Difference of time to achieve the same results in power

[Tom]

Most of us here in SPCNet consider Guo Jing and Yang Guo to be around the same level by the end of ROCH. And that level is what we call "Greats-level".

But Yang Guo too A LOT LESS years than Guo Jing in order to reach that level...

...so

Why did it take Guo Jing more years to achieve the same results as Yang Guo?

[PJ]

Yang Guo received a special boost under Dugu Qiubai's tutelage. He practically quadrupled his power in 1 month. Normally it would have taken him 10+ years to achieve the same result. So you can add 10 years to Yang Guo's time frame to make it more normalized.

[World Peace]

Most of us here in SPCNet consider Guo Jing and Yang Guo to be around the same level by the end of ROCH. And that level is what we call "Greats-level".

But Yang Guo too A LOT LESS years than Guo Jing in order to reach that level...

...so

Why did it take Guo Jing more years to achieve the same results as Yang Guo?

If my memory serves me, ZWJ needed only 3 (or 2?) years to achieve the amount of 'chi' that took GJ half of his lifetime and YG nearly 30 years to train.

[Ken Cheng]

If my memory serves me, ZWJ needed only 3 (or 2?) years to achieve the amount of 'chi' that took GJ half of his lifetime and YG nearly 30 years to train.

It just kept getting better with each succeeding generation.

Take it back a generation from Gwok Jing, and you had the elder Greats not reaching a similar level until their eighties and nineties.

[kyss of the sword]

If my memory serves me, ZWJ needed only 3 (or 2?) years to achieve the amount of 'chi' that took GJ half of his lifetime and YG nearly 30 years to train.

no, when you see the time from when they started to train inner power, they took roughly the same time.

guo jing: started inner power training at age 16 from ma yu. two yrs later, had boost from snake blood and less then half year later learnt 9yin from ZBT. had inner power guidance from yideng. trained for about two yrs more. at about age 20/21 competed at 2nd huashan tournament. about 10yrs later, fought OYF to a draw(ROCH). time period to great level, 14yrs.

yang guo: started inner power training at age 11 from OYF toad skill. two day teaching only. next two yrs, practise on own only. enter ancient tomb, practise on ice bed for three yrs ancient tomb inner power. find 9yin 70/80% practise for about a year. learn altered 9yin from OYF. about a yr later, fought at martial meet(age 18). vital energy flow set off when HYS aids healing. eats a lingzhi that boost strenght a bit in loveless valley. finds sword tomb and divine condor. eats snake gallbladders, increase in strenght through dugu training method(age19?). after practise in south seas for six yrs. reached great level. time period, 14yrs.

ZWJ, earliest start period for inner power training, from age 5yrs. wudang inner power from father. age 8yrs, training from xiexun. mainly practised qi techniques and accupoint block/unblock. memorsied theories only. practise foucsed on inner power training only. age 10yrs training from ZSF on 9yang to combat xuan ming zhang toxin. age 12yrs start learning medical skills from doctor hu. age 14yrs, found 9yang shengong, practise for 5yrs(special frogs/fish helps boost power?). age 19yrs,time in universe sack and learnt QKDNY to release qi, hit great level. time period, 14yrs.

the main factor to reaching great level is inner power and each took roughly the same period of time for inner power training. and had the same advantages.

[flamer]

It just kept getting better with each succeeding generation.

Take it back a generation from Gwok Jing, and you had the elder Greats not reaching a similar level until their eighties and nineties.

Exactly, so say if older Greats had say 9 Yang for 5 years, will they gain as much as ZWJ? Or if they trained like YG etc.

[PJ]

Exactly, so say if older Greats had say 9 Yang for 5 years, will they gain as much as ZWJ? Or if they trained like YG etc.

Hong Qigong gained back his life-long accumulated internal strength in 1 or 2 years? And Yideng said he could do it in 3 months (or something)! With the help of 9 Yin.

[World Peace]

no, when you see the time from when they started to train inner power, they took roughly the same time.

the main factor to reaching great level is inner power and each took roughly the same period of time for inner power training. and had the same advantages.

I don't think so, GJ began to learn elite martial arts at the age of about 20 (Jiuyin & Jianglong), at the end of ROCH when he met Zhang Sanfeng he was approximately 60 (?), thus it took him 40 years of training. As for YG, he started to train elite techniques (Gumu & Jiuyin) at the age of about 15 (?) and catched up with the other Greats at the end of ROCH when he was around 40, thus YG spent 25 years for practising. Now go to Zhang Wuji, from the point when he fell of the cliff and started to train Jiuyang to the point when Zhang Sanfeng noticed that his internal energy was on a par with that of the Greats, it was only 3 (or 4?) years. so obviously that ZWJ is the fastest in respect of internal power accumulation.

[Wu Wudi]

YG was significanty more powerful than GJ at the age of 20. But, if the comparison is of them in their 30s, then they're approximately equal. Both men pretty much progressed about the same except for that one time when YG got a huge boost from his trip to DGQB's magical cave.

[flamer]

Hong Qigong gained back his life-long accumulated internal strength in 1 or 2 years? And Yideng said he could do it in 3 months (or something)! With the help of 9 Yin.

Lol yea wth is that. So their decades of training is pretty much of little use since they can do so with the help of stuff like 9 Yin. That pretty stuffed up stuff? If Greats' internal energy accumulated so slowly and insignificantly without top level skills, then how did they differentiate themselves from others in the first place? (internal wise)

[pannonian]

It also depends on how much time one dedicates to cultivating internal, and other factors. Guo Jing didn't have much time in LOCH to concentrate on gettkng the most out of 9 yin, and in ROCH he spent most of his time defending Xiangyang. So he spent around a dozen years in peace on Peach Blossom Island, during which he raised his daughter as well (although, at that stage, Huang Rong may have been more involved in bringing her up).

Yang Guo spent several months with the Divine Eagle before he got bored and thought about Dugu Qiubai's sord theories again. He then trained in the wooden sword for about a year, before leavng for the south. When he reached the coast, he trained in the waves for another 6 years. So Yang Guo spent around 7 years in intensive training. However, unlike Guo Jing and Zhang Wuiji, he did not have a manual to follow, but had to figure out the training regime for himself, with some guidance from the Dvine Eagle.

[kyss of the sword]

I don't think so, GJ began to learn elite martial arts at the age of about 20 (Jiuyin & Jianglong), at the end of ROCH when he met Zhang Sanfeng he was approximately 60 (?), thus it took him 40 years of training. As for YG, he started to train elite techniques (Gumu & Jiuyin) at the age of about 15 (?) and catched up with the other Greats at the end of ROCH when he was around 40, thus YG spent 25 years for practising. Now go to Zhang Wuji, from the point when he fell of the cliff and started to train Jiuyang to the point when Zhang Sanfeng noticed that his internal energy was on a par with that of the Greats, it was only 3 (or 4?) years. so obviously that ZWJ is the fastest in respect of internal power accumulation.

actual guo jing had reached great status before he reached 30yrs old. that was how old he was when he fought OYF in ROCH. the greats skills kept improving with age but they were greats long before the end of ROCH. they had reached the top level of inner power cultivation, after that level, it was improving the purity of their inner power.

yang guo had reached great status around age 25. he had created sad palms around this age. after that he went around jianghu tp do good deeds.

ZWJ reached great status at age 19. his inner power did not match the purity of ZSf but he had roughly the same amount of chi culticated.

guo jing practised weapons and external martial arts skill before ma yu taught him quezhen inner power cultivation at age 16. quezhen had the purest inner power style of it's time and the most ordotox. what he had learned was high level, the same skill as what WCY himself learned(all quezhen students learned the same skill). yang guo started with OYF's toad stance inner power which was a high level technique. ZWJ started with wudang inner power which was high level as well.
all three had practised high level inner power at the begining and had gained advanced teachings. they learnt about the same in advanced qi cultivation techniques. and each took around the same period to train to great status. it just was yang guo started earlier then GJ, and ZWJ started earlier then YG. theres no real difference between their progress.

[tape]

YG was significanty more powerful than GJ at the age of 20. But, if the comparison is of them in their 30s, then they're approximately equal. Both men pretty much progressed about the same except for that one time when YG got a huge boost from his trip to DGQB's magical cave.

YG is more powerful in their 30's too. YG in his 30's is better than the post 16 year old Golden Wheel whom presumably doubled his inner strength, while GJ in his 30's was about equal to pre 16 Year Golden Wheel who should only have half the energy.

[Tom]

actual guo jing had reached great status before he reached 30yrs old.

He reached LOCH Great-level but not ROCH Great-level.

[Dennis Chen]

Hong Qigong gained back his life-long accumulated internal strength in 1 or 2 years? And Yideng said he could do it in 3 months (or something)! With the help of 9 Yin.

OYF not only regained all his internal energy after having it completely wiped out by WCY in 5 years, he caught up to the other Greats again. Without the help of 9 Yin.

[Ken Cheng]

Hong Qigong gained back his life-long accumulated internal strength in 1 or 2 years? And Yideng said he could do it in 3 months (or something)! With the help of 9 Yin.

Hung 7 Gung's inner power was always intact, even when he was severely injured. He just couldn't access it. He didn't need to rebuild it from scratch.

[PJ]

OYF not only regained all his internal energy after having it completely wiped out by WCY in 5 years, he caught up to the other Greats again. Without the help of 9 Yin.

Was it stated that Ouyang Feng lost all his internal energy?

[ChronoReverse]

GJ trained "normally" hence his "normal" speed.


YG had magic snake bladders. Hence he got what was practically an overnight boost.


ZWJ had a solid base (years of wudang and then wudang 9 Yang) of internal energy. He then spent 5 years doing nothing but training 9 Yang without any distractions at all.

[aniking_8]

DO you think ZWJ can surpass GJ and YG when he get to the same age as them?

[Ken Cheng]

DO you think ZWJ can surpass GJ and YG when he get to the same age as them?

If his rate of growth remains constant, sure. Why not?