Was Yeung Gor's Sad Palms strike on GWM a mortal blow?

[Ken Cheng]

And YG Emo Palm seems to be like the only mood dependent internal energy out there right?

In that direct, obvious way, yeah.

[LuNaR]

i bet YG cant handle an elephant attack by GWM

[Ken Cheng]

i bet YG cant handle an elephant attack by GWM

I don't think he'd try to. It'd be utterly stupid to just stand there and try to out tough the Lung Jeung Bor Yeh Gung (Hui Juk could do it, but he might be the only one). The smart money is on using Ancient Tomb Sect hing gung to stay out of the strike zone, and counterattack with Sad Palms (which the Golden Wheel Monk can't handle because while power is definitely his strong suit, dealing with "weird" and unusual techniques isn't).

[Ren Ying Ying]

I'd don't think he'd try to. It'd be utterly stupid to just stand there and try to out tough the Lung Jeung Bor Yeh Gung (Hui Juk could do it, but he might be the only one). The smart money is on using Ancient Tomb Sect hing gung to stay out of the strike zone, and counterattack with Sad Palms (which the Golden Wheel Monk can't handle because while power is definitely his strong suit, dealing with "weird" and unusual techniques isn't).

i dunno. YG was either stupid enough or arrogant enough to clash head on with GWM with a regular sword. He might try the palm power.

[ChronoReverse]

At Great level, none of them can take a HIT from each others' deadly attacks (i.e., they'll take internal damage). Only XZ from DGSD can tank hits like that.

This doesn't preclude clashing though. Even Yideng was able to directly clash with GWM's palm with his finger and hold for quite a while (until GWM was distracted and started to lose).



Speaking of power, the Greats in ROCH are pretty monstrous when one thinks about it. LOCH GJ, even fairly early on (before meeting Yideng) had so much internal power that simply chucking a soft cloth shoe was enough to knock out beggar clan fighters at range. Considering he wasn't in the class of the LOCH Greats yet it's quite an accomplishment.

Then again, at this point he was pretty powerful so perhaps it's in line? It does make using pebbles to kill seem not so extraordinary.

[Ren Wo Xing]

At Great level, none of them can take a HIT from each others' deadly attacks (i.e., they'll take internal damage). Only XZ from DGSD can tank hits like that.

This doesn't preclude clashing though. Even Yideng was able to directly clash with GWM's palm with his finger and hold for quite a while (until GWM was distracted and started to lose).



Speaking of power, the Greats in ROCH are pretty monstrous when one thinks about it. LOCH GJ, even fairly early on (before meeting Yideng) had so much internal power that simply chucking a soft cloth shoe was enough to knock out beggar clan fighters at range. Considering he wasn't in the class of the LOCH Greats yet it's quite an accomplishment.

Then again, at this point he was pretty powerful so perhaps it's in line? It does make using pebbles to kill seem not so extraordinary.

At that time, Guo Jing pretty much had reached as high a level of martial arts as he would have been at by the end of LOCH, so it's definitely in line. It was specfically stated that during the fight with the beggars, he was only half a notch behind Qiu Qianren in internal energy.

Shortly afterwards, he stated that he felt that he could fight Qiu Qianren evenly for at least 50 stances, and that he would only be unable to block him after 100. If we look at the fight later on at Huashan, that's essentially how long he lasted after the other two Greats started to 'go serious' on him.

[ChronoReverse]

Yes, he was a notch below the Greats. But what's more instructive is that the LOCH Great can in fact overcome GJ quickly if pressed (whether with overwhelming power or technique). They can't go easy on GJ but they're not in any real danger either.

And the Greats have improved significantly by the end of ROCH.

[Snafu3721]

The Sad Palm strike shouldn't have been fatal.

First, there was no evidence that YG would have more internal energy than GWM (YG was equal to GWM at best imho). And usually in the Wuxia universe very few people can kill someone else with ONE strike unless the attacker had significantly more internal chi.

Second, in LOCH when OYF struck a severely poisoned H7G with toad stance, it didn't kill the later. It screwed up H7G's kung fu royally, but it wasn't fatal.

Third, QQR had struck 1D repeatedly with Iron Palm when he went berserk in ROCH. 1D spat out blood as well and would have died if he kept absorbing QQR's hits. But it was clear that using only ONE such powerful palm strike is insufficient to kill the likes of Great level fighters. (Note: QQR is not a greats level, but close enough.)

However, after such asuffering blow, the victim can be counted as practically dead because they would not be able to continue fighting much less beat the attacker.