Hong Lung 18 Palms vs. 1 Yeung Finger Technique: so many golden opportunities missed

[Ken Cheng]

Possibly the two most famous and popular martial arts to appear in the Jin Yong canon were the Hong Lung 18 Palms and the 1 Yeung Finger Technique. Both are very well known and acclaimed "mainstream" martial arts that were featured in no fewer than four Jin Yong novels and were usually the signature martial arts of either main protagonists (i.e. Kiu Fung, Deun Yu, Gwok Jing) or Greats (i.e. North Beggar Hung 7 Gung and South Emperor Deun Chi Hing/1 Deng). Both martial arts were known to be extremely powerful, and typically, the wielders of Hong Lung 18 Palms and 1 Yeung Finger Technique were well-acquainted with one another.

For all that, however, we have never really seen a good showdown between a Hong Lung 18 Palms user and a 1 Yeung Finger Technique user. The closest we came was Kiu Fung vs. Deun Yin Hing in DGSD, but neither combatant really used his signature technique in a direct manner during that brief "duel" of theirs. Ostensibly, Hung 7 Gung and Deun Chi Hing used the techniques against one another at some point during the First Mt. Hua Sword Tournament, but that tournament occurred "off camera," with no details given.

That leaves us really wanting for a good showdown between an expert Hong Lung 18 Palms user and an equally expert 1 Yeung Finger Technique expert with both combatants using his respective technique in a direct manner against one another. It's a golden opportunity missed on multiple occassions, in my opinion.

[smrter_v]

Wouldn't Yat Deng (Duen Wangyeh at the time) have used it against H7G at the 1st Wahsan Tournament? I suppose with all the combatants it'd have been a chaotic FFA, but surely at some point Yat Deng used Yi Yeung Zi against H7G and H7G used Hong Lung 18 Jeurng against Yat Deng?

[Ken Cheng]

Wouldn't Yat Deng (Duen Wangyeh at the time) have used it against H7G at the 1st Wahsan Tournament? I suppose with all the combatants it'd have been a chaotic FFA, but surely at some point Yat Deng used Yi Yeung Zi against H7G and H7G used Hong Lung 18 Jeurng against Yat Deng?

I'm pretty sure they did too, but we never got to see it in detail.

[CC]

I am more interested to see Dragon Palms vs Flaming Blade Hand actually.

[PJ]

I'm interested in seeing XL18Z against the palm style that is hailed as "the most advanced palm style of all" (literally).

Anyone want to guess what that is?

[Ken Cheng]

I'm interested in seeing XL18Z against the palm style that is hailed as "the most advanced palm style of all" (literally).

Anyone want to guess what that is?

Knowing you, it must be something that stops time or turns the universe upside down or something.

[PJ]

Knowing you, it must be something that stops time or turns the universe upside down or something.

Hint, it's one of the 72 Supreme Arts of Shaolin.

[Ken Cheng]

Hint, it's one of the 72 Supreme Arts of Shaolin.

Mighty Gum Gwong Palms? We saw that take on Hong Lung 18/28 Palms already in DGSD.

Or are you talking about the *Buddhist* Palm, which is one of those universe-shifting techniques?

[PJ]

Hint #2, this is the palm style which performed the famous feat of Slicing a piece of bronze out of a cauldron in the shape of a palm.

Hint #3, this palm style is confirmed to not be bound by any limitation.

Doesn't that sound like the best thing since sliced bread?

[flamer]

Not 72 Arts, we all know they are overrated...

般若掌?

[K2Grey]

Prana Palm

but I second XL18Z vs Jiumozhi's Flaming Blade Palm, the latter always seemed super incredible to me

[ChronoReverse]

Meh. What's so impressive about punching a palm-shaped hole in an unmoving, bronze cauldron?

RWX was able to tear through special armor that was impervious to weapons (indicating it was tougher than mere bronze) and he didn't even use a special technique. Plus it was a moving live pugilist instead of a dead stationary object. RWX was just that badassed.

[flamer]

Was RWX tearing through plate armour or just tearing through whatever's holding pieces of the armour together?

[ChronoReverse]

What would be the point of telling us that the perpetrator must be RWX because the victim was wearing a special armor that was super tough if it turns out RWX just took apart the pins? That would be an epic failure of narration right there.


AFAIK, it only says that RWX managed to pull out the heart using his hands. So I suppose it's even possible that RWX killed the victim, took off the armor and then pulled out the heart if it comes down to it. Of course, it makes the elders look like idiots since they were thinking only someone like RWX could do something like that.

[flamer]

What would be the point of telling us that the perpetrator must be RWX because the victim was wearing a special armor that was super tough if it turns out RWX just took apart the pins? That would be an epic failure of narration right there.


AFAIK, it only says that RWX managed to pull out the heart using his hands. So I suppose it's even possible that RWX killed the victim, took off the armor and then pulled out the heart if it comes down to it. Of course, it makes the elders look like idiots since they were thinking only someone like RWX could do something like that.

I've never read SPW so can you direct me to that passage? I mean its still clearly ripping an armour to pieces if I broke it into pieces, but I don't do so by bending and trying to break solid bits. You're right, if RWX killed the guy then took off the armour then took the heart, it would be a failure of narration, thus that probably didn't happen.

[wuyuejin]

Meh. What's so impressive about punching a palm-shaped hole in an unmoving, bronze cauldron?

RWX was able to tear through special armor that was impervious to weapons (indicating it was tougher than mere bronze) and he didn't even use a special technique. Plus it was a moving live pugilist instead of a dead stationary object. RWX was just that badassed.

That's a mistranslation! Heres the Chinese text: [鲍大楚道：“薛香主一身金钟罩、铁布衫的横练功夫，寻常刀剑也砍他不入，可是给人五指插入胸膛，将一颗心硬生生的挖了出去。除了这厮之外，当世更无第二人… …”]. 金钟罩 and 铁布衫 are NOT special armors. Theyre 2 famous Shaolin external qigong-based martial arts. Their names when translated in2 English are Golden Bell Coat and Iron Shirt.

[flamer]

That's a mistranslation! Heres the Chinese text: [鲍大楚道：“薛香主一身金钟罩、铁布衫的横练功夫，寻常刀剑也砍他不入，可是给人五指插入胸膛，将一颗心硬生生的挖了出去。除了这厮之外，当世更无第二人… …”]. 金钟罩 and 铁布衫 are NOT special armors. Theyre 2 famous Shaolin external qigong-based martial arts. Their names when translated in2 English are Golden Bell Coat and Iron Shirt.

LOL!!!

[PJ]

Meh. What's so impressive about punching a palm-shaped hole in an unmoving, bronze cauldron?

He did it with a super LDA.

[steer2justice]

Well, it is a opportunity missed, indeed, but strangely, while I was reading LOCH, I knew that 1 Yeung Finger Technique was powerful, but I never really put it very high in my list, although it, coupled with the First Heaven Art, could defeat West Poison before he became mad, I still didn't think very highly of it. Hong Lung 18 Palms is the more mainstream martial art, with two protagonists wielding it, and they are the ones that people really respect, along with its reputation as a powerful art. There are some people that know of Hong Lung 18 Palms, but have never read the novel or seen the adaptations too, so I would think it's more famous in that regard.

Definitely, an epic showdown between people using those skills would definitely make for a good read/watch, but there are so many other skills that have never clashed, and missed good opportunities in that regard, so I would still look forward to the battle, but I don't actively want it. Well, just my two cents, really.

[CFT]

Did the 4 students of Yideng not use Yiyangzhi against GJ when he tried to gain access to Yideng in order to heal Huang Rong's injuries at the hands of Qiu Qianren?