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    Towards the end of ROCH, Yeung Gor began to hang out with a strange group of friends, including the Ghosts of San Sai, the Shih Brothers, and that group that included the Human Chef (among others) that helped to celebrate Gwok Seung's sixteenth birthday by torching the nearby Mongol base camp.

    To me, this group of strange friends that Yeung Gor had seemed to anticipate the Ming Cult that would emerge in HSDS. They seemed to be a similar kind of group to me for some reason.

    So if you had Yeung Gor and his buddies (only those weird characters that helped him at the burning of the Mongol camp; no Greats and none of his old friends and associates from back in the day) and lined them up against Cheung Mo Gei and his Ming Cult (only the Four Guardian Lords, the Left and Right Heralds of Light, the Five Carefree Men, and the leaders of the Flag armies...not the ENTIRE Ming army, which had many thousands of people and could overthrow an empire) for a battle royal, which side would win?

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    Does Yang Guo's group include Wuse and Qingling Zi? Qingling Zi was He Zudao's senior, and was supposed to have been one of the better talents Kunlun had ever produced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pannonian View Post
    Does Yang Guo's group include Wuse and Qingling Zi? Qingling Zi was He Zudao's senior, and was supposed to have been one of the better talents Kunlun had ever produced.
    Did those two actually show up? I think Mo Sik just sent birthday gifts along for Gwok Seung, but didn't bother to actually come out of the Shaolin Temple.

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    zwj's side has a greater chance to win as his heap of freaking bizarre martial arts techniques and his 2 intact arms give him some advantages in dealing with multiple opponents at the same time. the fight must be rough but as time goes by zwj will gradually take out yg's subordinates one by one then he and his alive subordinates will gang up on yg.

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    Oh pretty sure ZWJ's gang will pwn YG's. ZWJ can fight with YG no probs. Yang Xiao, Fan Yao +4 Lords can whoop the randoms so fast they cannot even retaliate (kidding).

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamer View Post
    Oh pretty sure ZWJ's gang will pwn YG's. ZWJ can fight with YG no probs. Yang Xiao, Fan Yao +4 Lords can whoop the randoms so fast they cannot even retaliate (kidding).
    Some of the folks in Yeung Gor's group were pretty formidable. Gwok Jing remarked upon hearing their names that they were all first-class martial artists that he had wanted to recruit for the anti-Mongol resistance army for years, but couldn't contact for one reason or another. I think that when Yeh Lut Chai, who was quite a formidable fighter at the end of ROCH, tried to intervene to save Fok Do (whom Yeh Lut still thought the disguised Fok was Beggar's Union member Ho See Ngor) from Dat Yee Ba, he was restrained by one of those strange members of Yeung Gor's gang with just one simple gesture, implying that some of those guys were quite powerful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    Did those two actually show up? I think Mo Sik just sent birthday gifts along for Gwok Seung, but didn't bother to actually come out of the Shaolin Temple.
    From chapter 1 of HSDS, when Guo Xiang asked about Yang Guo.

    WuSe said: "Many years ago, Master Yang came to our monastery and stayed
    for a few days. And when he left for XiangYang he asked me to help him.
    But I don't know where he is now."

    It doesn't actually say if Wuse replied yes, but it would seem to imply so. And, from ROCH chapter 36, when a group brings Daerba to deal with Huodu.

    Then these eight people cupped their fists to her and introduced
    themselves. Everybody who heard their names was surprised. They were not
    ordinary people. The first was an old Buddhist monk, none other than the
    Abbot of Mount Wutai’s Foguang Monastery, Reverend Tanhua. He was the
    peer of the Shaolin’s Abbot, Zen Master Tianming. The others were old
    Marquis Zhao and the Deaf and Mute Dhuta, Qingling Zi, the leader of the
    Kunlun School, etc. All of them were seniors of the martial arts realm.

    Shi Shugang is pretty impressive as well. From ROCH chapter 37, when Yelu Qi tries to jump onstage to help He Shiwo against Daerba.

    He jumped towards the stage. A person
    shouted fiercely, “Nobody’s allowed on the stage!” Then the person
    blocked his way. Yelu Qi stretched his hand out to grab him but that
    person caught his hand instead with a strange move and such great
    internal strength that he could not move. Yelu Qi was shocked and saw
    that it was the third of the Shi brothers Shi Shugang.

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    I was thinking whether Xie Xun's infamous Lion Roar would be able to wipe out all of them within a minute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Extremer88 View Post
    I was thinking whether Xie Xun's infamous Lion Roar would be able to wipe out all of them within a minute.
    Shi Shugang, even while injured, was able to stand up to Yang Guo's roar, which I doubt is any lesser than Xie Xun's.

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    Shi Shugang would definitely be a match for a Ming Cult Guardian Lord.
    The others, who are more famous, are probably not far behind.
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    I find this quite hard to believe. Isnt it the consensus that approx 6 Lords/Heralds equal ZWJ? Are we saying about 8-9 of those YG's friends can equal ZWJ or implicitly YG?

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamer View Post
    I find this quite hard to believe. Isnt it the consensus that approx 6 Lords/Heralds equal ZWJ? Are we saying about 8-9 of those YG's friends can equal ZWJ or implicitly YG?
    Depends on which ones. On the low end, you had folks like the Big Headed Ghost and Fan 1 Yung, who weren't terribly impressive. At the high end, you had guys like that eldest Shih Brother that PJ mentioned, who was a serious heavy-hitter (though obviously not Greats-class). It's hard to really get an idea of how good some of those folks were because we didn't see them in action much, but the fact that they pulled off that operation against the Mongol base camp was pretty impressive.

    This could be a pretty good little gang war. Yeung Gor's group was sort of like an ersatz Ming Cult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    Depends on which ones. On the low end, you had folks like the Big Headed Ghost and Fan 1 Yung, who weren't terribly impressive. At the high end, you had guys like that eldest Shih Brother that PJ mentioned, who was a serious heavy-hitter (though obviously not Greats-class). It's hard to really get an idea of how good some of those folks were because we didn't see them in action much, but the fact that they pulled off that operation against the Mongol base camp was pretty impressive.

    This could be a pretty good little gang war. Yeung Gor's group was sort of like an ersatz Ming Cult.
    Well i guess they had a few hundred(or less) in the raid thing? And they killed 2000 Mongols?

    I find it hard to believe that say 8 of the best in the mob=Yang Guo lol. Would think YG can own them all in seconds (the best 8)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    Depends on which ones. On the low end, you had folks like the Big Headed Ghost and Fan 1 Yung, who weren't terribly impressive. At the high end, you had guys like that eldest Shih Brother that PJ mentioned, who was a serious heavy-hitter (though obviously not Greats-class). It's hard to really get an idea of how good some of those folks were because we didn't see them in action much, but the fact that they pulled off that operation against the Mongol base camp was pretty impressive.

    This could be a pretty good little gang war. Yeung Gor's group was sort of like an ersatz Ming Cult.
    Shi Shugang was at least a match for Yelu Qi in strength and internal, possibly better, in that passage I quoted, while his injured self was able to withstand Yang Guo's roar. He's probably the heaviest hitter among the Shi brothers, but Shi Jiqiang was no slouch either, yielding not one bit in a contest of strength with Yang Guo, until his weapon broke under the strain.

    Another account of Shi Shugang's prowess is his injury by Huo Du, who won using dirty tricks. While this may not necessarily mean that Huo Du was much lesser than him (after all, he used dirty tricks against Lu Youjiao as well), the description seems to suggest that Shi Shugang was having a comfortable time of it when Huo Du tricked him. In a straight out fight, even outside the direct contest of internal which he specialised in, Shi Shugang might not be any lesser than Yelu Qi.

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    Well im under the impression that YG/HYS/GJ can KO Yelu Qi in about 10 stances. It will be amazing that 8-9 of the YG gang can be as good as Yelu Qi, ie 8-9 of them equaling Yang Guo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pannonian View Post
    Shi Shugang was at least a match for Yelu Qi in strength and internal, possibly better, in that passage I quoted, while his injured self was able to withstand Yang Guo's roar. He's probably the heaviest hitter among the Shi brothers, but Shi Jiqiang was no slouch either, yielding not one bit in a contest of strength with Yang Guo, until his weapon broke under the strain.
    Yeung Gor was probably going fairly easy on him. I don't doubt that Shih was a powerhouse in his own right, but I doubt he'd really be able to hold his own against a Great for long were the Great to use full power against Shih.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    Yeung Gor was probably going fairly easy on him. I don't doubt that Shih was a powerhouse in his own right, but I doubt he'd really be able to hold his own against a Great for long were the Great to use full power against Shih.
    From ROCH chapter 34.

    But the ‘Immortal of Giant Strength’
    Shi Jiqiang, the reckless one of the family, didn’t listen; he thought,
    “What limits? Let him eat my staff first, and then we talk.” He kept
    attacking Yang Guo’s head with his “Elephant Opening a Mountain” stance.
    This attack mimicked how an elephant used its trunk. His copper staff
    was shaped like an elephant trunk; small in front, bigger and a little
    curved toward the back. His force was a mixture of ‘hard’ and ‘soft’; no
    less than 1000 jins strong.

    Yang Guo did not budge. He threw his tiger away, flipped his hand, and
    caught the end of the staff. He smiled and said, “OK let’s have a duel
    and see who is stronger.”

    Shi Jiqiang used all his strength to push down. His ‘Elephant Trunk
    Staff’ was above Yang Guo’s head but no matter how much force Shi
    Jiqiang used the staff would not go down.

    Shi Shugang said, “Fourth brother, don’t be rude.”

    Shi Jiqiang tried to retreat and pull his staff away but it wouldn’t
    budge. Shi Jiqiang tried to pull back three times but still couldn’t
    retrieve his staff. Yang Guo thought, “He has a powerful strength; if I
    don’t overcome his with my strength this man will not give in.”

    So Yang Guo used his full strength, his left hand came up and grabbed
    the middle of the staff. The force was focused towards the middle of the
    staff trying to force Shi Jiqiang to release it. But Shi Jiqiang did not
    let go forcing the staff to bend upwards.

    Yang Guo shouted out, “Good!” He used his strength and internal energy
    and caused the staff to bend down. But Shi Jiqiang still refused to let go.

    “Crack!” the staff broke in half. Shi Jiqiang’s palms were both
    bleeding, but he still held the half staff in his hands. Yang Guo saw
    Shi Jiqiang’s tenacity and thought it was amusing and started laughing.
    He picked up the other half of the staff and threw it to the ground. It
    struck the earth and went deep until it was completely buried.

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    It may be likely that the STRENGTH of this guy is high, but im not convinced its as high as Yang Guo. And even if it is, it only demonstrates the physical strength of this guy, nothing about his fighting ability. Eg Jue Yuan will be hugely strong, but he cant beat any half decent fighter.

    So i think judging someone just in his strength department to = to fighting ability is not fair. We should get descriptions of his fights, not strength contests.

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    And to be honest, i get the feeling that Yang Guo is toying around with this fellow...

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    long berad ghost was on the same lelvel as the mongolian experts. he was able to withstand nimoxing when they tested hand strenght.
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