Good trades of martial arts skills?

[Ken Cheng]

In professional sports, it's common practice for teams to trade players. Generally, both teams endeavor to make a trade that is equitable to both (although in practice, it doesn't always work out that way)...either in terms of equally skilled players or monetary compensation of some sort.

Let's say we were to swap wuxia martial arts skills. What would be some good trades?

Here's an example of a good trade: Tai Chi Sword for Dook Goo 9 Swords. Both are excellent sword skills that can serve similar functions, and one is not clearly superior to the other. Each has its unique merits.

A bad trade, obviously, would be something like trading the Hong Lung 18 Palms for Southern Seas Divine Crocodile's scissor kung fu. Terribly one-sided trade.

An apparently good trade that isn't so great, when you think about it, would be something like the 9 Yum Jen Ging for the 9 Yeung Jen Ging straight-up. Both are great inner training manuals, with perhaps a slight edge going to the 9 Yeung, but the 9 Yum has all kinds of nifty external skills whereas the 9 Yeung has none at all. To make this a fair trade, whoever is trading away the 9 Yeung has to throw in some decent external skill such as the 7 Seung Fists or something like that.

So, what would be some good martial arts trades?

[Wellesley]

The exchange that JiuMoZhi proposed to the monks in Dali appeared to be mutually beneficial at first. Jiumozhi offered the 72 Supreme Arts of Shaolin in exchange for Liu Mai Shen Jian.

It was clear that the Dali monks' progress in their study of 1 Yang Zhi have slowed to a crawl, and they could not master 6MSJ either, so the study of the 72 Supreme Arts could have opened their horizons and would have been enjoyable for them.

I am unsure if each monk can eventually become more proficient with one of the Supreme Arts than with 1 Yang Zhi. But by simply looking at the amazing demonstrations made by Jiumozhi, any average 1 Yang Zhi user would probably believe that the Supreme Arts are superior to 1 Yang Zhi and would be worth studying. The monks would have fun studying those arts, and it might have improved their skills too.

I think this trade would be mutually beneficial, but Jiumozhi would gain a lot more than the monks would as 6MSJ would improve his power by leaps and bound.

Perhaps the Murong family could try to trade their Canghe Finger for 6MSJ or 18 Dragon Subduing Palms, Canghe Finger really looked impressive.

[PJ]

so the study of the 72 Supreme Arts could have opened their horizons and would have been enjoyable for them.

Actually, it would have been pretty useless for them.
They aren't going to get better in martial arts by studying more variety of the same thing (in their case: finger skills).

But by simply looking at the amazing demonstrations made by Jiumozhi, any average 1 Yang Zhi user would probably believe that the Supreme Arts are superior to 1 Yang Zhi...

This is not necessarily true, b/c the monks had only reached the 4th level of Yiyang Finger. It is even possible that the DGSD highest level of Yiyang Finger is more powerful than the supreme arts. The monks might have been deceived by Jiumozhi's great performance at first, but once HAIR REMOVAL SPECIALIST Elder Kurong reminded them that they have 3 more levels to go in their own art, they must have realized the flaw in their judgment.

[Ken Cheng]

I might do a Shaolin Dragon Claws for 9 Yum White Bone Claws trade. Sounds like it'd be an even exchange (the caveat being that the 9 Yum White Bone Claws do NOT come with the full inner power training; it'd be equivalent to what Mui Chiu Fung had).

[Felix]

OT: Was just wondering, if Miejue did not know the secret of the two weapons, would Golden Mane Lion King trade his Dragon Sabre for the Heaven Sword?

[LuNaR]

18 palm for 9 yang

[Ken Cheng]

OT: Was just wondering, if Miejue did not know the secret of the two weapons, would Golden Mane Lion King trade his Dragon Sabre for the Heaven Sword?

I don't see how Mit Jeut See Tai's hypothetical ignorance of the secret would be a factor in Tse Tsun's desire to make the trade, but if *he* had discovered the secret, he'd realize that the Heaven Sword was the weapon that contained the resource most useful to him. Tse Tsun didn't need a strategy to lead an army against Sing Kwun. He needed a martial art that could defeat his former teacher. The 9 Yum Jen Ging would qualify.

[shortsight]

18 palm for 9 yang

My personal opinion is that 9Yang would help XL18Z better than XL18Z helping 9Yang, so I think this is not a very good trade to the one having 9Yang.

9Yang trading with XKDLY sounds to me a good trade, but ZWJ already had both.

From Yideng and WCY point of view, maybe trading 1YZ and XTXG.

Or maybe Jade Maiden trading with L/R technique.

For me, I would personally trade my mopping skill with Sweeper sweeping skill!

[flamer]

My personal opinion is that 9Yang would help XL18Z better than XL18Z helping 9Yang, so I think this is not a very good trade to the one having 9Yang.

9Yang trading with XKDLY sounds to me a good trade, but ZWJ already had both.

From Yideng and WCY point of view, maybe trading 1YZ and XTXG.

Or maybe Jade Maiden trading with L/R technique.

For me, I would personally trade my mopping skill with Sweeper sweeping skill!

Lol most of your skills trades are complimentary to each other.

QKDNY cannot work without extremely high internal (eg 9 Yang)

Jade Maiden is an above average skill unless wielded by 2 ppl or with L/R techinque. So this trade is obvious. Its like trading Ancestor Long Fists with Kongming Fists.

[Radken]

QFBD for HL18P.

Like who wouldn't, right?

[Ken Cheng]

QFBD for HL18P.

Like who wouldn't, right?

Heck, I'd give away the Qwai Fa Bo Deen FREE to anybody who'd take it off my hands!

I'd even throw in a bonus like a few of Shaolin's 72 Skills...

[shortsight]

Lol most of your skills trades are complimentary to each other.
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i thought that is what make them good trade??

[flamer]

i thought that is what make them good trade??

Lol they are a good trade. But they would be much less useful without the other complimenting it. So all in all, not a very good trade lol.

[Wu Wudi]

XL18Z and 9Yang would be an excellent trade for both parties involved.

XL18Z is possibly the most powerful external technicque. Its biggest weakness is that it drains the user's internal power greatly. 9Yang would make up for that weakness since it seems to cultivate the most abundant internal power.

[flamer]

XL18Z and 9Yang would be an excellent trade for both parties involved.

XL18Z is possibly the most powerful external technicque. Its biggest weakness is that it drains the user's internal power greatly. 9Yang would make up for that weakness since it seems to cultivate the most abundant internal power.

Lol i think they are more complimentary to each other from what you've said. So would you really give XL18Z for 9 Yang when you will lack an external skill. Or trade 9 Yang with XL18Z when you will not have the internal to back it up. UNLESS the trade is done AFTER you have mastered one of the skills.

(I think Six Meridian Swords is the most powerful external art)

[shortsight]

Lol ...

Lol, I can't help but noticed that all your 3 posts in this thread start with a "Lol"!!

[Wu Wudi]

I was thinking of having the trade only after having mastered the art that was already possessed. If not, the trade seems kinda pointless.

If the only option is having one or the other, then keeping 9Yang is obviously the better choice. I believe that in a fight between greats, external techniques matter more than internal power. But in order to actually get to the great level, high internal power is a must.

[Wu Wudi]

Lol, I can't help but noticed that all your 3 posts in this thread start with a "Lol"!!

LOL, Flamer is just a pro at flaming. LOL is one of the most effective ways to start a troll bait.

[Ken Cheng]

Note: the connotation of "good" in the context of this discussion is "fair and beneficial to both sides." If I trade Gong Nam Freak # 5 Cheung Ah Sang's butcher knife kung fu to get Tai Chi Sword Technique from you, that's obviously a GREAT trade for me and not so much for you, but I'm talking about trades that are equitable.

[K2Grey]

Lol they are a good trade. But they would be much less useful without the other complimenting it. So all in all, not a very good trade lol.

Your logic is difficult to comprehend. If the skills are complimentary then that means both parties benefit greatly, which is presumably the very definition of a great trade.