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    Quote Originally Posted by charbydis View Post
    Wait!!! Didn't he cheat on his wife with Yvonne Lam (???), who was his kept woman for eons? Then she left him for a younger guy who then died.
    Oh, I forgot this part liao. Sorry.
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    when i think TVB villain, i immediately think of 3 of the ones you guys have just named.

    1) Adam Cheng in Greed of Man
    2) MKW in LOCH
    3) Deric Wan in The Breaking Point ( I actually never saw Looking Back in Anger)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghaleon View Post
    Yeah that's true, FCY 07 was more menacing gangsta boss but LD's FCY was a more fully realized character.
    BUND characters tend to be interesting psychological case studies. It's one of the qualities that separated this drama from all others.

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    Famous “Ding” in TVB

    Ding Lik in The Bund
    Ding You Hong in Looking Back in Anger
    Ding Hai in The Greed of Man

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWhiteRed View Post
    Famous “Ding” in TVB

    Ding Lik in The Bund
    Ding You Hong in Looking Back in Anger
    Ding Hai in The Greed of Man
    They do like that surname, don't they?

    I haven't actually met anyone with the surname "Ding." I know they're out there, but I really haven't personally met anybody with this surname.

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    I think TVB's version of FGY was more of the hypocritical and double-faced sacry villians that could eat you without you knowing. He had that darkness and ruthlessness of a gangster background, the slyness of a businessman, and yet he showed gentleness when it came to his daughter.

    The newer version's just could nto compare. he was a bad rich guy who had an annoying look. Lau Dan's portrayal was way more scarier and realistic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charbydis View Post
    I think TVB's version of FGY was more of the hypocritical and double-faced sacry villians that could eat you without you knowing. He had that darkness and ruthlessness of a gangster background, the slyness of a businessman, and yet he showed gentleness when it came to his daughter.

    The newer version's just could nto compare. he was a bad rich guy who had an annoying look. Lau Dan's portrayal was way more scarier and realistic.
    Agreed. The thing that made Lau Dan's Fung Ging Yiu so compelling is that although he was absolutely ruthless, he hid it behind a nice guy image and a gentleman's facade. The first impression that a person gets from meeting Fung Ging Yiu (Lau Dan version) is that he's a sociable, friendly, generous guy who's a great boss to work for. On some level, he really *is* those things. At the same time, however, beneath that glittering surface is a man ruled by ambition and fear (of losing what he has), and has no moral compunctions about eliminating those who get in his way.

    In a way, Fung Ging Yiu was a sort of personification for 1930s Shanghai itself.

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    What about the Fung Ging Yiu potrayed by Poon Chi Man in the TVB remake starring Sunny Chan and Nnadia Chan?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidd View Post
    What about the Fung Ging Yiu potrayed by Poon Chi Man in the TVB remake starring Sunny Chan and Nnadia Chan?
    From what little I saw, this version of Fung Ging Yiu was, like the 2007 version, nothing special. He was competent and got the job done as far as providing the villain role, but didn't provide for a deeper characterization.

    I won't blame the actor for this, however. Even with a great actor, it's up to the scriptwriter and the director.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    They do like that surname, don't they?

    I haven't actually met anyone with the surname "Ding." I know they're out there, but I really haven't personally met anybody with this surname.
    Interesting.

    I also haven't met my (Chinese-Thai) friends with the surname "Ding".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    Agreed. The thing that made Lau Dan's Fung Ging Yiu so compelling is that although he was absolutely ruthless, he hid it behind a nice guy image and a gentleman's facade. The first impression that a person gets from meeting Fung Ging Yiu (Lau Dan version) is that he's a sociable, friendly, generous guy who's a great boss to work for. On some level, he really *is* those things. At the same time, however, beneath that glittering surface is a man ruled by ambition and fear (of losing what he has), and has no moral compunctions about eliminating those who get in his way.

    In a way, Fung Ging Yiu was a sort of personification for 1930s Shanghai itself.
    Yeah it was really interesting. He actually was a friendly guy as long as his business status in Shanghai isn't in jeopardy. All characters in the Bund have some sort of villain traits in them. That's what made this show good. All characters weren't your typical good guy and bad guy. You had characters that were very real and so real that these type of ppl probably exist. FGY is a prime example. Oh boy do i miss the days where TVB had great character development.
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    Quote Originally Posted by almo89 View Post
    Yeah it was really interesting. He actually was a friendly guy as long as his business status in Shanghai isn't in jeopardy. All characters in the Bund have some sort of villain traits in them. That's what made this show good. All characters weren't your typical good guy and bad guy. You had characters that were very real and so real that these type of ppl probably exist. FGY is a prime example. Oh boy do i miss the days where TVB had great character development.
    Fung Ging Yiu expected and demanded complete loyalty from his followers, and those who proved disloyal (i.e. Hui Mun Keung) would face his ruthless wrath. To those who were loyal to him, however, Fung Ging Yiu reciprocated with great generosity: he treated Ding Lik and Uncle Chang (Chang Suk) very well, and even when Fung was to retire to Tianjin, Uncle Chang wanted to continue serving him (and wanted to avenge him after he had been killed by Hui Mun Keung). A man who is purely ruthless would not win such devotion from his followers. There was clearly a generous side to Fung Ging Yiu that won him the loyalty of his men.

    That's what made Fung Ging Yiu such a great villain; he wasn't some cartoon villain who was all-evil, all-the-time. He had great humanity to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    They do like that surname, don't they?

    I haven't actually met anyone with the surname "Ding." I know they're out there, but I really haven't personally met anybody with this surname.
    My maternal aunt is married my uncle-in-law with a surname Ding.

    I just finished rewatching (last night) The Challenge of Life with Sean Lau, Leon Lai, Frankie Lam and personally think Frankie Lam's character is scum! Not exactly THE best acting compared to the other villains listed above, but personally thought he was born without compassion. He only served himself.

    Does anyone know who played Leon Lai's father? It's so sad, neither father or son got to be reunited (all thanks to Frankie's character).
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    Nevermind. I found out the actor's name is 方剛 / Fong Gong. He plays a lot of villian roles from what I've seen. A very intimidating and scary performance from him in the beginning of The Challenge of Life, but he sorta soften up to Fake Long (Frankie).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suet Seung View Post
    Nevermind. I found out the actor's name is 方剛 / Fong Gong. He plays a lot of villian roles from what I've seen. A very intimidating and scary performance from him in the beginning of The Challenge of Life, but he sorta soften up to Fake Long (Frankie).
    I never really liked the guy's acting. It always seemed a little too over the top and his face was always nasty
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suet Seung View Post
    Nevermind. I found out the actor's name is 方剛 / Fong Gong. He plays a lot of villian roles from what I've seen. A very intimidating and scary performance from him in the beginning of The Challenge of Life, but he sorta soften up to Fake Long (Frankie).
    He was super scary in ATV's ""The Silver Tycoon"though. But he's not a layered villian, more like super-duper-100% villian.
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    Gallen Lo in Cold Blood Warm Heart - the way he died with that sneer on his face made it even worse..
    Deric Wan in Looking Back in Anger - almost as bad as Gallen, but while Gallen was intelligent and resourceful, Deric was actually quite incompetent, which made him more pathetic and annoying
    Kenneth Chang in The Final Verdict - unrepentant, brash and arrogant, although it could be argued that it was his insecurity with Adam Cheng around which made him so hostile - unlike the other two, he spent most of the series as a rich man with power and money, so he didn't have that kind of greedy ambition which the other two had. However, he more than made up for it with his ruthlessness.

    I've never watched Greed of Man, but I've heard nothing but praise for Adam's role (not the character, obviously).

    I can't think of any wuxia villain which generates the same amount of contempt as these modern villains, maybe becaues wuxia villains are more stereotype, while the modern ones hit closer to home. Most hateable I can think of is probably Pang Hang from Rosy Business, but even that character's flaws pale in comparison to his flaws in his roles in Moonlight Resonance and Heart of Greed.

    Hugo Ng in the "Kim Mor Dook Goo Kau Pai" was vey very dislikeable, but then again the serial was hardly a good one, and so probably can't compare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charbydis View Post
    He was super scary in ATV's ""The Silver Tycoon"though. But he's not a layered villian, more like super-duper-100% villian.
    Yeah, I saw him in that one too. I don't like non-layered villians. I saw him in another series with Lydia Sum too, where he was forced to marry her? I dunno. He portrays so many evil villains, but his picture on the profile page he actually looks like a nice person. There goes the difference between reality and fiction.

    My mom is going through a Leon Lai fandom since she recently watch Song Bird, so after watching The Challenge of Life, we're watching The Breaking Point.
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    I don't understand why Deric doesn't just go up to Leon and ask if Leon's feelings and Kathy's feelings are mutual before looking jealous and punching people. And becoming evil?
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    Lawrence Ng has already been mentioned for Feud Of Two Brothers & The Grand Canal. However, I think his performance in Heaven's Retribution deserves a honorable mention. The character was despicable and annoying. However, near the end when he went insane, I did felt some pity for him. He played a lunatic quite well.

    Heaven's Retribution is one of my all time favorite series. Neither ATV or TVB has produced anything remotely as interesting in the last decade. IMO anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suet Seung View Post
    Yeah, I saw him in that one too. I don't like non-layered villians. I saw him in another series with Lydia Sum too, where he was forced to marry her? I dunno. He portrays so many evil villains, but his picture on the profile page he actually looks like a nice person. There goes the difference between reality and fiction.

    My mom is going through a Leon Lai fandom since she recently watch Song Bird, so after watching The Challenge of Life, we're watching The Breaking Point.
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    I don't understand why Deric doesn't just go up to Leon and ask if Leon's feelings and Kathy's feelings are mutual before looking jealous and punching people. And becoming evil?
    Fong Gong is the dude's name. Haven't seen the guy for ages. I think the series you are talking about is called "Hung Moon". Apparently, Idy and Fong Gong were a dating couple in the series (?? weird match??) but that Lydia was a rich man's daughter so he scarificed his love to marry Lydia for her money. Then he tried to kill her or something like that.

    As for your question about "Breaking Point":
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    I think Deric's over-reaction was due to the shock and hurt cos he really cared for both and Kathy and according to Kathy's words, it seemed like they cheated on him. It was a great blow to his ego - Deric was an outwardly confident but inwardly unconfident person. He hated to be looked down on and to lose, especially to Leon who he considered inferior to him even though they were friends.

    To Deric, Kathy was more like a trophy wife. He like her a lot, but he like to show her off. Her dumping of him in the middle of thei rengagement party before of all his friends, colleagues and boss affected him greatly. He was ridiculed by his workmates and his boss listened to them and reduced his workload. Plus, Deric didn't get why he was suddenly dumped cos up to a few days before, Kathy and him were still a loving couple.

    He suffered a lot and so when he was offered a reason for the breakup, he accepted it without doubt and wanted to find someone to blame. That's just his personality - he likes to play victim and blame others for his loss.

    I think Deric's character was such a great villian because we all felt sorry for him at first and he started off as a pretty decent guy. It was mainly Kathy's fault for acting all lovey-dovey with him, sleeping with him and accepting his proposal, and then wake up one day and say she can't accept him anymore. It was like she wanted to play his feelings all along.

    We all felt for him when he married Angela when she got pregnant to sace her an abortion, even though he didn't love her. It was a shame, because he and angela really had a chance to be happy if he accepted her. But once he found out Leon "cheated" him, his attitude towards her changed and he started to take out his anger on her, eventually pushing her to her "suicide".
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