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    By Dr. Ira Longini, a specialist in the mathematical and statistical theory of epidemics:

    suggests that if those infected stay at home or seek medical care, public meeting places are closed, and anti-flu medications are made widely available, then in simulations the sickness is reduced by nearly two-thirds. "The name of the game is to slow transmission until a well-matched vaccine can be made and distributed. I am fairly optimistic we can do that"

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    Something of interest:

    MEXICO CITY (AFP)-- Mexican President Felipe Calderon said late Monday his country saved thousands of lives worldwide by taking the lead in the "global battle" against the swine flu virus, as he promised measures to return life to normal.
    Let's all kowtow to world saviour Mexico.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guo Xiang View Post
    Something of interest:



    Let's all kowtow to world saviour Mexico.
    yeah right....

    The crisis started off in mexico and the warnings weren't fast enough, the detection system was deluged in a season of flu.

    The mexican government and WHO deserves some blame for the spread of the flu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rosely View Post
    By Dr. Ira Longini, a specialist in the mathematical and statistical theory of epidemics:
    Which genius is that when a proper working vaccine takes 6 months to develop?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Han Solo View Post
    Which genius is that when a proper working vaccine takes 6 months to develop?

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    WTH, did you even read what he/she said about the other things

    "The name of the game is to slow transmission until a well-matched vaccine can be made and distributed"

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    Anyway that guy is not a ****ing genius doctor (MD), he is a Chaos Theory expert and he/she is applying his/her theory on those available variables (vaccine available etc). Damn, where is House when you really need him
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    Quote Originally Posted by rosely View Post
    Anyway that guy is not a ****ing genius doctor (MD), he is a Chaos Theory expert and he/she is applying his/her theory on those available variables (vaccine available etc). Damn, where is House when you really need him
    The thing is that a pandemic at the scale of the Spanish Flu will kills lots even before any vaccine can be deployed.

    A conservative estimate time for a vaccine to be developed safely is 6 months- the virus needs to be studied, and vaccines that are safe needs to be tested etc.

    What your quote suggest is that we just wait it out until a vaccine is made available. That is simply not practicable.

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    Mexico is fail. Two kids in US diagnosed with a new flu with elements of swine, bird and human, were traced back to a trip to Mexico, before Mexicans had a clue on what's going on, other than saying 100+ people died from a influenza like illness.

    I think Roses is talking about R value. Trying to keep it as low as possible. If it's less than 1, then the epidemic is about to be over. By decreasing the number of contacts, the R value decreases.
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    It's funny how 90 people get the swine flu and everyone wears face masks, but over millions have aids and no one wears a condom. Pass it on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kay &!* View Post
    It's funny how 90 people get the swine flu and everyone wears face masks, but over millions have aids and no one wears a condom. Pass it on.
    zzz, you should say over millions have aids, and no one listen's to TC and his abstinence preaching. Afterall condom is like only 99% protective, abstinence is 100%.

    Are their people wearing masks in US? I've only seen one person doing so in Aus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yittz View Post
    zzz, you should say over millions have aids, and no one listen's to TC and his abstinence preaching. Afterall condom is like only 99% protective, abstinence is 100%.

    Are their people wearing masks in US? I've only seen one person doing so in Aus.
    HAHA.

    oh, i don't know, i saw that on my friend's facebook status and found it funny/true so decided to post it on here. even if people aren't wearing face masks, people are still being hella paranoid
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    I really think this whole thing is an over-reaction... for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Han Solo View Post
    yeah right....

    The crisis started off in mexico and the warnings weren't fast enough, the detection system was deluged in a season of flu.

    The mexican government and WHO deserves some blame for the spread of the flu.

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    i tot the flu started in Canada.
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    Well some pple did say the day we have a black President is when pigs fly.......well looks like swine flew!(i lub Obama)


    BTW, the goverment just released a picture this morning showing how the swine flu all got started.

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    Ewwwwww LOL Akira! You funny guy!

    Hey Obama is doing his best, give the guy some credits!
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    nope..i don't think so..

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    Quote Originally Posted by yittz View Post
    zzz, you should say over millions have aids, and no one listen's to TC and his abstinence preaching. Afterall condom is like only 99% protective, abstinence is 100%.

    Are their people wearing masks in US? I've only seen one person doing so in Aus.
    You are entitle to your belief. If you don't believe in abstinence, don't practice it but other people have every right to do so. You can preaching on whatever you believe in. If you think unprotected sex and one night stand is good, you are entitle to do so and preaching about your belief. The truth is millions of people got the HIV virus every year through unprotected sex, something can be easily prevented. Freedom is good and important but actions have consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy8 View Post
    i tot the flu started in Canada.
    Started in mexico then spread to north america and europe etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Han Solo View Post
    The thing is that a pandemic at the scale of the Spanish Flu will kills lots even before any vaccine can be deployed.

    A conservative estimate time for a vaccine to be developed safely is 6 months- the virus needs to be studied, and vaccines that are safe needs to be tested etc.

    What your quote suggest is that we just wait it out until a vaccine is made available. That is simply not practicable.

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    What is the exact definition of "pandemic" anyway, at least when compared to "epidemic". This is really an overreaction, and certain countries are taking the opportunity to be protectionist in the name of protecting their people and livestock, or to even push their religious agenda.

    Seeing how this flu has been harmless so far (the death rate is really low, and the deaths in Mexico are most probably due to poor living standards), we should have the time to spend on working out a good vaccine.

    There was a swine flu outbreak in 1976, and the same panic happened. A vaccine was quickly produced and the result was:

    - swine flu killed one and hospitalised 13.
    - vaccine killed 25.

    And just yesterday, I was on the train and this woman beside me was wearing a face mask. There's not even 0.5 AH1N1 case here, and most of the deaths have occured in Mexico. I really don't understand the panic.
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    The Egyptians are making use of this opportunity to carry out terrorism acts on their own pigs.

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