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    Default Mo Yung F'uk vs. End-of-LOCH Gwok Jing

    Yeah, I'm having a Mo Yung Family kind of week.

    Mo Yung F'uk during DGSD wasn't necessarily a weak fighter, but he was short of the Elite level represented by his father and Kiu Fung, among others. Since that level of fighter is considered more or less equal to that of the CONDOR HEROES TRILOGY Greats, would Mo Yung F'uk's martial arts be stronger or weaker than the twenty year old, end-of-LOCH Gwok Jing who fought at the Second Mt. Hua Sword Tournament? Who would win between Mo Yung F'uk and end-of-LOCH Gwok Jing?

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    Doesn't "Mo Yung" mean uesless in Cantonese?

    Hey, you "Mo Yung" f'uk!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wu Wudi View Post
    Doesn't "Mo Yung" mean uesless in Cantonese?

    Hey, you "Mo Yung" f'uk!

    LOL
    That "Mo Yong" is different. But yes, it does somehow sound like useless.

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    End of LOCH Guo Jing. Then yes after some fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wu Wudi View Post
    Doesn't "Mo Yung" mean uesless in Cantonese?

    Hey, you "Mo Yung" f'uk!

    LOL


    anyways mo yung *** stands no chance, wasnt he a big wussy like the golden wheel monk? even if he wasnt, mo yung *** cant immitate the 18 dragon palm, so if GJ use that, mo yung *** is screwed

    :edit:why was *** censored?

    :edit2: *** = fu k
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuNaR View Post


    anyways mo yung *** stands no chance, wasnt he a big wussy like the golden wheel monk? even if he wasnt, mo yung *** cant immitate the 18 dragon palm, so if GJ use that, mo yung *** is screwed

    :edit:why was *** censored?

    :edit2: *** = fu k
    Lol thats no reason why Guo Jing can beat him. Can Jiu Mozhi imitate 6 Divine Swords? He owned Duan Yu quite easily. Can XF imitate Star Shifting Technique? He owned Mu RongFu quite easily. Can You Tanzhi imitate Great Iron Palm? He owned Xuan Ci(ish) quite easily. The list goes on

    Winning is not just decided by if a person can imitate the other's skill. Murong Fu's skills are already high and will easily beat say Guo Jing when he just learned XL18Z although MRF still could not imitate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamer View Post
    Lol thats no reason why Guo Jing can beat him. Can Jiu Mozhi imitate 6 Divine Swords? He owned Duan Yu quite easily. Can XF imitate Star Shifting Technique? He owned Mu RongFu quite easily. Can You Tanzhi imitate Great Iron Palm? He owned Xuan Ci(ish) quite easily. The list goes on

    Winning is not just decided by if a person can imitate the other's skill. Murong Fu's skills are already high and will easily beat say Guo Jing when he just learned XL18Z although MRF still could not imitate it.
    but mu rong ***'s main skill is imitating ppl rite? or am i getting my facts wrong. but if i was correct, then his main skill is useless, and thus he will be killed by GJ
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    Quote Originally Posted by flamer View Post
    Murong Fu's skills are already high and will easily beat say Guo Jing when he just learned XL18Z although MRF still could not imitate it.
    Great Evil # 3 might be able to defeat Gwok Jing right after the latter began learning the Hong Lung 18 Palms, but that's not the stage of Gwok Jing in the comparison here. End-of-LOCH Gwok Jing was not yet a Great, but was good enough to hold his own against a Great better than any other fighter in the world could at the time. That's sort of where Mo Yung F'uk was relative to the Kiu Fung-class Elites in DGSD too.

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    MRF should be able to beat GJ but won't because the doesn't have the fighting talent of GJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    Great Evil # 3 might be able to defeat Gwok Jing right after the latter began learning the Hong Lung 18 Palms, but that's not the stage of Gwok Jing in the comparison here. End-of-LOCH Gwok Jing was not yet a Great, but was good enough to hold his own against a Great better than any other fighter in the world could at the time. That's sort of where Mo Yung F'uk was relative to the Kiu Fung-class Elites in DGSD too.

    Yea it was just an example that being able to "imitate" renders Murong Fu useless does not hold true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuNaR View Post
    but mu rong ***'s main skill is imitating ppl rite? or am i getting my facts wrong. but if i was correct, then his main skill is useless, and thus he will be killed by GJ

    That is his preferred way of killing. But as i said, his level of MA is high enough to use his own skills to defeat Guo Jing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamer View Post
    That is his preferred way of killing. But his level of MA is high enough to use his own skills to defeat Guo Jing.
    Maybe. Mo Yung F'uk's skills were very erratic. He had trouble putting them together into a body of martial arts that could defeat really tough opponents (young Yeung Gor had this problem too before the Golden Wheel Monk pointed it out to him).

    The 9 Yum Jen Ging and the Left/Right Hand Technique would probably give Mo Yung F'uk more trouble than the Hong Lung 18 Palms would. Mo Yung F'uk never showed that he was good at improvising when the opponent used unexpected tactics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    Maybe. Mo Yung F'uk's skills were very erratic. He had trouble putting them together into a body of martial arts that could defeat really tough opponents (young Yeung Gor had this problem too before the Golden Wheel Monk pointed it out to him).

    The 9 Yum Jen Ging and the Left/Right Hand Technique would probably give Mo Yung F'uk more trouble than the Hong Lung 18 Palms would. Mo Yung F'uk never showed that he was good at improvising when the opponent used unexpected tactics.
    wasnt GJ bad at improvising too? all he does is dragon palm every1 right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuNaR View Post
    wasnt GJ bad at improvising too? all he does is dragon palm every1 right?
    Oh, not at all. He was slow at beginning to learn a skill, but once he got the hang of it, he surprised even himself with his ability to innovate. He created three "substitute" Hong Lung Palms to fight Au Yeung Hak when North Beggar Hung 7 Gung had only taught him fifteen of the proper ones. He also improvised the "silent" Hong Lung Palms to take advantage of Mui Chiu Fung's blindness. Later, he devised a way to use the Cheun Jen Sect's Big Dipper 7 Stars Formation, which had been designed for use by seven people, all by himself. Finally, Gwok Jing was able to incorporate what he had learned from the 9 Yum Jen Ging into the Hong Lung 18 Palms, which made his version better in some ways than the version Hung 7 Gung taught him (particularly in the conservation and release of power).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    Oh, not at all. He was slow at beginning to learn a skill, but once he got the hang of it, he surprised even himself with his ability to innovate. He created three "substitute" Hong Lung Palms to fight Au Yeung Hak when North Beggar Hung 7 Gung had only taught him fifteen of the proper ones. He also improvised the "silent" Hong Lung Palms to take advantage of Mui Chiu Fung's blindness. Later, he devised a way to use the Cheun Jen Sect's Big Dipper 7 Stars Formation, which had been designed for use by seven people, all by himself. Finally, Gwok Jing was able to incorporate what he had learned from the 9 Yum Jen Ging into the Hong Lung 18 Palms, which made his version better in some ways than the version Hung 7 Gung taught him (particularly in the conservation and release of power).
    i see, ok it is no doubt that GJ > MRF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuNaR View Post
    i see, ok it is no doubt that GJ > MRF.
    I don't know about that. But Gwok Jing's ability to make martial arts innovations on the fly was pretty impressive. He just never proved that he could create an entire martial arts system from the ground up the way that East Heretic Wong Yerk See, Chow Bak Tung, Yeung Gor, or Cheung 3 Fung did. Maybe he could if he applied himself to it, but his energies were focused elsewhere. We'll never know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    Oh, not at all. He was slow at beginning to learn a skill, but once he got the hang of it, he surprised even himself with his ability to innovate. He created three "substitute" Hong Lung Palms to fight Au Yeung Hak when North Beggar Hung 7 Gung had only taught him fifteen of the proper ones. He also improvised the "silent" Hong Lung Palms to take advantage of Mui Chiu Fung's blindness. Later, he devised a way to use the Cheun Jen Sect's Big Dipper 7 Stars Formation, which had been designed for use by seven people, all by himself. Finally, Gwok Jing was able to incorporate what he had learned from the 9 Yum Jen Ging into the Hong Lung 18 Palms, which made his version better in some ways than the version Hung 7 Gung taught him (particularly in the conservation and release of power).
    his substitute dragon palms were useless. random movements to fool OYK. as dumb as GJ is, i'm sure he could manage random movements (i can make random movements).

    he did not think of silent palms either. he did it by accident and it worked well. yes, many genius inventions started off as trial and error, but the trials were usually well thought out. GJ on the other hand, pure luck. it wasn't as if he wanted to try out silent palms. and it does not take a genius to figure out trial and error (i can use trial and error--ie. the fire is hot, don't touch it).

    much of 9 yin is a bunch of theories without solid stances/movements. there is nothing to do but apply it to other arts that you know. (for example, pure physics is almost completely usless to mankind without applying it to engineering)
    the dipper formation (or the logic behind it) was already written in 9 yin. once again, he simply applied what he learned (i hope most people in this world at least have some idea of applying what they know).

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    I feel the DGSD elites are more on par with the end of ROCH Greats than the LOCH ones. This makes MYF relatively stronger too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    Maybe. Mo Yung F'uk's skills were very erratic. He had trouble putting them together into a body of martial arts that could defeat really tough opponents (young Yeung Gor had this problem too before the Golden Wheel Monk pointed it out to him).

    The 9 Yum Jen Ging and the Left/Right Hand Technique would probably give Mo Yung F'uk more trouble than the Hong Lung 18 Palms would. Mo Yung F'uk never showed that he was good at improvising when the opponent used unexpected tactics.

    Haha not always so. Didnt the crowd applaud him for throwing his sword shards back at Duan Yu and forcing Duan Yu to lie face first to the ground? Good improvisation

    Pretty sure his skills are already quite up to it, seen from his fights with DCQ, helping You Tanzhi etc. Dun think he will lose to Guo Jing.

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    I think End LOCH Guo Jing was stronger than people like Ding Chunqiu or Xuan Monks..

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