Do you think OYF could have won Huashan if

[Wellesley]

Do you believe Ouyang Feng could have won the 2nd Huashan tournament if he had stumbled upon QKDNY or Taiji Fist instead of a corrupted 9 Yin?

Both QKDNY and Taiji are external arts. It was also the weirdness of OYF's external arts after he studied the corrupted 9 Yin that allowed him to win. I believe QKDNY should be a superior substitute to crazy 9 Yin.

Another reason that allowed OYF to win was because his pressure points changed places so he could take additional hits without losing. But one can argue that he only took those extra hits due to his crazed mental state and negligence of defense, by studying QKDNY he would still retain his sanity as well as drastically improve his martial arts.

The poll asks for QKDNY, but feel free to post your comments regarding Taiji too. Can Taiji Sword wielded by OYF defeat Dog Beating Stick? I think it might end in a draw, it would still take a long time for Ouyang to figure out the counters, but Taiji Sword, being a more defensive martial art should allow him to survive at least.

I think Taiji Fist will make him fight to a draw, to me it seems like Taiji can defeat weaker opponents in a spectacular fashion but it's much harder to use the force of someone of your inner power and experience against himself.

[PJ]

You said Qiankun Danuoyi is entirely external. Is that the case? Doesn't it have its own internal energy cultivation system?

Taiji doesn't suit Ouyang Feng. I think Ouyang Feng is more aggressive than that. Taiji would suit someone like Wang Chongyang or Yideng better.

Ouyang Feng with Qiankun Danuoyi would be interesting. However I do not think it will work very well against an equal calibre opponent. That is to say, I don't think it will give him an advantage over the reverse 9 Yin.

[Wu Wudi]

I think there's a good chance QKDNY could have helped OYF win although I don't know if it's more useful than the fake 9YIN. Anytime, two opponents are evenly matched, a high level art could help tip the balance. ZBT, for example was a little short of HYS's level until he figured out that his left/right skills could be used in a fight.

[Dennis Chen]

Taiji Quan would suit Wang Chongyang to a tee.

Would Taiji Quan suit Yi Deng? The principles seem different. Taiji Quan seems based upon simplicity while Yi Yang Zhi's moves were quite complex.

[minutemanwayne]

Would QKDNY benefit any of the Greats if they learned it? From what I've seen it's simply just a manual that helps you utilize your internal energy efficiently and lets you seek out the weaknesses in other martial arts. The Greats were all elites who can control their internal energy expertly.

[Wu Wudi]

Would QKDNY benefit any of the Greats if they learned it? From what I've seen it's simply just a manual that helps you utilize your internal energy efficiently and lets you seek out the weaknesses in other martial arts. The Greats were all elites who can control their internal energy expertly.

QKDNY is terrific for defense. For example, a Great could use QKDNY to defuse XL18Z instead of meeting it head on. A Great w/QKDNY could save a lot of his stamina and thus have a significant edge over an opponent who is nearly as powerful.

[Dennis Chen]

QKDNY is terrific for defense. For example, a Great could use QKDNY to defuse XL18Z instead of meeting it head on. A Great w/QKDNY could save a lot of his stamina and thus have a significant edge over an opponent who is nearly as powerful.

Wouldn't a person have to have greater internal energy than the person they're using QKDNY against?

[Wu Wudi]

Wouldn't a person have to have greater internal energy than the person they're using QKDNY against?

I don't think so. Althought QKDNY probably wouldn't be useful against opponents with much more internal power, it seems to work well against opponents that are about as strong. For example, see Yeung Siu against the only high ranking Ming cultists or ZWJ vs the 3 Du monks.

[Dennis Chen]

I don't think so. Althought QKDNY probably wouldn't be useful against opponents with much more internal power, it seems to work well against opponents that are about as strong. For example, see Yeung Siu against the only high ranking Ming cultists or ZWJ vs the 3 Du monks.

Yang Xiao was noted as being a bit better than the high ranking Ming cultists (except perhaps, Yin Ye Wang, his equal). ZWJ also had higher internal power than the 3 Du Monks combined.

[kyss of the sword]

QKDNY is a skill that uses inner power techniques to turn the opponents power against them self. taiji quan and jianfa use softness to overcome the opponent, similar to quezhen skills but even more soft. 9yin has soft techniques as well but not to the extent of taiji quan. real 9yin is superior to the altered 9yin but the final level in sanskrit was deemed equal to the altered 9yin part. because of this, HQG and OYF were equal during roch. OYF won not just because his skills were wierd but becuase he had even more strange and brillient variations to his moves then he had months before.

[Wu Wudi]

Yang Xiao was noted as being a bit better than the high ranking Ming cultists (except perhaps, Yin Ye Wang, his equal). ZWJ also had higher internal power than the 3 Du Monks combined.

Yeah, but both YX and ZWJ had to fight against the combined strength of their opponents which were rougly equivalent to their own.

[flamer]

Sigh i voted before i read the first post. I thought the poll meant OYF with Reverse 9 Yin AND QKDNY lol...

[Dennis Chen]

Yeah, but both YX and ZWJ had to fight against the combined strength of their opponents which were rougly equivalent to their own.

I'm going to have to go back and read the passage, however, when ZWJ was competing internal energy with the 3 monks, he could have used his superior internal energy to forcibly overcome them. But that would have caused them severe internal injuries, so he opted to withdraw slowly and the Du monks followed. Afterwards, the 3 of them complimented ZWJ on his greater internal energy. ZWJ's internal was quite a bit better than the 3 Du monk's.