even though Giggs had a hand in both goals he was absolutely non existent in the game... i thought Carrick made a statement of intent to find a place back in midfield..united always play crappy defensive football in Europe and the game plan was no surprise..Arsenal totally dominated their game against Olympiakos. The score line would have been huge if it weren't for their keeper and Arsenals lack of a better striker than RVP...Chelsea seem to be going through the motions and but shockers were Liverpool who totally lost the plot and Milan..well Italian teams have been in a rut of late(Fiorentina aside)