Xiao Feng's 15 zhang LDA

[PJ]

It wasn't really a 15-zhang LDA, but it's just easier to say that then to balb out the entire sequence of events starting at 15 zhang away and ending 3 zhang away.

Anyway, CC once said that it was a bad idea to launch such an assault because what if Ding Chunqiu used Ah Zi to block? Then Ah Zi would be dead.

But after some thinking, I think it would've been extremely unlike for Ding Chunqiu to exercise such a defense. Because Xiao Feng's palm attack was so unblockable, if Ding used Ah Zi to block, both he and Ah Zi would have perished. Since Ding doesn't want to die yet, it would've been better for him to leap back.

Of course, he could have leaped back with Ah Zi and THEN throw her to the front. But by then, most of the energies would have been dispersed by the air already, so no harm could then be dealt on her.

So given the circumstances and the possible outcomes, I think it was a relatively safe decision to fire such an aggressive assault.

[CC]

I disagree 100%.

If DCQ was standing at Point A. He can leap back 30 feet while throwing Ah Zi forward as a shield. Thus Ah Zi can be positioned anywhere from point A to a couple zhang ahead of Point A (in the direction of XF).

It should have been an effective shield. I don't think there has ever been an instance in JY where a LDA punched through a human body to get another victim behind it. Even if it could, it would lessen the impact.

Another stupid thing. DCQ had the time to chuck Ah Zi into the air while leaping! (XF leapt up to catch her). Why not just chuck her towards the big incoming wall?

[Tom]

I don't think there has ever been an instance in JY where a LDA punched through a human body to get another victim behind it.

Yes, there was. In Chapter 6 of XAJH, I believe, Fei Bin's palm hit Qu Yang's back and hurt Liu Zhengfeng as well. I think it busted their heart arteries.

[PJ]

I disagree 100%.

If DCQ was standing at Point A. He can leap back 30 feet while throwing Ah Zi forward as a shield. Thus Ah Zi can be positioned anywhere from point A to a couple zhang ahead of Point A (in the direction of XF).

If he threw Ah Zi forward, she might be bounced back by the strong palm wind and hit him.
And if he did that, there's no way Xiao Feng would let him live.
In fact, I think Ding was too shitlessly scared to do anything to offend Xiao Feng,
thus letting Ah Zi go to safety.

[CC]

If he threw Ah Zi forward, she might be bounced back by the strong palm wind and hit him.
And if he did that, there's no way Xiao Feng would let him live.
In fact, I think Ding was too shitlessly scared to do anything to offend Xiao Feng,
thus letting Ah Zi go to safety.

From DCQ's point of view yes, it made sense not to make XF mad.

From XF's point of view, it was rather reckless unless he had some way to stop the attack if Ah Zi was thrown forward. XF had never met DCQ before and would not really know how skilled DCQ was. IF DCQ had either thrown Ah Zi as a shield or stood frozen in terror or reacted too slow to the incredibly fast attack, Ah Zi would be paste.

One way to rationalise it was that XF was prepared to chuck another palm to deflect the palm wave sideways if Ah Zi was in the way (but that is stretching it since he had already chucked the 3rd palm). Maybe thats why the TV adaptation showed it as a cheap CG dragon image which snaked around Ah Zi.

[PJ]

From XF's point of view, it was rather reckless unless he had some way to stop the attack if Ah Zi was thrown forward. XF had never met DCQ before and would not really know how skilled DCQ was. IF DCQ had either thrown Ah Zi as a shield or stood frozen in terror or reacted too slow to the incredibly fast attack, Ah Zi would be paste.

True, Xiao Feng hasn't met Ding Chunqiu before.
But he did meet and fight several of Ding's disciples,
who sucked. So he probably could form an estimate of Ding's level.
Also, maybe he previously got some info from Ah Zi about her master's level "off screen".

Don't forget that Xiao Feng knows Dragon-Capturing Hands.
If this technique can pull an object, maybe it can pull back LDA as well.

[CC]

True, Xiao Feng hasn't met Ding Chunqiu before.
But he did meet and fight several of Ding's disciples,
who sucked. So he probably could form an estimate of Ding's level.
Also, maybe he previously got some info from Ah Zi about her master's level "off screen".

Don't forget that Xiao Feng knows Dragon-Capturing Hands.
If this technique can pull an object, maybe it can pull back LDA as well.

Well, the level of one's disciples won't tell much. If XF met TSTL's 4 sword maids or the Wu brothers and Guo Fu, he wouldn't know how skilled their masters would be.

And if Zhang Cuishan can get his master's skill level wrong, I'd bet Ah Zi wouldn't be worth relying on either.

[Ren Wo Xing]

Keep in mind that Xiao Feng was able to completely redirect the force of the melded palm energies of himself AND Ding Chunqiu to attack Murong Fu.

If he was able to redirect that, he would arguably have been able to redirect his own palm energies, even if they were in-triplicate.

RE CC: Experts can tell the quality of the master from the student, actually. The best example would be from ROCH, where BOTH HQG and OYF could tell from the six Tibetan clowns that their master/grandmaster (JLGS) was an incredible martial artist, even though individually their level was actually beneath that of Yang Guo, to the point where Yang Guo thought there was nothing particularly remarkable about their skills.

[aniking_8]

Is Northen Beggar Dragon Subducing palm weaker then Xiao Feng?

[odbayarb2000]

Is Northen Beggar Dragon Subducing palm weaker then Xiao Feng?

We have scare evidence to compare their palm powers.

Northern Beggar hardly used his palm powers against weaker opponents. He used it against Ouyang Feng several times, but it roughly matched with Ouyang's toad stances and couldn't really show it's power.

Whereas Xiao Feng fought several times against weaker opponents and literally owned them. Some may mistook it that Xiao Feng is stronger.

[kyss of the sword]

xf did not blast a 15zhang LDA but incorparated the idea behind the 'three wwaves of the yangtze river' move where three moves are made in succession with each subsequent move adding to the power of the eariler move. the 'three waves of the yangtze' was used by one of the three seniors at Ju Xian Manor where the kill XF meet took place.

[CC]

xf did not blast a 15zhang LDA but incorparated the idea behind the 'three wwaves of the yangtze river' move where three moves are made in succession with each subsequent move adding to the power of the eariler move. the 'three waves of the yangtze' was used by one of the three seniors at Ju Xian Manor where the kill XF meet took place.

I doubt that XF learnt that idea only after the Ju Xian encounter. The fact that he could name the move at Ju Xian means he was aware of the theory at least and if he was aware of the theory, Mr 'Once Learnt Immediately Mastered' should have been able to use it long ago.