Should Jin Yong incorporate more references to DGSD in the Trilogy?

[PJ]

Up to the 2nd edition, In the Trilogy, there's hardly any mention of anything from DGSD, even though DGSD is sort of the precursor to LOCH. In fact there are probably more DGSD references in SPW than in the Trilogy. Whereas, L/ROCH references are everywhere in HSDS, making the continuity much smoother. I personally would prefer that at times in HSDS, when they refer to the past, they would include some DGSD characters. For example, when they say that "The past great Beggar's Union leaders have included Hong Qigong, Huang Rong, and Yelu Qi..." it might be nice if they included Xiao Feng in there too. After all, in the 3rd ed of LOCH, it is now said that Xiao Feng is the greatest hero in the history of Beggar's Union.

Things like that.

[Exodus]

XF is a must and also how awesome DY's 6msj was

[flamer]

I think I'm fine as it is.

Although passing comments can be made to 当年 but even that may be unnecessary.

[Extremer88]

Sometimes it seems that people like SM, XZ, DY are forgotten and not remembered for their martial arts exploits, and adventures and it really kind of hurts.

Their legacy wasn't as good as DGQB - in spite of Dugu never appearing before.

[flamer]

Well, I'm more into the idea of reading separate novels as separate novels. i don't want to feel that DGSD is a "prelude" to Trilogy or the SPW is a "sequel" to the Trilogy.

[tape]

I would approve of any increased mention of Xiao Feng

[sarakoth]

I think enough hints are dropped.

[ChanceEncounter]

I think enough hints are dropped.

I don't. There are far more hints of L/ROCH in HSDS, even though about as much time elapses between those too and HSDS as between DGSD and LOCH.

DGSD sometimes seems like its in a different continuity altogether, with all of the martial arts that make their sole appearance in that book.

[sarakoth]

I don't. There are far more hints of L/ROCH in HSDS, even though about as much time elapses between those too and HSDS as between DGSD and LOCH.

DGSD sometimes seems like its in a different continuity altogether, with all of the martial arts that make their sole appearance in that book.

But LOCH, ROCH, and HSDS are supposed to be a trilogy.

As for the martial arts only found in DGSD, the ones I can think of are gone for good enough reason.

[ChanceEncounter]

But LOCH, ROCH, and HSDS are supposed to be a trilogy.

As for the martial arts only found in DGSD, the ones I can think of are gone for good enough reason.

The fact that it's a 'trilogy' (an external cause) should not be reason for the internal characters to make plenty of references to each other.

[PJ]

As for the martial arts only found in DGSD, the ones I can think of are gone for good enough reason.

And yet, they magically reappear in SPW without explanation.

[sarakoth]

The fact that it's a 'trilogy' (an external cause) should not be reason for the internal characters to make plenty of references to each other.

There's enough evidence in LOCH to make certain that DGSD is in the same universe and takes place before it. I think JY had no intentioned of making DGSD part of a Condor Quartet.

[sarakoth]

And yet, they magically reappear in SPW without explanation.

If you're referring to BMSG, XZ and his descendants were probably just chilling in their palace until one day, one of them decided to take a stroll and fell to the seductions of an adventurous life in Jianghu.

[the.raven]

i think its good that 6MSJ was lost, i cant imagine the people of jiang hu in later times fghting over the manual for it, and once one of them gets it he starts to shoot PEW PEW PEW from his fingers.

as for BMSG, maybe RWX found the book? did DY destroy it?

[ChanceEncounter]

i think its good that 6MSJ was lost, i cant imagine the people of jiang hu in later times fghting over the manual for it, and once one of them gets it he starts to shoot PEW PEW PEW from his fingers.

as for BMSG, maybe RWX found the book? did DY destroy it?

They probably wouldn't be able to learn it. 6MSJ requires extreme, extreme internal to pull it off. Not too many people had that ability, and the people that did had abilities on the similar level. Case in point, Shi Potian's OTG ability was one of the most impressive in canon.

[bliss]

And yet, they magically reappear in SPW without explanation.

This is probably a direct result of XAJH being written right after DGSD. Since the trilogy was written before DGSD, even though Jin Yong can go back in his revisions to inject references, most would be somewhat superficial since the main plot points are already set.

[PJ]

This is probably a direct result of XAJH being written right after DGSD.

Yes, and hence why Linghu Chong got a mention in DOMD --> b/c DOMD was written right after SPW.

[chibidaisuke]

People that I definitely want to be mentioned will be XF, DY, and XZ. And maybe something about the Murong Family since they were once famous. Afterall there was once the 'North' Qiao Feng and 'South' Murong thing going on. It'd be even better if there were more mention of the Elites (XF, XYS, MRB, JMZ).

[CC]

Its not too hard for DY, XZ and XF to be brought into LOCH/ROCH.

DY :Yideng should have heard some clue about the amazing abilities of his Great-Daddy. After all, they were not some peasant farmer clan but a royal lineage which should have much better records and people to remember them.

XZ :No more Xiao Yao clan sure, but as he was directly responsible for imparting the Dragon Palms to the 15th or 16th (heck even 17th if you stretch it), then its not too hard for H7G (the 18th Leader) to have heard the legend.

XF: Whole damn wulin knew about him in the days, so easy enough to throw his name in almost anywhere.

[PJ]

More:

Jiumozhi, after losing all his martial arts, was said to have had a major influence in Tibetan Buddhism. GWM, Huodu, Daerba (2nd ed) must have benefited from Jiu.

Shaolin: got no mention in LOCH! Surely some connection could have been orchestrated.