li now?”

    A flash of anger went past Prince Xinling’s eyes as he said coldly, “That old idiot is belittling me more and more. He only knows how to place his trust on petty people like Lord Longyang, Lou Wu, Su Song, Guan Pi etc. If I allow him to have his unruly way, our Great Wei will be destroyed sooner or later.”

    Lady Pingyuan asked, “When are you going to arrange for Xiang Shaolong to see An Li?”

    Prince Xinling replied, “Now we’re using the excuse that Zhao Qian is not used to the conditions here so she can’t enter the palace to meet An Li yet so that we can have more time to prepare. But this matter cannot be delayed. I’ve decided that on the 1st of the next month, which is 3 days later, we’ll let Xiang Shaolong officially send Zhao Qian into the palace. An Li will certainly set a feast to welcome time and that will be the time to take action.” He paused and continued, “You better tie Xiang Shaolong tightly with love so that he will risk his life for us without a doubt.”

    Lady Pingyuan sighed sadly, “You’d better find another way to retain him, I’m a little afraid to see him.”

    Prince Xinling was startled, “You can’t possibly have fallen for him?”

    Lady Pingyuan stood up and sighed again, shaking her head, “The grander picture is of more importance, what is a personal loss? It’s just that I’m afraid that once I have a sexual relation with him and have his child, that’ll be even worse.” She turned around to leave as she finished her words.

    Xiang Shaolong was at a loss. He was stunned for a moment, and waited until after Prince Xinling went into the inner hall before he sneaked into the main hall and did a quick check. He only left secretly when he has made sure that the secret underground room is not beneath this hall.

    Xiang Shaolong burrowed beneath the blanket, holding Lady Ya’s burning body, so comfortable that he was moaning.

    Ever since he came to Daliang, he has this horrible feeling that he’s lost in an angry sea. It’s only when he’s hugging this beauty can he feel a short moment of relaxation and safety. It doesn’t matter if this feeling is so feeble or fake, it’s still enough to make one intoxicated enough to treasure it.

    It’s the first time he felt no barriers or distance between him and Zhao Ya.

    The two of them used all their might to hug each other, enjoying the brief pleasure during this difficult time.

    Lady Ya kissed his ears as she asked, “Why don’t you go and take a look at Third Princess?”

    Xiang Shaolong sighed, “I’m afraid I won’t be able to hold myself back with her and when I return to Zhao later, Zhao Mu will surely use this to trap me.”

    Lady Ya kissed him approvingly and said, “It’s rare that you’re so alert, Xiang Lang! Zhao Ya loves you.”

    Xiang Shaolong replied sincerely, “I love you too!” He then told her in detail what he has overheard.

    Zhao Ya said, “The underground room must be beneath Prince Xinling’s bedroom. Xiang Lang is so capable to be able to infiltrate into such a highly guarded place. This must be out of that conniving thief’s expectations.”

    Xiang Shaolong replied, “It may not be difficult to steal the secret manual, but the difficult part is getting you 12 weak and dainty beauties out of Daliang.”

    Zhao Ya replied, “All residences belonging to royalty and officials will certainly have a secret passageway for escape. If we can find this passageway, there’s the possibility of escaping from the mansion. But even if we can get out, we won’t be able to slip out of the city.”

    Xiang Shaolong was inspired by her words and sat up. He thought that if there is a passageway, it will certainly be behind Prince Xinling’s residence, because he has checked the floor in the main hall and did not find anything.

    Lady Ya sat up with him and laid in his arms, asking, “Shaolong! What have you thought of?”

    Xiang Shaolong explained, “If there is a secret passageway, it must be connected with the secret room which holds Lu Gong’s Secret Manual. That is only reasonable. Also, there will be more than one entrance to this passageway, so as long as we can find just one of the entrances, we will be able to move freely in here.”

    Lady Ya smiled coquettishly, “Leave this to me, I guarantee that I will not disappoint.”

    Xiang Shaolong hugged her tightly and laughed, “Zhao Ya is so obedient, how shall I thank you?”

    Zhao Ya was about to reply when someone knocked on the door, followed by Zhao Qian’s sad voice calling out, “Can Qian’er come in?”

    When Xiang Shaolong woke up, the bed was filled with a fragrant smell.

    Zhao Ya and Zhao Qian were on either side of him, hugging him tightly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean View Post
    to continue....

    ************************************************** ***

    Zhao Ya was about to reply when someone knocked on the door, followed by Zhao Qian’s sad voice calling out, “Can Qian’er come in?”

    When Xiang Shaolong woke up, the bed was filled with a fragrant smell.

    Zhao Ya and Zhao Qian were on either side of him, hugging him tightly.

    ************************************************** *******
    hehe, did u miss some thing out here Jean? o_O :-P :-D

    Its good the way evil seems to be evil and good seems to be good. I wonder where the twist will happen.. not very easy to tell where exactly the story is going..

    Thanks jean :-)

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    i personally dislike/hate the thought of lesbians as much as the thought of gays!

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    Quote Originally Posted by little Fish View Post
    hehe, did u miss some thing out here Jean? o_O :-P :-D

    Thanks jean :-)
    First I would like to express my extreme gratitude for taking the time to translate this novel Jean.

    I have read this novel 3 times already in Vietnamese, and I thought that this is the best novel that I have ever read but some how I always felt a little bit unsatisfied because the Vietnamese translator decided to censor the novel by deleting a lot of the content. I was extremely pleased when I found your translated version since from the beginning you faithfully translated the novel without deleting any content (I hope you didn't because I compared the 2 versions). I used your translation to add the missing parts back to my copy of the Vietnamese translation (for my own archival use).

    Jean, please don't censor and delete parts of the novel.

    Again, thank you so much Jean (and please if you deleted that part above, can you translate and added it back again )
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    WHen i said it i was kinda just kidding around.. Jean has been doing a brilliant job and I cant ask for more!

    but if we dont pull Jean's leg every so often then she will think we arent appreciating her work!! hehe..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shi-Potian View Post
    i personally dislike/hate the thought of lesbians as much as the thought of gays!
    well, at least that has some integrity and consistency instead of being self-centered.

    but i personally dislike/hate the thought of lesbianphobes as much as gayphobes (after all, they are equally homophobic). but i have to remember they are people too and love them.

    (sorry, I realize this should be moved to a new thread by now but couldn't let this one slide)

    and thanks Jean!! this is so exciting =D
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    Thank you so much Jean


    I think yet another male fantasy has happened to our hero. He got to sleep with two women at the time, even better one of them is very experienced and the other is a virgin. Hahahahahaaaaaa, this is like an Anita Blake novel for men.

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    Two women is nothing. Didn't XSL had an orgy with Lady Ya and her maids in the palace before they left Zhao? He sleeps around so much, I can't remember all the details.

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    you really have to respect xsl's stamina this guy has being 'having fun' with girls just about every night....want to say thnx to jean for doing such a amazing job on this translation

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    Jean use the SPOILER tag, don't be bashful!!!!

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    sorry to disappoint you guys, but I did not edit anything out. What were u expecting?



    ************************************************** *
    With Zhao Qian around last night, he did not have fun with Lady Ya and naturally he dared not touch Zhao Qian as well. But that kind of intoxicating feeling is alluring enough as well.

    After having a good sleep, all the dejection he felt yesterday was swept away.

    He has let go of everything else and did not step out of Flying Clouds Chamber the whole morning, spending the time chatting happily with the 2 ladies and the maids.

    At noon, Prince Xinling sent someone to ask for him.

    At the outer hall, Prince Xinling was sitting with 3 other people, having tea. On seeing his arrival, he immediately introduced them and they turned out to be famous mercenary in his residence.

    One of them who was large built and ugly was Zhu Hai. When Prince Xinling stole the military token to defeat Qin years ago, it was all thanks to him who hid a 40jin hammer and used it to kill the General Jin Bi who was leading the military. He is one of the famed fiercest general in the world.

    The other two are Tan Bang and Yue Xing. The former was heavily bearded and looked like a Confucian scholar while the latter was short and stout, with a glance one can tell that he’s a highly skilled pugilist.

    Prince Xinling smiled, “It’s the first time Shaolong has been here, let me bring you around and after lunch we can meet the most talented and beautiful lady in Daliang and let’s see if you can manage to impress her.”

    Xiang Shaolong immediately thought of the ‘Shi Shaonu’ whom Lady Ya once mentioned and he was immediately invigorated and followed them out of the house.

    The 5 of them went separately in 2 horse carriages and under the protection of 20 odd guards, toured Daliang.

    The carriage went past the route they took when they arrived, which passed the imperial palace.

    The buildings were grouped magnificently together with carvings of phoenixes and dragons, with lush woods surrounding them. But when Xiang Shaolong thought of when these pretty buildings will soon become unrecognizable ruins, he felt a great pity.

    Along the walls of the palace, there were river ways intercrossed with roads and bridge, looking extremely picturesque.

    After leaving the palace area, they turned into a bustling street linking the north and south.

    Strangely, there’s a path right in the middle of the large street, which is extremely flat with locust tress planted thickly on both sides, and next to them were wide drains. The pedestrian walkway is on the outer area of the drains.

    Prince Xinling explained, “This is an official pathway reserved only for the use of his Majesty and officials with the ranks of dukes and above, commoners are not allowed to step on it.”

    As he spoke, the carriage as already turned into the official pathway.

    At the southern end of the official path was tightly knitted residential and commercial areas, the layout was organized although chaotic in a way as well. Ladies, gentlemen and merchants were moving around the crowd with people talking and bumping into one another, making the place look extremely exciting and prosperous.

    They had lunch at the largest restaurant in this area, Dan Yang Lou. This restaurant has its front facing the main street and its back against a small river and was very exquisite.

    They took up a large private room near the river on the 2nd level and when they’ve had some drinks, that Tan Bang became very chatty, revealing his scholarly nature. No wonder Prince Xinling would invite him along to accompany them.

    Although Zhu Hai and Yue Xing were more into martial arts, they too listened intently.

    It’s the first time Xiang Shaolong has heard such an in-depth and witty analysis of current affairs and was very much intrigued.

    Right then Prince Xinling asked, “Amongst the many schools of thought, which school and which person is the best?”

    Tan Bang smiled and took his time to reply, “Although it’s said that rivers all flow in different ways, but in today’s time they have all merged. From what I see, amongst the modern people now, Zou Yan and Xun Qing* from Qi and Master Fei** from Han have all the accomplishments of learned men before our time, and can also do more than what has been done by our forefathers. Their teachings will certainly be the way to go for future ideals on managing a state.”

    *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xun_Zi
    ** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_Fei

    Naturally Xiang Shaolong knows who Xun Zi and Han Fei is, but he does not know the background of Zou Yan at all and asked, “Who is Zou Yan?”

    Everyone looked at him in surprise.

    Prince Xinling commented, “I did not know that Shaolong don’t even know who this famous and rare person is.” He continued with a mysterious smile, “Let me introduce you later.”

    Xiang Shaolong was stunned, could it be that this Zou Yan is living in that Shi Cainu’s house, or else how could he see him so easily?

    Tan Bang lowered his voice, “Mister Zou may be one of the rare talents in the world now, but he is famous now because the situation made him so.”

    Everyone hurriedly asked him for the reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean
    sorry to disappoint you guys, but I did not edit anything out. What were u expecting?
    Oh boy, I feel like a fool.

    I blame it on little Fish.

    Thanks again Jean.
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    Can we drop the issue of "butty boys please".
    Some of us a homophobic and we are by no means a minority or an odity.

    Some of us openly like the idea of having gay friends and taking it up the butty.

    each of us to our own... I mean i dont say that im right, its just the way i feel on the issue at this piont in my life.

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