Jinyong team power

[aniking_8]

Jinyong like to write about by grouping up few weak fighter can create powerful techniques but which is stronger?

7 taoist from Quanzen LOCH
7 taoist from Wudang HSDS
6 peach brothers from SPW
6 fighter of Mongolia HSDS
3 Persian fighters HSDS
6 monks from DGSD
4 evils of DGSD
7 freaks LOCH
3 elder monks in HSDS
2 black and white FFSM
2 Cold Venomous Palm brothers HSDS
others?

[PJ]

7 taoist from Wudang HSDS

With the Zhenwu formation, the 7 Heroes of Wudang would probably be near the power of the combined forces of 6 ROCH Greats + 4 DGSD Elites.

[Felix]

7 taoist from Wudang HSDS

With the Zhenwu formation, the 7 Heroes of Wudang would probably be near the power of the combined forces of 6 ROCH Greats + 4 DGSD Elites.

Just curious, was this said to be the case before 3rd disciple got crippled? If so, had they all been intact and worked on it longer, would they even be better than they are. Or is there a maximum point that this formation can achieve.

[ChronoReverse]

It seems this formation "just works". It also doesn't matter if parts of it are missing. They were so confident in it that they were considering teaching Yin Susu with a crash course.

The power would be reduced but it'd still be very strong unlike the Big Dipper Formation which just collapses.

[Tom]

I doubt the Zhenwu 7 Cut Formation would work on experts of formations like Huang Yaoshi. One flick of his finger and he could immobilize them.

[aniking_8]

I always thought the 3 elders from Shoalin who protect Golden Lion was actually the strongest team. Also shouldn't the 7 Quanzhen be equal to 7 Wudang?

[PJ]

I doubt the Zhenwu 7 Cut Formation would work on experts of formations like Huang Yaoshi. One flick of his finger and he could immobilize them.

Huang Yaoshi couldn't even beat the Quanzhen Big Dipper Formation, which is not even close to the level of the Zhenwu formation.

Also shouldn't the 7 Quanzhen be equal to 7 Wudang?

No, absolutely not.
Zhenwu formation is much, much stronger.

[Ken Cheng]

Huang Yaoshi couldn't even beat the Quanzhen Big Dipper Formation, which is not even close to the level of the Zhenwu formation.



No, absolutely not.
Zhenwu formation is much, much stronger.

But if four of those Cheun Jen Sect Elders could find West Poison Au Yeung Fung and persuade him to team up with them...

[aniking_8]

Wudang 7 formation only good for defense and few opponent but not multiple opponents.

[PJ]

Wudang 7 formation only good for defense and few opponent but not multiple opponents.

What?

They were going to use it against the 3 divine monks of Shaolin.
How is that not multiple opponents?

[aniking_8]

I meant many fighters like over 6-10 maybe b/c there power combine and strike at 1 point. They must split up to fight multiple opponents and it weaken them.

[ChronoReverse]

I don't think so. The formation was explicitly stated to be like 64 people fighting together. No matter how you look at that, it isn't saying it's the same as ONE person who's 64 times as strong as one person.

[AnhHung]

They only wanted to teach YSS the formation so she could represent 3rd hero name. Not because they needed a seventh fighter, but because they wanted the name Wudan 7 heroes to become known again. They were conifident to win even without her and ZCS' 10 years lack of training. So in a sense, with only 5 fighters, they would have won the fight easily.

Besides, they never taught the whole formation i details to YSS, but just the footwork so she wont be in the way.

They were even sure that with the formation could hold against the entire wulin present at Wudan that day.

[Ken Cheng]

They only wanted to teach YSS the formation so she could represent 3rd hero name. Not because they needed a seventh fighter, but because they wanted the name Wudan 7 heroes to become known again. They were conifident to win even without her and ZCS' 10 years lack of training. So in a sense, with only 5 fighters, they would have won the fight easily.

It looked to me that with only six members, they were barely able to match the three Hung-generation monks. To win, they would have needed to be at full strength.

[ChronoReverse]

How do you know that? This was one formation that wasn't ever tested although with the Wudang heroes' confidence in it and the fact it was created by ZSF, it seems likely to work.

[Ren Wo Xing]

It looked to me that with only six members, they were barely able to match the three Hung-generation monks. To win, they would have needed to be at full strength.

What the others said about the efficacy and power of the ZhenWu formation, as described in the book, is correct; Wudang had no fear of the three monks. It was stated in the translation. Sounds like what you described is something out of the TVB?

[Ken Cheng]

What the others said about the efficacy and power of the ZhenWu formation, as described in the book, is correct; Wudang had no fear of the three monks. It was stated in the translation. Sounds like what you described is something out of the TVB?

In HSDS '86, the six Mo Dong Heroes took on the three monks, and the result was a draw, with a very slight perceptive advantage going to the Shaolin monks. The implication seemed to be that the Mo Dong Heroes would not be able to defeat the three monks without their full lineup.

[Ren Wo Xing]

TVB nonsense.

[PJ]

Yep, TVB divergence.

In the novel, it was stated that the 7-men Zhenwu formation would yield the power of 64 Wudang Heroes.

[MisterM]

What the others said about the efficacy and power of the ZhenWu formation, as described in the book, is correct; Wudang had no fear of the three monks. It was stated in the translation. Sounds like what you described is something out of the TVB?

At least in the 2nd edition of HSDS Wudang not only offered to fight the 3 Divine Reverends of Shaolin using their formation, Wudang even offered to fight as many as 12 Shaolin monks using the Zhenwu formation and would have ended up fighting 7 Shaolin monks.

Eventhough the remaining Shaolin monks were likely a lot weaker than the 3 Divine Reverends that still takes a huge amount of confidence, especially considering that the 2nd Hero of Wudang was still injured from exchanging a palm with a Xuan Ming Elder, the 5th Hero ZCS had fallen behind in martial arts after slacking off for 10 years and YSS was quite possibly weaker than some of the younger Shaolin monks and didn't even know the formation.

It's too bad that fight never happened, I really would have liked to "see" it.