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    Quote Originally Posted by Da Bao View Post
    Given the choice, I take person B over person A, not because my job is more important than the life of a stranger, but because person B's money will save more people. Choosing to save Person A saves person A alone. Saving Person B saves all the other people with his mother's funding. Taking away that funding could result in a lot of people who can't receive the proper care and might die. Those people could very well be people who really deserve care too.
    Ok, so you would bow to the rich and powerful and let a good man die because he is poor. You rather save a rich criminal who was twice accused of rape and broke another guy's arm because of his race...

    You basically send the message to the public that it doesn't matter what you do as long as you are rich and powerful you will be a winner. No matter how good you are, how much you help others and society, but if you are poor, then you will be a loser. You are worthless. Your poor life is worth less than the life of a rich criminal who committed numerous crimes...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sourplum View Post
    Did you read the other responses given first Particia?
    i did. while i understand their argument, i don't think it's true. in the united states, health care is unfortunately a business. the money donated to the facilities really do not go to the poor. for the most part, it goes to technology or renovating the hospital, so that argument about the million dollars helping the less fortunate isn't correct. maybe the million dollar would be used to make a facility more efficient or attractive to more private clients but in any case, this is obviously not for the less fortunate. perhaps in other countries, the million dollars may directly help the less fortunate.

    however, if this situation takes place in the US, i'd rather the organ go to the more deserving guy who will not take that priceless organ for granted. also, it's because we keep on tayloring to these big donors (i suppose this can be considered bribery instead of charity) that they can continue to make these demands. ideally, if we were consistent and stuck to our morals, maybe we would never have to worry about this debate. who knows?

    but like i said, the rich guy will most likely get the organ in the end, at the cost of blowing an organ that could have saved another guy's life.

    i don't think there really is absolute right answer that 's why i chose not to fully argue in this debate and chose to ignore the previous arguments. but since you asked nicely, i replied.
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    many of you bring up point that patient 2 will "ruin the new liver/kidney" or that he'll continue in his destructive ways, but remember, i said he has kicked his habits. who's to say he won't live a reformed life from now on?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pemberly View Post
    many of you bring up point that patient 2 will "ruin the new liver/kidney" or that he'll continue in his destructive ways, but remember, i said he has kicked his habits. who's to say he won't live a reformed life from now on?
    It doesn't matter...
    Based on what they have done in the past, Person A should get the organ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trien Chieu View Post
    It doesn't matter...
    Based on what they have done in the past, Person A should get the organ...
    you know what you are if you're always facing the past? an A$$.

    you should look toward the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pemberly View Post
    you know what you are if you're always facing the past? an A$$.

    you should look toward the future.
    You don't know the future. You only know the present and the past...
    So you only can judge a person based on his/her present and past, not his/her future....
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    Quote Originally Posted by pemberly View Post
    many of you bring up point that patient 2 will "ruin the new liver/kidney" or that he'll continue in his destructive ways, but remember, i said he has kicked his habits. who's to say he won't live a reformed life from now on?
    i still give it to pt A. pt B is wealthy enough to go buy himself an organ even though i'm against that idea. too many people are being victimized into selling their organs as a last resort to provide for their family, and the wealthy folks take advantage of this. it makes me soooo MADDDD and terribly sad by this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trien Chieu View Post
    You don't know the future. You only know the present and the past...
    So you only can judge a person based on his/her present and past, not his/her future....
    Exactly. And you know for certain Person A will remain good for the rest of his life? Maybe he saw the 'light' after the operation and goes bad. You never know what's going to happen.
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    Which one is more in need of a kidney medically? If it is the same, my first answer would be person A.

    However, as a Christian, I don't think it is right for us to judge anybody because of their past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guo Xiang View Post
    Exactly. And you know for certain Person A will remain good for the rest of his life? Maybe he saw the 'light' after the operation and goes bad. You never know what's going to happen.
    Nothing is 100% certain, but if I have to bet life saving between the two, I would bet Person A will still be a better person than Person B.

    Quote Originally Posted by fridaythe13th View Post
    However, as a Christian, I don't think it is right for us to judge anybody because of their past.
    I am not a Christian, of course I would judge a person based on his/her past. That is all fair and square.
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