New Heavenly Sword Dragon Sabre'09/10- Deng Chao, Ady An, Liu Jing

[Ghaleon]

you guys always hype up the series like no tomorrow... well i hope the final product lives up to all this excitement :d

[yanfeng]

Ah Ganryu, it's not "hype" you're seeing, it's the "fervor of the faithful"!

Okay before I become branded as a fanatic, I would say this: There are definitely a few of us who are super-excited about this serial, and are happy to share our excitement! If we raise expectations beyond the merely mortal, then you'll have to forgive us our bright-eyed-and-bushy-tailed feelings (or join us and be happy... muah-ha-ha!).

Besides, can't be afraid of a little hope just because I'm scared of a little disappointment can I?!

[Ghaleon]

it's all good... i spent countless hours reading the entire thread from various series. they are a lot of fun. they make the wait for the acutal series less boring. it's also great seeing people's initial impressions before the release vs their impressions after they finish watching it. if nobody was discussing HSDS i wouldn't be that excited. but with all the people talking about it and getting excited over every picture, it makes me hyped as well anyway this thread has a long way to go before it can top ROCH's ROCH had a lot of hype....

[MysticDust]

it's all good... i spent countless hours reading the entire thread from various series. they are a lot of fun. they make the wait for the acutal series less boring. it's also great seeing people's initial impressions before the release vs their impressions after they finish watching it. if nobody was discussing HSDS i wouldn't be that excited. but with all the people talking about it and getting excited over every picture, it makes me hyped as well anyway this thread has a long way to go before it can top ROCH's ROCH had a lot of hype....

Actually this is the second thread for this series. The first had a lot of speculations on who will be who and a lot of discussion on who would best fit who. I am afraid HSDS was actually hyped up even before it's production was confirmed. If you get bored, you should really try to read through that thread and see for yourself. The hypeness of this series might actually be a closer contender to ROCH than you thought (in fact, it might turn out to be the winner as the series is not in post-production mode yet)

other thread: http://www.spcnet.tv/forums/showthre...heavenly+sword

[Ghaleon]

Actually this is the second thread for this series. The first had a lot of speculations on who will be who and a lot of discussion on who would best fit who. I am afraid HSDS was actually hyped up even before it's production was confirmed. If you get bored, you should really try to read through that thread and see for yourself. The hypeness of this series might actually be a closer contender to ROCH than you thought (in fact, it might turn out to be the winner as the series is not in post-production mode yet)

other thread: http://www.spcnet.tv/forums/showthre...heavenly+sword

Yeah i'll probably read it over my lunch tomorrow, thanks! So HSDS can actually match the hypness of ROCH? I guess it isn't too surprising since both HSDS and ROCH are two of the most adapted series ever.

[wuxiagurl]

I was wondering, how does Liu Jing manage filming 2 mega productions (HSDS and Three Kingdoms) at the same time? Did she already wrap up her part at Three Kingdoms? I was just watching one of the trailer for Three Kingdoms and admit I can't figure out which is her.

[MysticDust]

I was wondering, how does Liu Jing manage filming 2 mega productions (HSDS and Three Kingdoms) at the same time? Did she already wrap up her part at Three Kingdoms? I was just watching one of the trailer for Three Kingdoms and admit I can't figure out which is her.

I think she was DaQiao, but I could be wrong. Her role was not overly big and all her scenes were done filming for Three Kingdoms, b4 starting on this one, I think.

[yanfeng]

Yeah i'll probably read it over my lunch tomorrow, thanks! So HSDS can actually match the hypness of ROCH? I guess it isn't too surprising since both HSDS and ROCH are two of the most adapted series ever.

I always thought, without any data on ROCH though, that HSDS was the most small-screen adapted Jin Yong story. This is the 7th small-screen adaptation (78, 84, 86, 94, 00, 03 and now 09/10), how many small-screen adaptations did ROCH have?

Actually doesn't LOCH have quite a few variations, so if you count those as independent small-screen adaptations- if I recall right "Hua Shan Lun Jian" is one of those- I can see LOCH as being more adapted, though I don't recall ROCH as having the same number of variants?!

Book and Sword (SJECL) is another one that has been adapted quite a few times, so might be a contender!

[Ghaleon]

I always thought, without any data on ROCH though, that HSDS was the most small-screen adapted Jin Yong story. This is the 7th small-screen adaptation (78, 84, 86, 94, 00, 03 and now 09/10), how many small-screen adaptations did ROCH have?

Actually doesn't LOCH have quite a few variations, so if you count those as independent small-screen adaptations- if I recall right "Hua Shan Lun Jian" is one of those- I can see LOCH as being more adapted, though I don't recall ROCH as having the same number of variants?!

Book and Sword (SJECL) is another one that has been adapted quite a few times, so might be a contender!

Regarding ROCH TV series, there was the 1976 version, 1983 with andy lau, 1984 by taiwan, 1995 with louis koo, 98 by singapore, 98 by taiwan, ROCH anime by Japan, and the new 06 version with LYF. So that's about 8 if you count the anime as a TV series. otherwise ROCH and HSDS will be comparable.

[yanfeng]

Thanks for the info on ROCH- that's quite a few adaptations! Do you happen to know how many LOCH and Book & Sword small-screen adaptations there have been?

I'm also thinking with the many films that feature Dong Fang Bu Bai, do you think XAJH might be the most adapted big-screen Jin yong?

(Sorry, realized this is off-topic, no worries, back to HSDS next post! )

[Ghaleon]

LOCH might be third place. 1976 version, the famous 1983 version with Felix, 1988 version with Idy from Taiwan, 1994 version with Athena, the LYP 2003 version, and the brand new Hu Ge 2008 version. So that's about 6 versions.

i'm not sure about movies though. XAJH has two movies, swordsman I and II. LOCH had those weird non-related movies that bummed off their characters.

Ok back to HSDS :d HSDS > ROCH & LOCH I alwys find HSDS more exciting since it's more plot-driven than the other 2. The other 2 had better characters though.

[yanfeng]

What's clear is the popularity of the Condor trilogy!

(BTW, I just recently realized that condor is not a good translation of "Diao"... Condor refers specifically to the vultures in the New World- North and South America. It is possible that Golden Eagle is the better translation since these eagles are the birds that Kazakh falconers use to hunt in the Steppes of Mongolia... I'm guessing those are the fine birds that "Diao" refers to?)

HSDS has one movie too (starring Jet Li). And yeah LOCH has the most famous weird one (at least to the International audience) from auteur Wong Kar Wai. Book and Sword is reputed to have 7 TV versions as well (though one of them, not of the same name seems a little odd to me!)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boo...word#TV_Series

Interesting, though I love the side characters in LOCH a great deal (the 4 greats and Zhou Bo Tong are fabulous- in fact I think Hong Qi Gong and Huang Yao Shi, together with ZM and HQT are my favorite characters in the Jinyong world!) in LOCH, I actually didn't care for Guo Jing, and only somewhat for Huang Rong. So, ultimately it got painful to spend a lot of time in LOCH watching the main characters I wasn't so fond of.

Back to HSDS: Some Wu yi shan pictures- definitely adds to ZJZ's reputation for finding nice backdrops for his films! Like the first one with the clouds, then the one with the full moon, plus the waterfall one.

http://ent.qq.com/a/20090226/000395.htm

[TiffTiff]

I have 3 reasons to be excited about this remake b/c

1: I know HSDS by heart (well, somewhat), it was the very first wuxia series I've watch and remember the storyline . Somehow I could never understand and like the plot of LOCH & ROCH. I had no idea who Jin Yong was until a few years ago. My first time watching HSDS was the 1986 version and I still love it!

2: ZM is my favorite character, I like her more than HR or XLN or any other girls in Jin Yong's universe Another cool thing about HSDS was the switching roles, ZM was thought to be evil and turned out to be good, while ZZR was a goody two shoes then turned cruel and scary

3: Ady is one of my favorite actress, I have no idea why I likes her, I haven't seen much of her series, beside part of The Outsiders & Flying Fox. I stopped watching Chinese Paladin after episode 2 or 3, LYF was darn annoying and weak. I should of wait until Ady's character to appear, huh?
I guessed I came across Sunnysnow's thread on Ady and clicked on it, and saw many of her pix and started to like her . Maybe it was her long sexy legs and her big lovely eyes, and her friendly smile. Or maybe she looked fun to hang out with, and looked very pretty and natural in real life pictures compare to studio pix. Since I like ZM and now Ady is playing ZM, of course I have to be excited! Let's hope Ady can make it big for this series.

Very nice scenery yanfeng, thank you for the link . I thought if ZJZ would invest on the hairstyles and outfits for ZM & YSS a little, rather than spend so much on scenery though.

[flamer]

The article states that XZ is commanding the Ming army to fight against the other 6 sects at Brightness Peak because the Ming elders are all injured. I don't recall such a scene unless she does that while ZWJ is recuperating after being stabbed by ZZR?

Interesting, because I don't remember Xiao Zhao commanding Ming Sect people at Brightness Peak, much less in her non-ugly form. Well the other scene I was talking about was when the Ming Sect group of ZWJ, Wei Yixiao etc went to LuLiu Manor of Zhao Min's and got poisoned. Xiao Zhao directed a defense when ZWJ was away seeking the antidote.

[Ghaleon]

What's clear is the popularity of the Condor trilogy!

HSDS has one movie too (starring Jet Li). And yeah LOCH has the most famous weird one (at least to the International audience) from auteur Wong Kar Wai. Book and Sword is reputed to have 7 TV versions as well (though one of them, not of the same name seems a little odd to me!)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boo...word#TV_Series

Interesting, though I love the side characters in LOCH a great deal (the 4 greats and Zhou Bo Tong are fabulous- in fact I think Hong Qi Gong and Huang Yao Shi, together with ZM and HQT are my favorite characters in the Jinyong world!) in LOCH, I actually didn't care for Guo Jing, and only somewhat for Huang Rong. So, ultimately it got painful to spend a lot of time in LOCH watching the main characters I wasn't so fond of.

Oh yeah. Condor Trilogy as a whole is the most popular wuxia TV series by far. You aren't a true wuxia fan if you don't know about the condor trilogy. I also love the character in LOCH very much especially the side characters like Zhou Bo Tong and the Greats. I thought LOCH (and ROCH) had the best characters of any other wuxia story. It's great fun seeing how these different personalites interact with each other. But in terms of storyline, I like HSDS the best. The attack on the Ming Sect by the various orthodox schools (and ZWJ saving Ming Cult) is one of the most exciting moments in all of wuxia.

I have 3 reasons to be excited about this remake b/c

1: I know HSDS by heart (well, somewhat), it was the very first wuxia series I've watch and remember the storyline . Somehow I could never understand and like the plot of LOCH & ROCH. I had no idea who Jin Yong was until a few years ago. My first time watching HSDS was the 1986 version and I still love it!

2: ZM is my favorite character, I like her more than HR or XLN or any other girls in Jin Yong's universe Another cool thing about HSDS was the switching roles, ZM was thought to be evil and turned out to be good, while ZZR was a goody two shoes then turned cruel and scary

yeah the 1986 version is a classic. I guess ZM is a very fun character. My personal favorite character is ZZR. It's so sad seeing her succomb to the dark side by following her sifu's wishes. I think lot of male watchers like ZZR. It's funny that in most series they cast a very beautiful ZZR (usually more prettier than ZM in some cases) but in this version they cast a not so pretty one =\

[dictionary]

My personal favorite character is ZZR. It's so sad seeing her succomb to the dark side by following her sifu's wishes.

Her sifu's wishes aren't bad enough to turn ZZR into a dark character. But that's just my opinion. I share your disappointment though. Iono, I like to watch attractive women portray intriguing characters like ZZR.

[Ghaleon]

^ yeah same. i have a softspot for sweet girls becoming bad girls

[ChineseChik525]

And for ZM+ZWJ fans, some cool animations (post 1-3 and 11)
http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kz=544262598

i really like that picture! hehe, even if it is fake

[TiffTiff]

Ganryu, I've noticed that you've changed your avatar to the witchy, ghostly, evil, scary, heartless MJST, ahahahahahhaha

Based on some of the popular version of HSDS, I'm not talking about the non popular ones from Taiwan or Singapore versions, so far, imo, only 2 versions had ZZR looking prettier than ZM.

The very first version with Angie (ZZR), Adam (ZWJ) & Liza (ZM) was in 1978 and I thought Angie was prettier than Liza.

Kitty as ZM was prettier than Sheren ZZR too.

The Singapore version with Kathy (ZZR), Steven Ma (ZWJ) & Cecilia (ZM), Kathy was also a lot prettier than Cecilia too. Well, it was a bad version to begin with, too much eye-widening and screaming in the dialog.

Other versions such as the movie with Jet Li, sorry, Gigi Lai as ZZR was not as sexy as Sharla Cheung as ZM

Gigi Lai as ZM vs. Charmaine Sheh as ZZR, oh boy, Charmaine can't be compare to Gigi in term of beauty, Charmaine can hold Gigi's shoes That's the Vietnamese term for comparing something that has no match, way out of reach

I thought Alyssa was cuter than Gao Yuan Yuan too. GYY always seemed to be so sad.

For this version, yeah, I think ZM is prettier than ZZR too, if only ZM had more attractive hair, ughhhhh

Chinese Chick, that kissing pix

was from these 2 pix combine, I think, from page 11 of this thread, credit to Sunny

[Ghaleon]

Ganryu, I've noticed that you've changed your avatar to the witchy, ghostly, evil, scary, heartless MJST, ahahahahahhaha

Based on some of the popular version of HSDS, I'm not talking about the non popular ones from Taiwan or Singapore versions, so far, imo, only 2 versions had ZZR looking prettier than ZM.

The very first version with Angie (ZZR), Adam (ZWJ) & Liza (ZM) was in 1978 and I thought Angie was prettier than Liza.

Kitty as ZM was prettier than Sheren ZZR too.

The Singapore version with Kathy (ZZR), Steven Ma (ZWJ) & Cecilia (ZM), Kathy was also a lot prettier than Cecilia too. Well, it was a bad version to begin with, too much eye-widening and screaming in the dialog.

Other versions such as the movie with Jet Li, sorry, Gigi Lai as ZZR was not as sexy as Sharla Cheung as ZM

Gigi Lai as ZM vs. Charmaine Sheh as ZZR, oh boy, Charmaine can't be compare to Gigi in term of beauty, Charmaine can hold Gigi's shoes That's the Vietnamese term for comparing something that has no match, way out of reach

I thought Alyssa was cuter than Gao Yuan Yuan too. GYY always seemed to be so sad.

For this version, yeah, I think ZM is prettier than ZZR too, if only ZM had more attractive hair, ughhhhh

ok....... ZZR vs ZM in terms of prettiness

GYY is the most pretty ZZR ever. She's prettier than Alyssa



I thought Sheren was prettier than Kitty in HSDS 86.



I agree with you that Kathy Chow was prettier than Cecilia.

In the Jet Li movie, Gigi Lai's ZZR was lot more sexier than Sharla's ZM.

So because of that i also agree with you that Gigi's ZM was prettier than Charmaine's ZZR



So for me, besides HSDS 2000, the other versions had a prettier ZZR

Even my mean avatar thinks that GYY's ZZR is the prettiest, even more pretty than all the ZZR and ZM's in previous adaptations

This version's ZZR is...... =\ ZM is definitely more prettier in this version.