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    During the CONDOR HEROES TRILOGY, the 9 Yum Jen Ging and the 9 Yeung Jen Ging were regarded as the supreme martial arts systems of their era. The Greats and others all coveted the 9 Yum Jen Ging at one point or another, and the 9 Yeung Jen Ging, even in fragments, became the foundations of the Mo Dong Sect and the Ngor Mei Sect's martial arts.

    The Siu Yiu Sect Elders of DGSD, however, practiced advanced martial arts of an entirely different level. Were the Siu Yiu Sect Elders given the opportunity to peruse the 9 Yum Jen Ging and the 9 Yeung Jen Ging, would they have admired these as inventive and highly effective martial arts systems, or would they have ridiculed these "amateurish" and "weak" systems as being inferior to their own training methods?

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    I think the Xiaoyao Sect arts are probably just one calibre above 9Yin and 9Yang. Why? 9Yin and 9Yang might be powerful energy cultivation tools but when compared to the energy-sucking BMSG, TSTL's Eternal Youth Gong, LBWB, and other arts of XY Sect, it just pale in comparison.

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    Did 9 yin existed in DGSD because is a lot earlier then LOCH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aniking_8 View Post
    Did 9 yin existed in DGSD because is a lot earlier then LOCH.
    No, we're talking about a hypothetical situation.

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    They would probably think that both 9 ying/yang were really powerful martial art manuals both won't bother to practice it since they already had superior skills available.

    Maybe they could have gain something only if they learned both 9 ying/yang otherwise they won't gain much from it

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    OK, let's try to compare apples with apples.

    9 Yin and 9 Yang were mostly internal cultivation methods. 9 Yin has some coverage of external techniques, but it's still primarily internal. So how does 9 Yin and 9 Yang compare to the Xiaoyao Sect internal cultivation systems?

    Well, Zhang Wuji at age 25 (?) has reached Great-level with 9 Yang (with help from the Qiankun bag)... can he do that with any Xiaoyao Sect internal power?

    Guo Jing was a more "normal" case. He reached ROCH Great-level at age 50-ish, some even think he's more sophisticated than the other Greats. If he were to practice 9 Yin for another 30 years, certainly his power would double. Are the Xiaoyao Pai elders twice as powerful as Guo Jing? Hard to say, but I personally would NOT put them more than 2x Guo Jing.

    Therefore, I don't really think 9 Yin or 9 Yang is inferior to the internal cultivation systems of Xiaoyao Sect. They did have some extremely slick tricks such as the Life-Death Talisman, Beiming Shengong, and Treading Waves Light Steps, but other than those, their fundamental internal methods are not necessarily better than 9 Yin/9 Yang. In fact, 9 Yin/9 Yang are more orthodox and thus safer to practice. Why practice fire deviation-inducing Xiaoyao Pai arts when you can attain similar results with pure orthodox Taoist 9 Yin/9 Yang?
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    How come Guo Jing reached the the Great Level at 50ies.
    I don't understand this logic.

    Beginning of the ROCH there is fundamental fight between Guo Jing and Ouyang Feng.

    Huang Rong and Guo Jing admitted that even though Ouyang's a mental disorder his Fung fu isn't hindered, became more powerfull.

    Huang Rong didn't fight because she wanted to her husband win himself.

    So it was somehow, one-to-one Great Level fight, where both sides injured and resulted to be a draw, proving Guo Jing's Great Hood.

    He caught up with the Former Greats. At that time Yang Guo was around 12 or 13.
    It was ten years later the ending of LOCH. Guo Jing was around 40.
    So my conculsion would be that he reached the Great level in his thirties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by odbayarb2000 View Post
    How come Guo Jing reached the the Great Level at 50ies.
    I don't understand this logic.

    Beginning of the ROCH there is fundamental fight between Guo Jing and Ouyang Feng.

    Huang Rong and Guo Jing admitted that even though Ouyang's a mental disorder his Fung fu isn't hindered, became more powerfull.

    Huang Rong didn't fight because she wanted to her husband win himself.

    So it was somehow, one-to-one Great Level fight, where both sides injured and resulted to be a draw, proving Guo Jing's Great Hood.

    He caught up with the Former Greats. At that time Yang Guo was around 12 or 13.
    It was ten years later the ending of LOCH. Guo Jing was around 40.
    So my conculsion would be that he reached the Great level in his thirties.
    He reached LOCH Greats level by 30s.
    He didn't achieve ROCH Greats level until later.
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    Actually, in that exchange of palms, Guo Jing suffered less 'damage' than Ouyang Feng did, although how much of the damage OYF suffered was 'amplified' by his messed up meridians is difficult to say. So arguably, by 30 he had already surpassed the Greats of that time (early ROCH). From ROCH on, he should be consistently growing stronger and stronger than the Greats of each respective time, with the difference being greater, the 'later on' in the story it was.
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    Actually, in that exchange of palms, Guo Jing suffered less 'damage' than Ouyang Feng did, although how much of the damage OYF suffered was 'amplified' by his messed up meridians is difficult to say. So arguably, by 30 he had already surpassed the Greats of that time (early ROCH). From ROCH on, he should be consistently growing stronger and stronger than the Greats of each respective time, with the difference being greater, the 'later on' in the story it was.
    I agree 100%

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    Wasn't DGSD people interest in Shoalin Yick Gun Ging, something similar to Ren Woxing, and 6MSG.

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    Actually, in that exchange of palms, Guo Jing suffered less 'damage' than Ouyang Feng
    IIRC it was stated that GJ recovered faster because he had more abundant inner power(partly because of 9yin and his age), not because he was hurt less than OYF. The GJ at the this time was said to be roughly = GWM, who was stated to be roughly = OYF,H7G. So they should be pretty much even at the begining of ROCH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aniking_8 View Post
    Wasn't DGSD people interest in Shoalin Yick Gun Ging, something similar to Ren Woxing, and 6MSG.
    Opps, Ren Woxing is not a kung fu art.

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    Yea i personally dun think theres too much of a difference in the cultivation of internal energy using Beiming or 9Yang/Yin. However the external stance of Xiaoyao is definitely stronger IMO. Another thing might be that the Elders truly wanna break away from orthodoxy to pursue XiaoYao, thus rather learn their pro stuff than 9Yang/Yin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PJ View Post
    OK, let's try to compare apples with apples.

    9 Yin and 9 Yang were mostly internal cultivation methods. 9 Yin has some coverage of external techniques, but it's still primarily internal.
    Is that really true of 9yin? It seemed to have covered all types of external martial arts also, such as fist, claw, weaponry,etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by shortsight View Post
    Opps, Ren Woxing is not a kung fu art.
    I meant Duan Yu know some skills similar to Ren Woxing's start leeching skill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aniking_8 View Post
    Wasn't DGSD people interest in Shoalin Yick Gun Ging, something similar to Ren Woxing, and 6MSG.
    People in DGSD were not interested in a leeching skill. In fact, they feared and despised leeching skills.

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    9yin was created about 70yrs after ther end of DGSD(timeline). XYP skills did not make a appearance after dgsd. but XYP skills came from taoist idea's and several prominent taoist sects and skills were created after that period, like quezhen and wudang. XYP skills might have been watered down and passed down through less famous sects and clans.

    RWX's XXDF was created from the parts of BMSG that DY wrote down. DY learned the basics of BMSG and learned to absorb energy and store it to the two main ren and du channels. he did not practise the other six channels but 6MDS he learned used the same channels he did not learn from BMSG manual. so DY learned to link up the two skills and absorb to the ren and du channels and stored and used the energy to power up 6MDS through the other channels. but when writing down BMSG, he couldn't put down the instructions for 6MDS with it. against family rules. so XXDF was created with the BIT of BMSG as the basic and other methods created to store and use the energy. when RWX came up with a method to combine the energy he absorb, he did it exclusively through the ren and du channels as DY had wrote down. (shows how some of XYP skills were passed down)

    it's possible WCY might have learned some skills from XYP since his skills seem to be taoist but not linked to any other taoist sect. quezhen skills were supposed to be unique as all the moves were based on inner power, similar to XYP skills.
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