+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 44

Thread: Zhang Wuji - The last of the "Greats"

  1. #1
    Senior Member flamer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    绿柳山庄
    Posts
    2,707

    Default Zhang Wuji - The last of the "Greats"

    Time for some ZWJ-glorifying threads instead of the monotony of ZWJ-bashing.

    There is a clear decline of martial arts in JinYong universe from Song Dynasty onwards. The last of the "Greats" level fighter appeared in HSDS with Zhang Sanfeng and Zhang Wuji.

    Do you think there is any other person after this time can quality as a Great or even close to one?

    Zhang Wuji also appears to be equipped with the best set of skills. 9 Yang, QKDNY, Taiji Fist/Sword etc. Possible contender might be GJ with 9 Yin, XL18Z, L/R Fists etc.

  2. #2
    Senior Member PJ's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2002
    Posts
    17,981

    Default

    Did you forget about Dongfang Bubai and Shi Potian? They're arguably a cut (or 2) above the Greats.
    TC to Ken: "You need to watch the ending of ROCH 83."

  3. #3
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Posts
    318

    Default

    some of the experts in XAJH are greats level, for example ren woxing (created xi xing), fang zheng(mastered yi jin jing), zuo leng chan (created frozen energy technique) feng qing yang (mastered DG9J) Ling hu chong (mastered surprising positions + sucked lots of energy + practiced yi jin jing)

    and of course DFBB who is more powerful than the greats.

    also:

    Lin yuan tu (mastered bixie jian fa and became invincible in his time)

  4. #4
    Senior Member Exodus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Posts
    1,289

    Default

    DFBB above the greats I doubt that

  5. #5
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Posts
    318

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Exodus View Post
    DFBB above the greats I doubt that
    why? RWX and LHC are both the most powerful of their time, XWT was also extremely powerful, add to that a 4th person Shang guan yun, all 4 of them could not even touch DFBB. DFBB was kicking their asses left and right without breaking a sweat. all 4 of them would have died had he not been distracted by his lover. he was so fast that he appeared as a blur to even the most powerful masters.

    which of the Greats can manage something like that?

  6. #6
    Senior Member PJ's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2002
    Posts
    17,981

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by the.raven View Post
    some of the experts in XAJH are greats level, for example ren woxing (created xi xing)
    Ren Woxing did not create Xixing Dafa, not in the 2nd edition of book.
    TC to Ken: "You need to watch the ending of ROCH 83."

  7. #7
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Posts
    318

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by PJ View Post
    Ren Woxing did not create Xixing Dafa, not in the 2nd edition of book.
    well, he derived it from bei ming, whatever, deriving a powerful skill still requires a genius martial artist.

  8. #8
    Senior Member PJ's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2002
    Posts
    17,981

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by the.raven View Post
    well, he derived it from bei ming, whatever, deriving a powerful skill still requires a genius martial artist.
    I thought Xixing Dafa was created before his time...
    TC to Ken: "You need to watch the ending of ROCH 83."

  9. #9
    Senior Member Exodus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Posts
    1,289

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by the.raven View Post
    why? RWX and LHC are both the most powerful of their time, XWT was also extremely powerful, add to that a 4th person Shang guan yun, all 4 of them could not even touch DFBB. DFBB was kicking their asses left and right without breaking a sweat. all 4 of them would have died had he not been distracted by his lover. he was so fast that he appeared as a blur to even the most powerful masters.

    which of the Greats can manage something like that?
    i doubt lhc is great level so dfbb kicking their asses doesn't mean much

  10. #10
    Senior Member ChronoReverse's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Posts
    2,847

    Default

    I doubt LHC is quite Great level yet either but RWX is certainly at least LOCH Great level and that counts for something.

  11. #11
    Senior Member Exodus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Posts
    1,289

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by ChronoReverse View Post
    I doubt LHC is quite Great level yet either but RWX is certainly at least LOCH Great level and that counts for something.
    not when ROCH greats are about 100 % better in terms of internal if you believe that GWM doubled his internal during the 16 years

  12. #12
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Posts
    318

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Exodus View Post
    i doubt lhc is great level so dfbb kicking their asses doesn't mean much
    even if he is not, he is close, he blinded 15 people in one attack when he had 0 internal. besides, its still 4 against 1, of which 3 are top rate experts of the time.

  13. #13
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Posts
    318

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Exodus View Post
    not when ROCH greats are about 100 % better in terms of internal if you believe that GWM doubled his internal during the 16 years
    GWM had trouble dealing with XLN with L/R technique, DFBB would have killed him with no trouble at all.

  14. #14
    Senior Member ChronoReverse's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Posts
    2,847

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Exodus View Post
    not when ROCH greats are about 100 % better in terms of internal if you believe that GWM doubled his internal during the 16 years
    I said "at least" for a reason. RWX's demonstrated abilities and feats are generally above what the LOCH Greats accomplished.

  15. #15
    Senior Member PJ's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2002
    Posts
    17,981

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by the.raven View Post
    even if he is not, he is close, he blinded 15 people in one attack when he had 0 internal.
    Miejue once sealed the acupoints of 50+ Ming Cult fighters in a flash, which is more difficult than just striking them down.
    TC to Ken: "You need to watch the ending of ROCH 83."

  16. #16
    Senior Member Ren Ying Ying's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    hell in the middle of nowhere
    Posts
    3,222

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by PJ View Post
    Miejue once sealed the acupoints of 50+ Ming Cult fighters in a flash, which is more difficult than just striking them down.
    and "ah san" can punch with the force of "a thousand jin" (same description used for GWM)--therefore, third tier fighters of HSDS are equal to end of ROCH Greats

  17. #17
    Senior Member PJ's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2002
    Posts
    17,981

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Ren Ying Ying View Post
    and "ah san" can punch with the force of "a thousand jin" (same description used for GWM)--therefore, third tier fighters of HSDS are equal to end of ROCH Greats
    Exerting 1000 jin is no big deal. Even people at 5% of Yu Daiyan's power can carry several hundred jin while walking at a fast pace for a long time. Plus, the combined forces of HE WHO KILLS OTHERS AT SIGHT Zhong Wanchou and 3 lower Evils could move a 2000+ jin rock.

    On the other hand, sealing the acupoints of, but not injuring, 50+ fighters in an instant, is pretty cool.
    TC to Ken: "You need to watch the ending of ROCH 83."

  18. #18
    Senior Member ChronoReverse's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Posts
    2,847

    Default

    1000jin is pretty much NOTHING really.

    GJ's blind master was able to twirl a 1000jin vat on the end of his staff O_O


    Executing the 50 sealing is pretty neat but not really super impressive since not all 50 were trying to kill MJ at the same time in a coordinated manner.

  19. #19
    Senior Member ChanceEncounter's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    1,239

    Default

    And yet "1000 Jin" was enough that ZBT didn't dare try to meet it head on and had to resort to using Vacant Fist to nullify it.

    It's dawned on me, Ke Zhen E > ZBT!!

  20. #20
    Senior Member PJ's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2002
    Posts
    17,981

    Default

    Yes, over the years I've been convinced that raw numbers are not very helpful in comparisons. It's all about the context. Context, context, Context. CcC.

    (which makes it damn hard to compare anything)_
    TC to Ken: "You need to watch the ending of ROCH 83."

Similar Threads

  1. Zhang Jia Ni - The "Dream" Girl
    By Tammy1CR in forum Actresses
    Replies: 69
    Last Post: 02-02-14, 04:41 PM
  2. Replies: 36
    Last Post: 05-03-11, 10:22 PM
  3. The Other Side of the Horizon
    By purifier in forum TVB Series
    Replies: 12
    Last Post: 02-27-10, 10:40 PM
  4. Replies: 1
    Last Post: 02-09-08, 04:12 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts