SWORD GOD Zhuo Bufan introductions for Jin Yong characters

[PJ]

SWORD GOD Zhuo Bufan was introduced as a much-feared, earth-shattering figure of unparalleled epic proportions. His reputation was smeared when his sword failed to pierce through Xuzhu's skin.

In this topic, YOU introduce another character this way. It should be an existing character from Jin Yong's novel. The key is to write something such that it make him look like The God of ___, The ___ of God, ___ GOD ***

[Tom]

I'll write mine first. I pick: The God Of DEADLY PALMS, The DEADLY PALMS Of God, DEADLY PALMS GOD Fei Bin!

Fei Bin is introduced as the junior apprentice brother of Zuo Lengcheng who disrupted Liu Zhengfeng's hand-washing ceremony. He later on even KILLED both Qu Yang and Liu Zhengfeng with ONE palm strike. Darn impressive if you ask me. But he later got killed by Mo Da. Despite his clumsy death, this guy is FRIGGIN' impressive to be able to kill two well-known masters.

[Ren Wo Xing]

Fei Bin never killed Qu Yang or Liu Zhengfeng....in fact, he never even touched them. It was Ding Mian and Lu Bai who struck them.

Overall, Fei Bin was a pretty pathetic figure. First he was tricked and captured by Liu Zhengfeng at the Golden Basin ceremony, then he was tricked and killed by Mo Da. The only person he was able to kill was Qu Feifei, Qu Yang's granddaughter. Pathetic little fellow!

[Tom]

Fei Bin never killed Qu Yang or Liu Zhengfeng....in fact, he never even touched them. It was Ding Mian and Lu Bai who struck them.

Overall, Fei Bin was a pretty pathetic figure. First he was tricked and captured by Liu Zhengfeng at the Golden Basin ceremony, then he was tricked and killed by Mo Da. The only person he was able to kill was Qu Feifei, Qu Yang's granddaughter. Pathetic little fellow!

Oh shoot! Thanks for correcting me. Ren Wo Xing is right, it was Ding Mian and Lu Bai who struck Qu Yang.

[Ken Cheng]

SWORD GOD Zhuo Bufan was introduced as a much-feared, earth-shattering figure of unparalleled epic proportions.

Actually, he wasn't...but during the past two years, you and CC gave him the greatest PR-image makeover since...well, actually, it's quite unprecedented.

Hillary Clinton ought to consider hiring you guys if she wants a chance to get back into the presidential race.

[PJ]

Actually, he wasn't...

Actually, he really was. You ought to read his official introductions from the novel.
In fact, here they are, translated pretty much verbatim.

FYI, interested tryers should model their SWORD GOD Zhuo Bufan introductions after the following descriptions.

Excerpt #1 -- Single-Stance Execution of an Island Leader
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SUDDENLY a long and miserable shriek from behind the mountain entered the ears of every expert. Startled, the experts heard the whirling of wind accompany a round object charging at them from the air beyond the mountains. Senior Boss Wu intercepted the object; it was none other than the head of a person. Senior Boss Wu recognized the face under the mush of blood, and it was the face of Island Leader Qu who had tried to escape. "Island Leader Qu..." Boss Wu called out in a trembling voice. He could not grasp why Island Leader Qu would have suffered a death blow so quickly. This lightning fast execution evoked a frightening thought in Brother Wu: "Unless.... unless the Child Mistress of Heavenly Mountain Tianshan Tonglao has arrived?" At this time, Taoist Buping laughed aloud: "The God of Sword, The Sword of God, SWORD GOD really lives up to his mighty reputation."

Excerpt #2 -- Official Entrance
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Suddenly with a flash of cold air, a long sword had made its way on top of Xuzhu's head with the sharp edges extended vertically. If the Big Monster of Pearl Cliff had continued to strike with his hand, it would have perished before the sharp blade prior to being able to reach the scalp. In this moment of shock, the Big Monster of Pearl Cliff retreated his hand barely in time; and since he did so in a hurry he was thrown back 3 steps ... He felt a subtle pain on his left palm. It was then that he noticed an ultra thin straight line of wound, inflicted by the sword, bleeding on his palm. Startled and Frightened at the same time, he knew that if he had retrieved his palm by half a second late, this hand would have been disposed of. He looked on angrily at the man who extended the sword. This man was wearing a green robe; he was around 50 years of age with long beards floating and a delicate face. The Big Monster knew that this man was none other than SWORD GOD Zuo. . . I mean Zhuo Bufan. Judging from the accuracy and speed of his sword positioning, there is no doubt that this man's sword skills have attained the level of perfection. The Big Monster further remembered how this SWORD GOD had previously slaughtered the Island Leader Qu in a flash. Even with his infamous lousy temper, the Big Monster dared not show disrespect to such a mighty opponent. He said: "May I ask what was your raison d'être for stopping me?"

[PJ]

Fei Bin never killed Qu Yang or Liu Zhengfeng....in fact, he never even touched them. It was Ding Mian and Lu Bai who struck them.

Overall, Fei Bin was a pretty pathetic figure. First he was tricked and captured by Liu Zhengfeng at the Golden Basin ceremony, then he was tricked and killed by Mo Da. The only person he was able to kill was Qu Feifei, Qu Yang's granddaughter. Pathetic little fellow!

Perfect reason to glorify GREAT SONGYANG PALM Fei Bin, SWORD GOD Zhuo Bufan introduction style.

[Wu Wudi]

Actually, he really was. You ought to read his official introductions from the novel.
In fact, here they are, translated pretty much verbatim.

Honestly, it just seemed like two relatively weak characters were impressed by somone who's a bit more powerful. IIRC, even WYY didn't have an especially high opinion of ZBF.

[PJ]

Honestly, it just seemed like two relatively weak characters were impressed by somone who's a bit more powerful. IIRC, even WYY didn't have an especially high opinion of ZBF.

Let's not try to complicate things in this topic, OK?
And for the record, Big Boss Wu is only slightly weaker than Murong Fu.
He compared SWORD GOD Zhuo Bufan's single-stance execution to Tianshan Tonglao.

[Ken Cheng]

He compared SWORD GOD Zhuo Bufan's single-stance execution to Tianshan Tonglao.

This could be one of those moments like when Cheung Chui San judged Tse Tsun's martial arts to be in the neighborhood of Cheung 3 Fung's.

[PJ]

This could be one of those moments like when Cheung Chui San judged Tse Tsun's martial arts to be in the neighborhood of Cheung 3 Fung's.

For Big Boss Wu to evoke such a feeling, it means that SWORD GOD is much better than Big Boss Wu, in the same vein that Xie Xun is much better than Zhang Cuishan. And Big Boss Wu is only slightly weaker than Murong Fu.

[pannonian]

However, from the excerpt, we don't actually see Island boss Qu being killed. For all we know, Zhuo Bufan could have pu his sword in a surprising position and Qu just ran into it, and the Sword God just hacked off his head with a single blow afterwards. All we see of post-mortem Qu is his head, so we don't know if he received any other wounds to his body. A single stance decapitation doesn't seem so impressive if the victim is already dead.

[Wu Wudi]

Let's not try to complicate things in this topic, OK?

Sorry, PJ. $this->handle_bbcode_img_match('http://cdn-www.answerbag.com/images/avatars/50/tongue.gif')

Carry on with your fun.

[flamer]

For Big Boss Wu to evoke such a feeling, it means that SWORD GOD is much better than Big Boss Wu, in the same vein that Xie Xun is much better than Zhang Cuishan. And Big Boss Wu is only slightly weaker than Murong Fu.

I seriously do not think Boss Wu is nearly as good as Mu Rongfu. MRF thought he would be able to defeat Wu, and this definitely does not mean hes only SLIGHTLY better. The way he spoke about Wu, he didnt really think Wu was a major power. Assuming 2 island leader/cave leader=1 Boss Wu. The 72 Islands/36 Caves leaders would in total form 54 MRF's equivalent of power,27 Elites? I seriously doubt that. I think Xu Zhu + Duan Yu + XF would totally pwn all the leaders together.

And the thing about the failure of ZBF's image has all to do with him being unable to injure XZ. I would say XF/JMZ/MRB/XYS/even Xuan Ci would have a very good chance hitting Xuzhu. So its the poor ability of ZBF that readers perceive him as not nearly as good as Elites or First Class of his time.

[Ken Cheng]

I don't think there's any shame in losing to Hui Juk. Even Kau Mor Tze was unable to put a scratch on him, so we can't expect SWORD GOD Zhuo Bufan to be able to injure Hui Juk. It's more a question of if this guy is so great, how come we don't hear more about him in the world of DGSD outside of these few chapters he appears in? SWORD GOD Zhuo Bufan was no secret operator in the shadows like Siu Yeun San, Mo Yung Bok, the Janitor Monk, etc. He was a very public, very well-known martial artist...but DGSD wulin never mentioned his name in the same breath with the elites. As far as wulin was concerned, the elites were Kiu Fung, Mo Yung F'uk, the Deun Family, and Shaolin. Zhuo Bufan was kind of just another face in the crowd.

[flamer]

Hey Ken but note that the XZ fighting JMZ and ZBF is different. The one fighting JMZ spent months in Lingjiu Palace learning his thing. AND Xuzhu was actually fighting.

The one fighting ZBF had un-refined skills and was pretty much caught off guard. And yet ZBF failed.

[PJ]

I seriously do not think Boss Wu is nearly as good as Mu Rongfu. MRF thought he would be able to defeat Wu, and this definitely does not mean hes only SLIGHTLY better. The way he spoke about Wu, he didnt really think Wu was a major power. Assuming 2 island leader/cave leader=1 Boss Wu. The 72 Islands/36 Caves leaders would in total form 54 MRF's equivalent of power,27 Elites? I seriously doubt that. I think Xu Zhu + Duan Yu + XF would totally pwn all the leaders together.

What you think is not as pertinent as what Jin Yong wrote.

Jin Yong did not write "Murong Fu thought he would defeat Boss Wu."

What Jin Yong wrote was: "Murong Fu thought he could not defeat Boss Wu in a short time."

There's a big difference in the implications. What Jin Yong wrote implies that Murong Fu is only slightly better than Boss Wu.

And 2 island/cave leaders do not equate Boss Wu. Murong Fu thought he could kill 10 or so of the leaders, but he definitely thought of Boss Wu much higher.

And the thing about the failure of ZBF's image has all to do with him being unable to injure XZ. I would say XF/JMZ/MRB/XYS/even Xuan Ci would have a very good chance hitting Xuzhu.

What? Even Jiumozhi did not land an effective hit on Xuzhu.

So its the poor ability of ZBF that readers perceive him as not nearly as good as Elites or First Class of his time.

Again, you're comparing oranges to apples. Not doing justice to the characters involved.

For an exercise of comparing oranges to apples, I can prove to you that Ren Woxing is actually weaker than his daughter. Consider this:

-Linghu Chong is roughly an equal of Ren Woxing

-Linghu Chong lost to someone who was weaker then Ren Yingying

-By association, Ren Woxing would also lose to someone who was weaker than Ren Yingying

DO you believe that? I hope not. Just because Linghu Chong's hand-to-hand combat sucks and cannot beat a weak granny, doesn't mean Ren Woxing would have that trouble. Likewise, just because Ding Chunqiu was able to last a while because of at least 3 advantages, doesn't mean SWORD GOD won't achieve the same if he had access to the same advantages.

[PJ]

To flamer: You must understand that the situations surrounding Xuzhu's fight with SWORD GOD Zhuo Bufan and Xuzhu's fight with Ding Chunqiu are quite different. The situational differences need to be taken into consideration when assessing the levels of the various martial artists. You can't just look at the outcome. You must look at the circumstances also.

For example, Miejue lasted quite a long time against the Xuanming Elder He Biweng (at least several 10s of stances), whereas Yang Xiao lost to the Xuanming Elder in one stance. It would seem that Miejue is light years ahead of Yang Xiao by performance, but is that really the case? We know that Miejue is BARELY a match for Zhuang Zheng, she almost lost. And Zhuang Zheng is at most equal to Yang Xiao (Zhuang Zheng is just a banner leader, whereas Yang Xiao is on par with the 4 Guardian Lords). Therefore Miejue cannot possibly be better than Yang Xiao. In all likelihood, Yang Xiao is probably a little better (due to his expertise in a variety of techniques). And yet, Miejue performed >10 times better than Yang Xiao against the Xuanming Elder. How is that possible?

Answer: Because the circumstances surrounding the fight between He Biweng and Miejue from different from the circumstances surrounding the fight between the Xuanming Elder and Yang Xiao. Without examining nat the circumstances, you can't possible gauge correctly the martial arts level of each individual involved.

[PJ]

Hey Ken but note that the XZ fighting JMZ and ZBF is different. The one fighting JMZ spent months in Lingjiu Palace learning his thing. AND Xuzhu was actually fighting.

The one fighting ZBF had un-refined skills and was pretty much caught off guard. And yet ZBF failed.

Is that surprising? We all know that Jiumozhi is a notch above the trio of SWORD GOD Zhuo Bufan, THE KING OF SCALY DRAGON Taoist Buping, and LOTUS FAIRY Cui Luhua.

And who says Xuzhu wasn't trying with Zhuo Bufan? He was trying to save Duan Yu's life. It makes sense that he was trying his maximum.

[PJ]

It's more a question of if this guy is so great, how come we don't hear more about him in the world of DGSD outside of these few chapters he appears in? SWORD GOD Zhuo Bufan was no secret operator in the shadows like Siu Yeun San, Mo Yung Bok, the Janitor Monk, etc. He was a very public, very well-known martial artist...but DGSD wulin never mentioned his name in the same breath with the elites. As far as wulin was concerned, the elites were Kiu Fung, Mo Yung F'uk, the Deun Family, and Shaolin. Zhuo Bufan was kind of just another face in the crowd.

SWORD GOD was isolated in the mountain, refining his swordsmanship, for the past 30 years. It was said that he had just came out of his 30-year seclusion recently. You can imagine that having been gone for 30 years, when you return no one will know your name. It takes quite a while for your reputation to build up.