New Heavenly Sword Dragon Sabre'09/10- Deng Chao, Ady An, Liu Jing

[sunnysnow]

Pics of Yin Liting brining little ZZR to E'mei. The child actress looks really sweet and dainty.
http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kz=536395103

[chb88]

Pics of Yin Liting brining little ZZR to E'mei. The child actress looks really sweet and dainty.
http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kz=536395103

she does but...
ahhh y did they have to make her eyebrows so big and thick??
they keep making ZZR more and more disappointing

[TiffTiff]

Thank you Sunny for the updates

Why does YLT takes little ZZR to Emei, shouldn't ZSF takes her???

I have some questions about the 3 HSDS books, especially the ending. I assume JY revised it 3 times? HSDS novel readers please help.

The very first one that was adapted to series was the version w/ Liza and Adam right? In that version, Liza as ZM died, so was that the original ending for the very first HSDS book???? Or TVB was creative and let ZM died, and let ZM walked near her grave again and let ZWJ see her and chase after her??? Leaving us thinking did ZM really die, or was that ZM, or could it be ZWJ was imagining/hallucinating things?

In the 1986 version with Tony & Kitty. Toward the end, during the attack on Shaolin, Sheren/ZZR jumped out and saved Kitty/ZM an arrow, well, ZM's brother was aiming the arrow at ZM to kill her, and ZZR saved her, does that part happen in any book version????
Or once again, TVB was creative and put that part in??? . In that version, after ZZR catch an arrow for ZM, she was deeply wounded, and end up disable, well, she can't walk, but she was still the leader of Emei.

For the 2000 version, I don't recall the part where ZZR saved an arrow for ZM, but, ZZR was attacked by the 2 brothers and ZM came out to save her, and she pocket-picking ZZR, and got the military secrets (in the heaven sword and dragon sabre contains both the military secrets and the 9 Yin thing) . ZM gave that military instructions/tips/strategy to ZWJ, so he can come up with plan to defeat the Mongolian. I thought TVB did a really bad job with that part, it was like a 5-second battle, while the 1986 version actually showed some battle/fighting scenes for a few minutes.

So the ending was ZZR lost all of her memory, went to live with SQS near the Han river, which book edition is that???

The 2003 version, ZZR was still the leader of Emei, and ZWJ took ZM to Fire Island and they stayed there, which book version is that?

And please correct me if I'm wrong, if I forget or mixed up any details from one adaptation to another.

[chb88]

according to wuxiapedia.com

orginal:
In the original edition, Zhou Zhiruo accompanied Zhang Wuji to Wudang, where Zhang Sanfeng confronted her with a sword and declared that he could not allow Guo Xiang's legacy to end in such a disastrous manner, especially after Zhou Zhiruo had so flamboyantly displayed her cruel martial arts techniques in a bid for supremacy. Zhou Zhiruo then turned and asked Zhang Wuji which clan he belonged to. Zhang Wuji admitted having learnt martial arts from many sources, but he did not really belong to any clan. So Zhou Zhiruo invoked the single wish that Zhang Wuji owed her, and asked him to take over the leadership of the E-mei School.
After Zhang Wuji agreed, he received a manual of Guo Xiang's martial arts techniques and the two broken halves of the Heaven Sword. Then, he moved to Mount E-mei and resigned from the leadership of the Ming Sect. Zhou Zhiruo became a nun. The story ended with Zhao Ming invoking her third and last wish, i.e. to have Zhang Wuji draw her eyebrows.



2nd:
Zhou Zhiruo did not give up her leadership of the E-mei School. Zhang Wuji resigned from the leadership of the Ming Sect after being tricked by Zhu Yuanzhang (the alleged Ming Sect freedom-fighter who eventually became the first emperor of the Ming Dynasty). As Zhao Min (Ed: see item #7 below) invoked her third and last wish of having her eyebrows drawn, Zhou Zhiruo appeared and told them that she would use her single wish on the day of Zhang Wuji's wedding with Zhao Min.


3rd:
Zhou Zhiruo's wish was that Zhang Wuji could not marry Zhao Min, Zhang Wuji complied. However, he added that without being married it would not prevent him from loving her or having children with her. Zhou Zhiruo did not mind that. In the end Zhang Wuji was thinking who he loved most (all 4 girls), he really did not know the answer. This does NOT mean, he will leave Zhao Min. Because he knows very well the sacrifices Zhao Min made for him.



http://wuxiapedia.com/novels/jin_yon...2nd_ed_changes
http://wuxiapedia.com/novels/jin_yon...3rd_ed_changes

[tweety365]

chb88 - thanks for researching the info! it's a very nice summary.

i think out of all 3 edition, i like the 3rd version best. the closure seems more fitting than the other 2.
so to sum it up, none of the tv adaptions followed the endings in any of the editions. how disheartening.

[ChineseChik525]

according to wuxiapedia.com

orginal:
In the original edition, Zhou Zhiruo accompanied Zhang Wuji to Wudang, where Zhang Sanfeng confronted her with a sword and declared that he could not allow Guo Xiang's legacy to end in such a disastrous manner, especially after Zhou Zhiruo had so flamboyantly displayed her cruel martial arts techniques in a bid for supremacy. Zhou Zhiruo then turned and asked Zhang Wuji which clan he belonged to. Zhang Wuji admitted having learnt martial arts from many sources, but he did not really belong to any clan. So Zhou Zhiruo invoked the single wish that Zhang Wuji owed her, and asked him to take over the leadership of the E-mei School.
After Zhang Wuji agreed, he received a manual of Guo Xiang's martial arts techniques and the two broken halves of the Heaven Sword. Then, he moved to Mount E-mei and resigned from the leadership of the Ming Sect. Zhou Zhiruo became a nun. The story ended with Zhao Ming invoking her third and last wish, i.e. to have Zhang Wuji draw her eyebrows.



2nd:
Zhou Zhiruo did not give up her leadership of the E-mei School. Zhang Wuji resigned from the leadership of the Ming Sect after being tricked by Zhu Yuanzhang (the alleged Ming Sect freedom-fighter who eventually became the first emperor of the Ming Dynasty). As Zhao Min (Ed: see item #7 below) invoked her third and last wish of having her eyebrows drawn, Zhou Zhiruo appeared and told them that she would use her single wish on the day of Zhang Wuji's wedding with Zhao Min.


3rd:
Zhou Zhiruo's wish was that Zhang Wuji could not marry Zhao Min, Zhang Wuji complied. However, he added that without being married it would not prevent him from loving her or having children with her. Zhou Zhiruo did not mind that. In the end Zhang Wuji was thinking who he loved most (all 4 girls), he really did not know the answer. This does NOT mean, he will leave Zhao Min. Because he knows very well the sacrifices Zhao Min made for him.



http://wuxiapedia.com/novels/jin_yon...2nd_ed_changes
http://wuxiapedia.com/novels/jin_yon...3rd_ed_changes

wow i just realized that none of the tv versions followed the books! ive never known that before...well that sucks. which ending do you think they'll use for this version? cause honestly, i dont really like any of these endings. i like the one in the 03 version where ZM and ZWJ just leave everything behind and go to fire ice island to live the rest of their lives.

[TiffTiff]

according to wuxiapedia.com

orginal:
In the original edition, Zhou Zhiruo accompanied Zhang Wuji to Wudang, where Zhang Sanfeng confronted her with a sword and declared that he could not allow Guo Xiang's legacy to end in such a disastrous manner, especially after Zhou Zhiruo had so flamboyantly displayed her cruel martial arts techniques in a bid for supremacy. Zhou Zhiruo then turned and asked Zhang Wuji which clan he belonged to. Zhang Wuji admitted having learnt martial arts from many sources, but he did not really belong to any clan. So Zhou Zhiruo invoked the single wish that Zhang Wuji owed her, and asked him to take over the leadership of the E-mei School.
After Zhang Wuji agreed, he received a manual of Guo Xiang's martial arts techniques and the two broken halves of the Heaven Sword. Then, he moved to Mount E-mei and resigned from the leadership of the Ming Sect. Zhou Zhiruo became a nun. The story ended with Zhao Ming invoking her third and last wish, i.e. to have Zhang Wuji draw her eyebrows.



2nd:
Zhou Zhiruo did not give up her leadership of the E-mei School. Zhang Wuji resigned from the leadership of the Ming Sect after being tricked by Zhu Yuanzhang (the alleged Ming Sect freedom-fighter who eventually became the first emperor of the Ming Dynasty). As Zhao Min (Ed: see item #7 below) invoked her third and last wish of having her eyebrows drawn, Zhou Zhiruo appeared and told them that she would use her single wish on the day of Zhang Wuji's wedding with Zhao Min.


3rd:
Zhou Zhiruo's wish was that Zhang Wuji could not marry Zhao Min, Zhang Wuji complied. However, he added that without being married it would not prevent him from loving her or having children with her. Zhou Zhiruo did not mind that. In the end Zhang Wuji was thinking who he loved most (all 4 girls), he really did not know the answer. This does NOT mean, he will leave Zhao Min. Because he knows very well the sacrifices Zhao Min made for him.



http://wuxiapedia.com/novels/jin_yon...2nd_ed_changes
http://wuxiapedia.com/novels/jin_yon...3rd_ed_changes

Wow, thank you for your research! I really appreciate it. Like what Chinese Chick said, none of the TV adaptations so far had follow any of the books' endings.
Maybe Sunny or Yanfeng might know which version of the book this version will follow

[sunnysnow]

Thank you Sunny for the updates

Why does YLT takes little ZZR to Emei, shouldn't ZSF takes her???

If I recall correctly, YLT was asked to bring ZZR to Emei (with a letter from ZSF requesting for MJ to accept ZZR) because of his "bond" with the sect- he was betrothed to Ji Xiaofu.

In the 1986 version with Tony & Kitty. Toward the end, during the attack on Shaolin, Sheren/ZZR jumped out and saved Kitty/ZM an arrow, well, ZM's brother was aiming the arrow at ZM to kill her, and ZZR saved her, does that part happen in any book version????
Or once again, TVB was creative and put that part in??? . In that version, after ZZR catch an arrow for ZM, she was deeply wounded, and end up disable, well, she can't walk, but she was still the leader of Emei.

This scene doesn't happen in any of the 3 novel editions.

For the 2000 version, I don't recall the part where ZZR saved an arrow for ZM, but, ZZR was attacked by the 2 brothers and ZM came out to save her, and she pocket-picking ZZR, and got the military secrets (in the heaven sword and dragon sabre contains both the military secrets and the 9 Yin thing) . ZM gave that military instructions/tips/strategy to ZWJ, so he can come up with plan to defeat the Mongolian. I thought TVB did a really bad job with that part, it was like a 5-second battle, while the 1986 version actually showed some battle/fighting scenes for a few minutes.

In the 2nd and 3rd editions (not sure about the 1st), ZZR was attacked by the Xuan Ming Elders after leaving Shaolin because the elders were after the 9 Yin manual. ZWJ and ZM went to her rescue. While ZWJ battled the elders, ZM went to aid the injured ZZR and in the process, secretly stole the Wu Mu war manual and 9 Yin manual from ZZR, after which she passed them to ZWJ.

Maybe Sunny or Yanfeng might know which version of the book this version will follow

I think ZJZ will adapt the 3rd edition. Not sure about DOMD since I've never read the novel but he followed the 3rd edition for his screen adaptations of ROCH and BXJ.

For those who are Chinese literate, you can read the endings for the 2nd and 3rd editions of HSDS (post 2 and 3) here:
http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kz=534941048

[sunnysnow]

Crew have arrived and started filming at Mt Wuyi. New pics uploaded by a fan
http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_4981708f0100c7m0.html
http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_4981708f0100c7mc.html

Li Shun looks lovely with her hair all let down! I have a feeling I wont be able to dislike DMJ in this version.

Also, Hu Dong (actor for Fan Yao) has uploaded pics onto his blog:
http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_4bfdfeb30100c3hb.html
http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_4bfdfeb30100byge.html
http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_4bfdfeb30100c3gy.html

New pics of MJ from Mt Wuyi. Apparently they're going to take off from where they left in Wudang and finish filming the climatic fight between ZWJ and the 6 Sects at Brightness Peak.





Credits: http://ent.hunantv.com/t/20090209/193711.html

[TiffTiff]

Woohu, thank you for the clarification and new updates, Sunny! You're the best

Fan Yao looks ok in his younger days but creepy with those scar/veins on though

Finally they are filming the battle scenes at Brightness Peak, yay!

I guess ZM is done with her scenes by now?

[yanfeng]

Hi guys,

Away for the weekend and wow- nice updates and posts!

chb88 thank you for giving us a synopsis of the different editions- and Sunnysnow, thanks for posting the 2nd edition ending!

I only have a 3rd edition book, and was fascinated to hear how different the endings for the 1st and 2nd edition were... actually I like the first ending the best. That ZWJ helps out ZZR in the end by taking on Er Mei (which also is some sort of circle closing since Wudang was started with the help of Guo Xiang, who eventually founded Er Mei, so it is fitting that a Wudang "descendent" eventually helps lead Er Mei!) Yet it also let's ZWJ have his happy-ever-after with ZM (I assume that drawing brows thing is pretty much a marriage.)

Though the 2nd edition is also cool: ZWJ still stuck by ZM , and is planning to be with her even if they can't be married... which is quite sweet.

The 3rd edition, as it turns out, has my least favorite ending- urggg... don't like them making ZWJ even more wishy washy than the original!

Fingers crossed we're wrong and ZJZ decides to follow the ending of one of the first 2 editions!

[Suet Seung]

Woohu, thank you for the clarification and new updates, Sunny! You're the best

Fan Yao looks ok in his younger days but creepy with those scar/veins on though

Finally they are filming the battle scenes at Brightness Peak, yay!

I guess ZM is done with her scenes by now?

Those aren't veins on his face. Those are scars on his face, so CK won't recognize him as one of the handsome heralds of the Ming Cult.

[yanfeng]

Wow Fan Yao looks cool! Lives up to the name of "Xiao Yao Er Xian" (Xiao Yao two deities/fairies- referring to how handsome Fan Yao and Yang Xiao were in their younger days)

And his disfigurement is very convincing- it really is difficult to recognize him after he got disfigured- unlike most versions where we get a cursory scar and one has to pretend not to recognize Fan Yao!

Perhaps this time we will get some nice character development here. I'm particularly curious to see if we get some scenes between him and ZM, since he was one of ZM's Shi-fu (and the one she most trusted, at least based on some of the other versions) since she was a child, and at the wedding scene ZM asks him, if it comes down to a fight, which side he would be on. Could be a good dramatic moment for the Fan Yao/ZM relationship!

Sunnysnow, agree that DMJ looks good! Actually my favorite picture of her was in the link you sent about YLT sending ZZR to Er Mei- further down a reply enclosed a picture of DMJ showing a young ZZR how to fight. It was sweet to see this DMJ shown to be caring of her little shi mei.

(Maybe they will give DMJ a little depth in this version and show her rift with ZZR to not be entirely her fault... perhaps being driven to it by her Shi-fu's bias?)

Thanks Sunny for the updates!

(BTW, the person who posted DMJ and other Er Mei people's pictures claims that Ady and DC are slated to appear tomorrow for filming and he might be implying that he'll try to get pictures of them- so we might be in luck!)

[yanfeng]

Article about HSDS: http://www.chinanews.com.cn/yl/ypkb/.../1552996.shtml

Interesting point is at the end of the article talking to Ady about her recent roles and crying in those roles.

She says crying takes energy both physical and mental and is more difficult than action scenes since she never uses eye drops. Not only are there different levels of crying, also for different characters she cries differently, e.g. Yun-er (in Yun Niang) is more innocent, so she cries unabashedly like a child, 兰嫣 is very strong, so her tears are colder, while ZM is a princess, and while there are very few crying scenes, because she has a deep sense of confidence and pride, even when she cries she cries with her face averted.

I thought that was an interesting bit of insight into how Ady approaches crying scenes.

[TiffTiff]

Hihihi Seut Seung, those long scars looks like veins though

Thank you yanfeng for the translation and new article

I remember ZM had an awesome chemistry with Fan Yao in the 1986 version, let's hope the same thing for this one.
Let's hope we will have a decent ending, leaving us viewers satisfy too .

DMJ looks too pretty to be an annoying and jealous character.

Hey, one of the pix from the fan's blog, there's Houyee, the guy from the costume department, I think

[sunnysnow]

(BTW, the person who posted DMJ and other Er Mei people's pictures claims that Ady and DC are slated to appear tomorrow for filming and he might be implying that he'll try to get pictures of them- so we might be in luck!)

Actually the blogger has uploaded some pics taken of Ady right after she does her make-up today
http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_4981708f0100c7up.html
No pics of Deng Chao due to undisclosed reasons but the blogger hints that the actor isn't very approachable and probably didn't allow any photo-taking.

Hey, one of the pix from the fan's blog, there's Houyee, the guy from the costume department, I think

Wow Tiff, what sharp eyes u have. It is YLWH indeed

BTW, some thoughts on Fan Yao. I dont find the actor very good-looking; at least not charming enough to play the character who is supposed to be a very handsome and dashing chap. But I guess i'll just have to make do and since Fan Yao appears disfigured most of the time, it doesnt really matter much i guess. I actually think Hu Dong looks better when disfigured as opposed to not. Nonetheless, he still looks better than the one in the 2003 version

BTW, there's a new clip (post 2) of Ady and DC rehearsing their lines during the wedding scene. We dont get to see Ady as her back is facing the camera but seems like someone beside her made her laugh and hence, caused her to mess up her lines.
http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kz=537923177

[TiffTiff]

Woohu, new pix, thank you Sunny

Seem like DC is not very friendly, huh? From Houyee's blog not posting his pix for a while, and now another fan hinted that DC is not very approachable

I thought Michael Tao as Fan Yao was good looking. The guy from 2003 version was handsome too. He still looked cool with his face disfigured.

[TiffTiff]

New update from one of the fan's blog (same blog that Sunny posted yesterday)

Pix of ZZR, she looks pretty good, offscreen so far

http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_4981708f0100c88h.html

[yanfeng]

Thanks Tifftiff for the pictures!

Like the last one of ZZR with a sword and also the one where she's on the horse in the water (hehehee... again, my feeling that horse-borne wuxia characters are cool! )

[sniffles]

Those are some lovely costumes she's wearing. I like the one in the last pic, where she's brandishing the sword - the sleeves look like they're woven of ribbons. Very unusual.