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    Oh please, don't tell me you think she's not cheap. I can't believe there is actually a dispute over whether she is easy or not, sheesh. Being politically correct is nice and all, but sometimes you just gotta face reality. But sure, continue being stuck in the idealistic/moral world. Too bad for you, the majority of netizens agree with the commonly accepted view. And hence why her career is gonna go into the slumps.

    You seem to have issues with the main point here...people are saying she's cheap not because she had sex and her private pics are out, but because she is EASY and sleeps around with a player. Yada yada garbage about not judging people. Yeah, even if I don't, millions of other people will, so tough luck, that's the deal w/ being an idol.

    And when you make comparisons, try to make ones that actually make sense.

    And I'm not even gonna bother being pretentious, because your attempts at sarcasm are really quite..pathetic. The thing I hate the most about people on their high horses are "What if you were in the situation? What would you do?" Well guess what, I'm not, and I won't be, because I'm not that stupid to let some player take pictures of me giving him a blow job. So too bad for you, the "What if" is pointless and useless here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunnysnow View Post
    I never did blame anyone for having a huge response. I myself am surprised at the scale this scandal has taken. What i have an issue with is self-righteous people who go round criticizing Gillian or the other girls for being cheap and b!tchy and all. Hello, they took pics with/for a partner, not a profit-making porn business. So just because their private photos got stolen and leaked out means they're cheap and shameless and totally at fault? If so, courts should really just abandon any criminal case since victims are just asking for it for not being cautious and careful enough. Forget suing a robber since you are to be blamed for not keeping your things properly and allowing yourself to be robbed; you really should have known that a robber might attack u anytime in your life, 24/7. Robbers, fret not, its not really your fault, people should never buy expensive stuff since it only attracts attention and no, its not our fault that people get robbed since its their responsibility to keep their stuff properly.



    Actually no, Cecilia did perform an oral on an unnamed person in one of the pics. And if u read many posts, there are people stating that its not as damaging for Cecilia's career or image since she's always carried a wild image. I could do some searching and quote you the posts if u would like.



    According to your explanation, being snapped without your consent as opposed to being snapped with your consent is the same then, since it exposes the same amount of flesh. Rape victims who have had sex before should just shut up then since its not as if they never had intercourse before. Having sex unwilling does not really serve as a plausible excuse



    And thank you for that try at sarcasm, it was a nice effort



    The very same reason why there are people who think that prostitutes have no right to cry rape, even when their claims are authentic. And the very same reason as to why soldiers are able to slaughter and torture war victims, who are seen as less than human and deserving of maltreatment anyway.



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    hmm i guess i can agree with all ur points exxcept the 1 in bold. i guess i never said it in my post but i of course think w/o consent is much worst than w/ consent. ahh im a bad debater lol, i lost
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuNaR View Post
    hmm i guess i can agree with all ur points exxcept the 1 in bold. i guess i never said it in my post but i of course think w/o consent is much worst than w/ consent. ahh im a bad debater lol, i lost
    Yeah, but debate only works when people are actually receptive to reality vs. "the correct/moral way of thinking".

    Of course, we should feel EQUALLY sorry for prostitutes who provoke people and get raped...compared to innocent 5 year old girls who get raped. No I am not saying all prostitutes provoke people, but this is the "moral and correct way of thinking". We must be equal, oh us mighty moral individuals. Fine, I throw back the lame card...Can you really say you would treat both situations the same way?

    Why do you think Ah Gil got so much hype over the 2006 incident? If it was Cecilia, Shu Qi, or Hyori Lee, would there have been as much hype? She played the innocent/clean image back then, and she's gotta live up to it now. There are no double standards for this type of thing.

    So I find it pointless to "debate" about these type of things. Of course, if we are all gonna be politicians and be 100% morally correct, I totally agree w/ sunnysnow's points. But in reality, are we really that moral? Hmm....

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    Quote Originally Posted by 999roses View Post
    Oh please, don't tell me you think she's not cheap. I can't believe there is actually a dispute over whether she is easy or not, sheesh. Being politically correct is nice and all, but sometimes you just gotta face reality. But sure, continue being stuck in the idealistic/moral world. Too bad for you, the majority of netizens agree with the commonly accepted view. And hence why her career is gonna go into the slumps.
    Sure you know Gillian personally, inside out right? Yeah you must be hellavu smart since u are able go round labeling people as cheap and easy. And no, dont go round proclaiming your opinions as facts and speak for the masses Mr know-it-all.

    Quote Originally Posted by 999roses View Post
    You seem to have issues with the main point here...people are saying she's cheap not because she had sex and her private pics are out, but because she is EASY and sleeps around with a player. Yada yada garbage about not judging people. Yeah, even if I don't, millions of other people will, so tough luck, that's the deal w/ being an idol.
    Wow, you know she's easy just because she slept with Edison and took pics. How very observant!!

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    And when you make comparisons, try to make ones that actually make sense.

    And I'm not even gonna bother being pretentious, because your attempts at sarcasm are really quite..pathetic. The thing I hate the most about people on their high horses are "What if you were in the situation? What would you do?" Well guess what, I'm not, and I won't be, because I'm not that stupid to let some player take pictures of me giving him a blow job. So too bad for you, the "What if" is pointless and useless here.
    Don't blame me or diss hypothetical reasoning just because your level of comprehension is low. My attempts at sarcasm pathetic? I guess yours must be extremely subtle and amazing then? Just like how you think all your opinions and views are correct and hold for the majority!
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    Do some market research. Go look around forums and see what people have to say about Gillian and this incident. Then speak, so you don't look like you're speaking out of god knows where.

    I don't need to know her personally to form an opinion as one of the public about her. Because that's exactly how everyone else is judging her. But of course, highly moral people never would do that, oh no no no...

    And ha, personal attacks on people's comprehension skills are much better than sarcasm, right? Uh huh...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 999roses View Post
    .Can you really say you would treat both situations the same way?
    So I find it pointless to "debate" about these type of things. Of course, if we are all gonna be politicians and be 100% morally correct, I totally agree w/ sunnysnow's points. But in reality, are we really that moral? Hmm....
    Since when did anyone need to be politicians or have an extremely high level of intelligence to debate about morality issues? BTW, many average Joes have more common sense reasoning than some Politicians.

    If you aren't able or dont want to attempt seeing people through untainted lenses, its your own bloody problem. Quit whinning about people being politicians or using logical reasoning.
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    LMAO, where did a high level of intelligence get in here? Did I say that it is a preq to being pretentious? Note the word PRETENTIOUS and not debating about moral issues. Holy, this is so ridiculous.

    And how nice of you to quote me and then ignore my key point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 999roses View Post
    Do some market research. Go look around forums and see what people have to say about Gillian and this incident. Then speak, so you don't look like you're speaking out of god knows where.
    I have been to different forums and observed conflicting views. I suggest you practice what you preach before shooting off uncontrollably.

    Quote Originally Posted by 999roses View Post
    I don't need to know her personally to form an opinion as one of the public about her. Because that's exactly how everyone else is judging her. But of course, highly moral people never would do that, oh no no no...
    Oh, everyone ( u think) judges her as cheap and easy means its the truth huh? Oh well, do so then, by all means

    Quote Originally Posted by 999roses View Post
    And ha, personal attacks on people's comprehension skills are much better than sarcasm, right? Uh huh...
    According to your personal dictionary, calling people pathetic and dumb aren't examples of personal attacks then eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 999roses View Post
    LMAO, where did a high level of intelligence get in here? Did I say that it is a preq to being pretentious? Note the word PRETENTIOUS and not debating about moral issues. Holy, this is so ridiculous.

    And how nice of you to quote me and then ignore my key point.
    I guess all politicians are lacking in intelligence then? Maybe in your society. Of course this is getting ridiculous. People are just making personal attacks and labeling others so and so for their own convenience instead of trying to stay on the issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunnysnow View Post
    I have been to different forums and observed conflicting views. I suggest you practice what you preach before shooting off uncontrollably.



    Oh, everyone ( u think) judges her as cheap and easy means its the truth huh? Oh well, do so then, by all means



    According to your personal dictionary, calling people pathetic and dumb aren't examples of personal attacks then eh?
    Then maybe you should go and reseach on the meaning of majority. If everyone supports her so much, why does her company need to make b.s. reasons to hide her?

    It is called a popular opinion. Did I say it was a fact? Just like you can't accept my opinions, I find yours pretentious.

    And sure, it's a personal attack if we want to call it that, but at least I'm not gonna be pretentious and ride on a high moral horse about it.

    Why am I not surprised about your side of the argument? Hmm...thinks about to Gillian Chung's stance with EEG over the years....yeah, not surprised at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 999roses View Post
    Of course, we should feel EQUALLY sorry for prostitutes who provoke people and get raped...compared to innocent 5 year old girls who get raped. No I am not saying all prostitutes provoke people, but this is the "moral and correct way of thinking". We must be equal, oh us mighty moral individuals. Fine, I throw back the lame card...Can you really say you would treat both situations the same way?
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    Are u trying to say that there is a difference in the way we should treat a rape victim just because of her background? Now this is really getting absurd. I'm really surprised at how some people perceive things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunnysnow View Post
    I guess all politicians are lacking in intelligence then? Maybe in your society. Of course this is getting ridiculous. People are just making personal attacks and labeling others so and so for their own convenience instead of trying to stay on the issue.
    Lady, if you're gonna talk logic, try to quote me properly so you don't look like you're talking out of nowhere. Extremes are not good for debates. Did I say ALL? And actually, Bush is a good example in "my society".

    And, oh YEAH, you've been on topic this whole time, eh?

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    It is all of their fault; Guilian's, Bobo's, Cecilia's, Edison's, and the person who shared those pictures to the rest of the world.

    I do have a bit of sympathy for the 4 celebrities BUT it was them who did do what the photos show, and from the past few newspapers I've read, they show no intention to stop the photo from being taken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunnysnow View Post
    Are u trying to say that there is a difference in the way we should treat a rape victim just because of her background? Now this is really getting absurd. I'm really surprised at how some people perceive things.
    Great, I'll give you 15 minutes to recover from your surprise. How we SHOULD treat and how we ACTUALLY treat are completely different things. People have biases, including judges, jury members, and police. Hence the point I've been making the entire night, but of course, everything is "just off topic and for my own convenience". Sure, whatever floats your boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 999roses View Post
    Then maybe you should go and reseach on the meaning of majority. If everyone supports her so much, why does her company need to make b.s. reasons to hide her?

    It is called a popular opinion. Did I say it was a fact? Just like you can't accept my opinions, I find yours pretentious.

    And sure, it's a personal attack if we want to call it that, but at least I'm not gonna be pretentious and ride on a high moral horse about it.

    Why am I not surprised about your side of the argument? Hmm...thinks about to Gillian Chung's stance with EEG over the years....yeah, not surprised at all.
    Like i said, its your problem if u choose to see Gillian in whatever light you want to. It seems that u are the ones who doesnt understand the meaning of speaking for the masses. Where the heck are your statistics to back up all the so-called "support" for your opinion? And just to be clear, I dont give two shoes about you and your majority argument since more doesnt equal right. Dont try to use that mighty argument to bulldoze your point through.

    Who's riding a moral horse? Dont cry foul just because there are people who disagree with your views. If you think my views are pretentious (oh why am i NOT surprised?? Oh yes, you love to judge people!) by all means think so. I don't need to make people think im holy and moralistic, just like i hope people dont act all moralistic and label others as shameless just because of some pictures. It's interesting to see people scoffing at others for being moralistic while at the same time pointing their fingers at others
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    Quote Originally Posted by 999roses View Post
    Great, I'll give you 15 minutes to recover from your surprise. How we SHOULD treat and how we ACTUALLY treat are completely different things. People have biases, including judges, jury members, and police. Hence the point I've been making the entire night, but of course, everything is "just off topic and for my own convenience". Sure, whatever floats your boat.
    Actually yes I've recovered from my surprise now. I'm actually excited to see a live example pop up from the "blaming the victim" section of my text. My you actually know the difference between "Should" and "actually"? So you're saying you know how you should see a victim but choose not to because that would place you on a "moralistic horse" which isn't in tune with the majority?
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    Pff, give me a break. Did I say more = right? At least I'm not the one stuffing words into people's mouths. When did I say my opinions were "right" (aka morally right)? Public opinion, google polls on what people think in Chinese forums. Majority is a perception anyway, and I don't need to show you anything when I'm not even arguring that the view is right. You want to keep visualizing her as the "poor poor victim" who isn't partially responsible for her demise today, keep doing so. Sure, it's unfortunate, but she could've prevented it BIG TIME.

    I'm not the one crying foul. You're the one who can't accept people who deviate from the high moral road. Don't give me b.s. about how judging people is bad. Like you haven't done so before.

    I am not pointing fingers at her because she is not moral..it is because IN MY OPINION (yes insert the 3 politically correct words), she is damn easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunnysnow View Post
    Actually yes I've recovered from my surprise now. I'm actually excited to see a live example pop up from the "blaming the victim" section of my text. My you actually know the difference between "Should" and "actually"? So you're saying you know how you should see a victim but choose not to because that would place you on a "moralistic horse" which isn't in tune with the majority?
    I think you need to recover longer because you clearly have either:
    1) not read my post (not surprising)
    2) randomly pasted parts of my posts to piece together what you think is an argument
    I'm not even going to begin about the lack of logic of your post, which you seem to rever so much.

    I'm out....You can think that you've "won". Go ahead, because I feel like I'm talking to a wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 999roses View Post
    Did I say more = right? At least I'm not the one stuffing words into people's mouths. When did I say my opinions were "right" (aka morally right)?
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    And honestly, [what more can people say in favor of these EASY girls? I'm sorry, but when you spread eagle like that and take a BUNCH of kinky pictures with a PLAYER, yes..I'm sure that's commonly agreed upon now), you are EASY. No question about it.
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    Oh please, don't tell me you think she's not cheap. I can't believe there is actually a dispute over whether she is easy or not, sheesh.
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    Pose willingly...they're just cheap, easy, and horny starlets who are easily coaxed for a supposedly good looking Edison (pff whatever).
    Sure! Switch your tune now and argue that your views aren't yours but that of the majority. How very convenient, when not a day earlier were you posting comments about how cheap, shameless and easy Gillian is. Or maybe u would want to argue that the person who posted those comments are not by you but your alter ego?

    Quote Originally Posted by 999roses View Post
    You want to keep visualizing her as the "poor poor victim" who isn't partially responsible for her demise today, keep doing so. Sure, it's unfortunate, but she could've prevented it BIG TIME.
    Uh-huh, who is putting words in people's mouths now? Since when did i ever paint her as a poor little victim who has not a single part to play in this entire scandal? If u read my posts, I was always arguing against assigning all blame to her.

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    I'm not the one crying foul. You're the one who can't accept people who deviate from the high moral road. Don't give me b.s. about how judging people is bad. Like you haven't done so before.
    Did i say judging people is bad? Quite the contrary, judging is necessary for everyday life, if not i wont even be here forming a conflicting opinion and debating with you. What I have been expressing all these while (and you, missing all these while) is a disagreement with people assigning all blame on and labeling Gillian as shameless just because of the leaked photographs.

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    I am not pointing fingers at her because she is not moral..it is because IN MY OPINION (yes insert the 3 politically correct words), she is damn easy.
    So calling people easy is not pointing fingers eh? How nice!
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    ^Although, this incident has reduced Gillian's fanbase but there are still a lot of fans supporting her so Gillian may have a chance at surviving this. But the thing is, fans-wise Gillian can recover but will EEG promote her anymore? I don't think so. So most likely, Gillian's career will suffer a fall not because of the lack of support but rather promotions from her company.

    EEG is strict with their artists. They prohibit their artists from dating. A lot of artists that were frozen by EEG all had relationships like Yu Chiu, Deep Ng (his drug case too), Steven Cheung, Grace (a long time ago), Koey Wong, Nicholas Tse who hasn't been that active in music anymore, Isabella, and so forth. As you observe, Twins, Kenny, Yumiko, Mandy, and Don etc. are supposedly single that's why they have more projects and albums. As for Joey, we keep hearing that she has a boyfriend but it's never confirmed; it's probably a cover. So if EEG already doesn't promote dating among their artists, a scandal this huge? It will definitely plunge Gillian empty of her promotions and investments from them.

    As for Gillian being easy? I wouldn't call that being easy either. It's not like Gillian took a naked group photo with Edison in the middle so we can't just assume that Gillian was aware of Edison's other females and knew that he was a player. In order to take such intimate photos and at different times like this, which are private photos, not for show and tell at all, Gillian must have had a lot of trust in Edison. Gillian doesn't monitor Edison's room, she probably wasn't aware that he was sleeping around with other girls too. The latest photo in terms of timeline seemed to have been in late 2005, right before Edison officially came out with Vincy so I'm guessing, when Edison publically admitted that he was with someone, a taken guy, the relationship stopped. I mean, when Edison was so called pursuing Vincy, who knew? Gillian probably didn't know either, being so busy as she is and again, she doesn't have a radar on him. So honestly, these girls may not know that they were being kept like a collection. They individually trust him without the awareness of each other.

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