Team War: Z3F+ZWJ+ZBT vs. XF+YG+GWM

[flamer]

I assume that no Great is able to kill another Great. Defeat yes, but kill no.

Is that possible? Is it possible to defeat but not kill? If I defeat someone, surely that person is under my power and I can kill him/her if I want.

[ChanceEncounter]

WXB always wins.

Always.

[wuyuejin]

Zhang Wuji and his seniors will win for sure as almost all the MA techniques they use have theirs roots in Taoism. This similarity in MA permits them to help each other better during the fight. And to say that ZSF is bad at attacking is totally wrong. His MA techniques may not produce spectacular effects of sending the enemy flying away for several meters or such but they're extremely deadly as shown when he delivered a palm with his left arm that killed the fake monk instantly. On the contrary, Xiao Feng blasted Ah Zhu who knew almost no MA at all away with the most powerful stance of XL18Z but somehow she was still able to survive for several minutes.

[yittz]

Zhang Wuji and his seniors will win for sure as almost all the MA techniques they use have theirs roots in Taoism. This similarity in MA permits them to help each other better during the fight. And to say that ZSF is bad at attacking is totally wrong. His MA techniques may not produce spectacular effects of sending the enemy flying away for several meters or such but they're extremely deadly as shown when he delivered a palm with his left arm that killed the fake monk instantly. On the contrary, Xiao Feng blasted Ah Zhu who knew almost no MA at all away with the most powerful stance of XL18Z but somehow she was still able to survive for several minutes.

Z3F feat reminded me of Sweeper's tap of death, soft and subtle. Z3F's strike was to the head, which is usually instantaneous drop to the ground, XF was to the body, which I guess take time to bleed out/stop beating. If XF's strike was to the head, poor ah zhu's face would have been flattened.

[augster123]

did ZBT learn the Big Dipper Formation from his senior brother WCY? or the lightness kungfu from 9 Yin Manual? if ZBT did learn formation skills from WCY, would it work well with the Zhangs?

will XF run outta gas against these 3 defensive juggernauts like he did in the past? can YG's mysterious Sad Palms overcome the boundless 9 Yang Shen Gong?

can Z3F, in his old age, utilize the long-standing advantage of the Taichi principle that should only get stronger as the match gets longer, with his well-refined internal energy?
can the advantage even exist if the battle becomes a short, fast and furious one? how likely is it that it would be a short Team War?

would MA theories matter at all in this MU? would battle experience count? which side has the advantages in those?

GWM, after losing to ZWJ in the "ZWJ vs GWM: battle of the chokemeisters" thread, will he finally score a good victory in this Team War?

after asking myself those questions and not knowing the answers to some of them, i have made my choice regardless.

[LuNaR]

when did we agree that ZWJ > GWM? thats crazy!!!

ZWJ has potential to do many thins but his personality kills him. name 1 person that is near great lvl that ZWJ beated!

[flamer]

ZWJ has potential to do many thins but his personality kills him. name 1 person that is near great lvl that ZWJ beated!

Thats the same for post 16 GJ. Same for Duan Yu, Xuzhu, Xiao Feng, Wuyazi. They did not actually defeat a Greats level fighter, or fight one for long enough.


What do you guys think about ZWJ's internal vs GWM's internal?

[yittz]

Thats the same for post 16 GJ. Same for Duan Yu, Xuzhu, Xiao Feng, Wuyazi. They did not actually defeat a Greats level fighter, or fight one for long enough.


What do you guys think about ZWJ's internal vs GWM's internal?

Agree with. ZWJ fought to a draw with 3 Du monks which were Great equivalent with their formation.

Both ZWJ and GWM had abundant internal, my feeling is ZWJ's 9Yang is better in quality than whatever backs up GWM.

[PJ]

name 1 person that is near great lvl that ZWJ beated!

Like flamer said, same thing can be said about Zhang Sanfeng, Huang Yaoshi, Hong Qigong, Ouyang Feng, Yideng, Xiao Feng, Jiumozhi, Murong Bo, Xiao Yuanshan, and most of the other Greats.

[LuNaR]

ok u guys win this arguement lol

[augster123]

when did we agree that ZWJ > GWM? thats crazy!!!

ZWJ has potential to do many thins but his personality kills him. name 1 person that is near great lvl that ZWJ beated!

well the general "feel" is that ZWJ's 9 Yang Divine Art is better than GWM's level 10 Dragon Elephant Prana ownage

if ZWJ only had Qian Kun Da Lo Yee, then i would give the edge to GWM. since Dragon Elephant Prana ownage is probably considered the better internal energy MA coming out from the "west" than Qian Kun Da Lo Yee. but that's not the case.
and let's not forget techniques, ZWJ, has Taichi MA background, being taught by Z3F himself, and every now and then, if his unyielding defense brings an opening from the opponents, he can throw out the Shaolin Dragon Claws / 7 Injury Fists.

either way, any of the 3 offensive dudes can't recklessly attack the tight defense and reveal an opening, else ZWJ nails them.

[flamer]

well the general "feel" is that ZWJ's 9 Yang Divine Art is better than GWM's level 10 Dragon Elephant Prana ownage

if ZWJ only had Qian Kun Da Lo Yee, then i would give the edge to GWM. since Dragon Elephant Prana ownage is probably considered the better internal energy MA coming out from the "west" than Qian Kun Da Lo Yee. but that's not the case.
and let's not forget techniques, ZWJ, has Taichi MA background, being taught by Z3F himself, and every now and then, if his unyielding defense brings an opening from the opponents, he can throw out the Shaolin Dragon Claws / 7 Injury Fists.

But I've always thought QKDNY is purely external with no internal cultivation. Although it requires great internal to learn it.

If ZWJ's 9 Yang > Lvl 10 Prana... then it would be saying ZWJ's internal > YG's internal (I believe so )

[LuNaR]

well the general "feel" is that ZWJ's 9 Yang Divine Art is better than GWM's level 10 Dragon Elephant Prana ownage

if ZWJ only had Qian Kun Da Lo Yee, then i would give the edge to GWM. since Dragon Elephant Prana ownage is probably considered the better internal energy MA coming out from the "west" than Qian Kun Da Lo Yee. but that's not the case.
and let's not forget techniques, ZWJ, has Taichi MA background, being taught by Z3F himself, and every now and then, if his unyielding defense brings an opening from the opponents, he can throw out the Shaolin Dragon Claws / 7 Injury Fists.

either way, any of the 3 offensive dudes can't recklessly attack the tight defense and reveal an opening, else ZWJ nails them.

i always thought the dragon elephant prana was 2nd to hui juk's move. im pretty sure neither GJ or YG cant handle a dragon elephant prana straight up palm on palm, so i doubt ZWJ can.

also ZWJ knowing lots of technique isnt always a plus if he doesnt know how to combine it. cause from my memory, the young YG knew a lot of techniques too, but still sucked because he didnt know how to combine it until GWM (hehehehe) told him how to or something.

[wuyuejin]

^ Zhang Wuji directly took on the combined force of 24 Tibetan monks or the combined force of the 3 Divine Monks of Shaolin. I'm not sure whether the powers generated by those combinations were more formidable than whatever Goldie could deliver but at least those details show ZWJ's capability of dealing with brute force. Futhermore he didnt just know and use the techniques as individuals, it was said in the novel that with the help of Zhang Sanfeng he had integrated all the techniques he'd learnt into a single whole.

[flamer]

I also feel that ZWJ may be more able to take on brute force than anyone else because of QKDNY and his own amazing internal.

[PJ]

Goldie will drag his team down.

[Ken Cheng]

Goldie will drag his team down.

Ah, Golden Wheel Monk: can't win with him - can't win without him.

[odbayarb2000]

Who will obey who

XF, YG and GWM, all will not listen to each other obediently in the first place. But GWM knows the fact that YG is as cunning as a fox. So he will silently listen to him. He himself also very deceitful so he knows what to do in the dangerous situations. XF is very straightforward so he will not like GWM's dishonest attitude. But he will be inspired by YG's handsome and heroic look. YG will also like him very much. They will make a excellent friends and partners. So XF will eventually give away the leader's position to YG who poses a brilliant intelligence.


For the defensive specialists, Zhang the Real Man will undoubtedly mount on the leader's chair. Zhang Wuji will listen to him and follow his orders. The Old Urchin is actually not the part of the team. He will not claim the leader's position nor he will obey the leader. This way things will be most interesting to him, isn't it?

Who will fight who

So both teams have decided who will lead and make decisions. let's first look at defensive side's strategy.

Things are pretty tough to their side as they have two very old men and an inexperienced young man. Battling for hours will not do good to them since Oldies will be tired out. So Old Zhang understands that they need to finish this fight as fast as possible. But his and Young Zhang ultimate skills tend to be in the defensive side. He knows that other Oldie has pretty decent offensive techniques but he can't tell it will be enough to destroy any of the opponents. His ultimate goal is to take out one of the other guys then three against two will make life much easier. His source of intelligence will come from Old Urchin since Old Urchin was acquainted with two of the opponents. Old Urchin will be itching to fight YG. Because he wanted to see the remaining sad palms. So he will tell that YG is no good and he will sure win. But Zhang doubts his words but let him fight YG as a nature of Taoism. Old Urchin is little uncomfortable with Goldie's palms so he will tell that GWM is the most dangerous of the opposing three. Zhang Wuji will claim that he will fight GWM since he is very considered over well-being of his Tai Shifu. Therefore their decision will be ZBT vs YG, ZW vs GWM, ZSF vs XF.

YG anticipates the Old Urchins desire and he also knows the fact that Goldie and Oldie had a fight previously. The fight was likely to drag for over a thousand stances to decide the winner. Their fight will be pretty much a deadlock for a time being. So he will ask Goldie to fight Old Urchin which will let Old Urchin to trouble over his desire. His ultimate goal is to prolong the fight. He is confident in himself and Goldie that they can fight for prolonged time but he is little worried over XF's internal. But he doesn't know his situation for sure. His tactic is to switch the opponents during the fight. Keeping Old Urchin with Goldie in a deadlock, he will switch opponents with XF and unleash the fieriness of palms. They will wait until Old Zhang to tire out.


more to come...

[Extremer88]

But I've always thought QKDNY is purely external with no internal cultivation. Although it requires great internal to learn it.

I don't feel that QKDNY is purely external. QKNDY contains a “心法“ (internal energy guide) in it.

After ZWJ mastered 9Yang, he had an abundance of raw strength in him, in which no one is on par with him (in terms of raw strength). He didn't know how to utilise it because he didn't have an expert around to guide him or give him pointers.

Upon reading QKDNY, he could unleash his abundance of raw strength for practical usage. (pushing the boulder, etc.)

[Extremer88]

At the moment, even WXB gets more votes than Z3F+ZWJ+ZBT combined.