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    Post Book of Weapons compilation specially for Jin Yong's Condor Trilogy

    In GL's Sentimental Swordsman Ruthless Sword, there is the existance of a Book of Weapons (兵器普), which details the top 10 fighters and ranking them. Now, if we move it to JY's Condor Trilogy, a Book of Weapons created specially for the Condor Trilogy plethora of people, how would you rank them?

    Note: Dugu Qiubai and Huang Shang are not included, because they are rather far away from the start of the 1st Huashan Tornament.

    Here's Mine:
    1. Zhang Sanfeng
    2. Wang Chongyang
    3. Zhou Botong
    4. Guo Jing
    5. Zhang Wuji
    6. Yang Guo
    7. Ouyang Feng
    8. Yideng
    9. Huang Yaoshi
    10. Hong Qigong

    The problem is, the gap between of them is so small, but hey that's the real fun of this ranking.
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    I think WCY is a bit too high on that. Especially if the ranking is the character's final level.

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    Agree with flamer. WCY is to far up the list.

    My ranking:
    1. Zhang Sanfeng
    2. Guo Jing
    3. Zhang Wuji
    4. Yang Guo
    5. Zhou Botong
    6. Ouyang Feng
    7. Huang Yaoshi
    8. Hong Qigong
    9. Yideng
    10. Wang Chongyang
    You do know that it is just fiction, dont you?

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    1.Zhang Sang Feng
    2.Zhang Wuji
    3.Yang Guo
    4.Guo Jing
    5.Zhou Botong
    6.Ouyang Feng
    7.Hong Qigong
    8.Huang Yaoshi
    9.Yideng
    10.Wang Chongyang

    I am really not sure. It's hard to say,
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    Haha i just realised, you guys forgot a pro figure...

    Golden Wheel Monk. He should be above Ouyang, Huang, Hong, Yideng and be equal or > Zhou Botong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamer View Post
    Haha i just realised, you guys forgot a pro figure...

    Golden Wheel Monk. He should be above Ouyang, Huang, Hong, Yideng and be equal or > Zhou Botong.
    He he. I have to kick WCY out of the list then. He should be between ZBT and OYF.
    You do know that it is just fiction, dont you?

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    1. YG
    2. GJ
    3. Z3F
    4. GWM
    5. ZBT
    6 ZWJ
    7. 1 Deng
    8. HYS
    9 OYF
    10. H7G

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnhHung View Post
    He he. I have to kick WCY out of the list then. He should be between ZBT and OYF.
    Dennis is going to come and kick your arse for that soon.

    Anyway, if this is the book of weapons ala Gu Long, you need to put the weapons in.


    e.g.

    Zhenwu Jian : Z3F
    Jade Flute : HYS
    Compound Bow? : Guo Jing
    HIS : YG etc etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamer View Post
    Haha i just realised, you guys forgot a pro figure...

    Golden Wheel Monk. He should be above Ouyang, Huang, Hong, Yideng and be equal or > Zhou Botong.
    Haha, we really did forget about Golden Wheel Monk.
    ..ext88

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    Quote Originally Posted by CC View Post
    Anyway, if this is the book of weapons ala Gu Long, you need to put the weapons in.


    e.g.

    Zhenwu Jian : Z3F
    Jade Flute : HYS
    Compound Bow? : Guo Jing
    HIS : YG etc etc
    The problem is - probably only HYS, GWM and YG will bother to use their weapons in any fierce combats.
    ..ext88

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    So it shouldn't be called the Book of Weapons.

    It should be called YPOOHTGSBR: Your Personal Opinion On How The Greats Should Be Ranked
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    Quote Originally Posted by PJ View Post
    So it shouldn't be called the Book of Weapons.

    It should be called YPOOHTGSBR: Your Personal Opinion On How The Greats Should Be Ranked
    Haha, it really indeed is "Your Personal Opinion On How The Greats Should Be Ranked."
    ..ext88

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    Why can't we keep it as a "Book of Weapons"?

    I don't feel I can rank them, but they are, or were, all weapon users:

    Zhang Sanfeng - Taiji sword, Yitian Tulong gong, and many others

    Wang Chongyang - Quanzhen swordplay
    Zhou Botong - same as WCY

    Guo Jing - Jade Maiden swordplay and the defensive swordplay he came up with sparring with OYF

    Zhang Wuji - Taiji sword

    Yang Guo - Heavy Iron sword, Quanzhen swordplay

    Golden Wheel Monk - bladed wheels

    Ouyang Feng - Snake staff

    Yideng - hmmm, difficult - Duan family sword techniques?

    Huang Yaoshi - quite numerous - jade flute sword, Luo Ying shen jian, mighty snap(?)

    Hong Qigong - Dog Beating stick

    Gongsun Zhi - Yin-Yang blades

    Xiao Long Nu - Left/Right technique Quanzhen/Jade Maiden swordplay combo
    Last edited by CFT; 03-26-08 at 01:17 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CFT View Post
    Wang Chongyang - Quanzhen swordplay
    Zhou Botong - same as WCY
    Have they been known to use it before?

    Huang Yaoshi - quite numerous - jade flute sword, Luo Ying shen jian, mighty snap(?)
    Did he actually have a swordplay technique called Luoying Shenjian?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnhHung View Post
    He he. I have to kick WCY out of the list then. He should be between ZBT and OYF.
    Beware my righteous fury of a thousand burning suns!

    Oh, and...

    1. Wang Chongyang
    2. Guo Jing
    3. Zhang Wuji
    4. Yang Guo
    5. Zhou Botong
    6. Yideng
    7. Hong Qigong
    8. Ouyang Feng
    9. Huang Yaoshi
    10. Zhang Sanfeng

    Zhou Botong was recognized by the surviving Greats as the best at the end of LOCH. Duan Zhixing was recongnized as second only to WCY at one point; I don't see that changing especially after he learned Xiang Tian Gong. Hong Qigong would have beaten Ouyang Feng with Dog Beating Stick in a fight. Everyone always ranks Huang Yaoshi so high. Whom did he actually beat to warrant such a high ranking? We also never actually see Zhang Sanfeng fight and there didn't exist anyone (except ZWJ) that was his level in HSDS to fight; though his martial arts creation was top notch.

    Of the list, only Wang Chongyang has been acknowledged as undefeated under heaven.
    Last edited by Dennis Chen; 03-26-08 at 02:12 PM.

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    If we are to call this the "Book Of Weapons" then the people on the list should be weapon users. People like Guo Jing, Zhou Butong, etc. who don't use weapons shouldn't be included on this list. Anyways, here's my ranking:

    1) Yang Guo - Heavy Iron Sword
    2) Zhang Sanfeng - Tai Chi Sword
    3) Wang Chongyang - Sword?
    4) Lin Chaoying - Sword?
    5) Jinlun Fawang - Golden Wheels
    6) Ouyang Feng - Poisonous Staff
    7) Xiao Long Nu - Sword
    8) Li Mochou - Poisonous Needles

    Damn! I can't think of anyone else off the top of my head...maybe I'll come back later to edit. Anyhow, these people on my list are not the best. The REAL number one in JY universe is:

    SWEEPER MONK - Book

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    Duan Zheng Chun used Yi Yang Zhi through his crutches. No reason Duan Zhixing couldn't have used his Yi Yang Zhi through a sword.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Chen View Post
    Duan Zheng Chun used Yi Yang Zhi through his crutches. No reason Duan Zhixing couldn't have used his Yi Yang Zhi through a sword.
    But he never did though. So there's no real reason to put him in the Book Of WEAPONS.

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    When did everyone here become ZSF fans?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shenlong View Post
    When did everyone here become ZSF fans?
    Over night.
    "Big Hero Linghu kills frogs with the Dugu Nine Swords!”


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