Sad Palms, emphasis on power or techniques?

[flamer]

There are some skills that are clearly more dependent on techniques and some more on internal (power). Dog Beating Stick and Dragon Palms are good examples of each. So where do you think YG's Sad Palms fall under?

他由此深思，创出了一套
完整的掌法，出手与寻常武功大异，厉害之处，全在内力，一共是一十七招。

However in instances we've seen, against ZBT and GWM, it seems like it's always the technique and tricky nature of the palms winning it praise and fights.

[Exodus]

A good balance between raw power and exquisite technique of the highest order so powerful than it can defeat any great when used by YG to the fullest potential

[WuxiaMaster]

Defeat a great within a few blows when under extreme sadness.

[odbayarb2000]

I believe Sad Palm isn't only restricted to palms only. There were mentions of stance which was based on Soul Altering Technique of Nine Yin.

Sad Palm is collection of best martial arts that YG knew. He put them together and created new coordinated moves. I am not sure how he channeled his internal with Sad Palm stances. Having forms in Sad Palm, YG clearly didn't pursue Dugu's martial arts philosophy.

Why he created new martial art with forms instead of pursuing Dugu's philosophy?

[PJ]

Defeat a great within a few blows when under extreme sadness.

That's nothing compared to being able to Turn the Universe Upside Down (TM).

[pannonian]

That's nothing compared to being able to Turn the Universe Upside Down (TM).

Even if the universe were turned upside down, Zhang Sanfeng would be able to turn it back the right way again, if his heart so desired.

[Ken Cheng]

Defeat a great within a few blows when under extreme sadness.

When victory happens (for anyone), it happens in a single blow.

But why do we ignore the hundreds or even thousands of exchanges that led up to it?

When Sai Mun Chui Sheut defeated Yip Goo Sing in LUK SIU FUNG, it all happened in one stroke. Does that mean that SMCS was *vastly* superior to YGS in swordsmanship?

[PJ]

Even if the universe were turned upside down, Zhang Sanfeng would be able to turn it back the right way again, if his heart so desired.

Zhang Sanfeng was nevertheless bound by the limitation of circumstances. But Yang Xiao defied circumstances on not one, but TWO, separate occasions. Therefore, given a task that could not be accomplished under any circumstance, Yang Xiao can still accomplish it.

[CancerLuna]

When victory happens (for anyone), it happens in a single blow.

But why do we ignore the hundreds or even thousands of exchanges that led up to it?

When Sai Mun Chui Sheut defeated Yip Goo Sing in LUK SIU FUNG, it all happened in one stroke. Does that mean that SMCS was *vastly* superior to YGS in swordsmanship?

It went from gradually winning hundreds of stances using his weaker palms to winning within a few palms usiing his Sad Palms at full power.

[Ken Cheng]

It went from gradually winning hundreds of stances using his weaker palms to winning within a few palms usiing his Sad Palms at full power.

With Little Dragon Girl alive, well, and at Yeung Gor's side again, that particular level of Sad Palms more or less went extinct immediately after its use.

Moreover, how badly "beaten" was the Golden Wheel Monk? He got knocked off the tower, but based on an earlier discussion we had on this topic, he wasn't mortally wounded or even that badly hurt. Theoretically, if he hadn't had an epiphany and decided to sacrifice himself to save Gwok Seung's life (or, in earlier editions, get finished off by Chow Bak Tung and the burning tower), the Golden Wheel Monk could have continued that fight. He hadn't been definitively beaten yet.

[tape]

He wasn't definitively DEAD yet, but he was beaten for sure.

[pannonian]

With Little Dragon Girl alive, well, and at Yeung Gor's side again, that particular level of Sad Palms more or less went extinct immediately after its use.

Moreover, how badly "beaten" was the Golden Wheel Monk? He got knocked off the tower, but based on an earlier discussion we had on this topic, he wasn't mortally wounded or even that badly hurt. Theoretically, if he hadn't had an epiphany and decided to sacrifice himself to save Gwok Seung's life (or, in earlier editions, get finished off by Chow Bak Tung and the burning tower), the Golden Wheel Monk could have continued that fight. He hadn't been definitively beaten yet.

Coughing blood, so internal injuries. Probably a fair bit worse than how his palm clash with Guo Jing at the Heroes' Meeting left him, when his refusal to yield (unlike Guo Jing) left him helpless for a while. Might not be as bad as the fight with Huang Rong and co, when a rock fell on his back and left him severely injured for a good long while. The closest example I can think of from the Trilogy would be when Kong/Gang Xiang left Zhang Sanfeng severely injured and unable to really exercise his internal without a long period of rest. Maybe Yideng after Ci 'En attacked him.

[kyss of the sword]

sad palms actually are based totally on inner power usage. the techniques go against normal martial arts principles because yang guo had lost an arm and would be disadvantaged fighting like other fighers. so he created a use whole body type martial arts. since every strike has great power, he doesn't need to have better techniques, through the strangeness of the techniques tend to be effective.

[Banh Mi]

I'm not well read in this. But we take it that the effectiveness of his sad palm power is directly correlated to how sad he is.

So isn't that a measure of power? His sadness is pretty much the internal power driving it. I can hardly imagine being sad channels your technique to be more fluent and sharp.

[Ren Wo Xing]

Not directly correlated per se; some techniques cannot be executed to their fullest potential when he is happy. It isn't as though it scales to add infinity, or as though his internal power increases by XXX when he is sad.

[Banh Mi]

Oh, how is it then? I always had it in my mind that he converted the sadness into energy. Sounded like the most plausible thing explanation at the time.

[kyss of the sword]

sad palms requires anxiety to release the full power of the moves. withoput anxiety, the power release is reduced.

[ChronoReverse]

This isn't Ranma. Sadness isn't a source of energy you can tap to launch super powerful palms or energy balls.

It is, for YG and his Sad Palms, a key requirement to utilizing Sad Palms. If you don't understand some of the emotions, you can't even use some of the palms (see ZBT). Without the right state of mind, the full power of the palms aren't unleashed. You don't need to be super sad or anything, you just can't be feeling peachy like YG was after he was reunited with XLN.

[WuxiaMaster]

Do you think YG can beat Sweeper with Sad Palms if Sweeper KO XLN in front of him?

[Ken Cheng]

Do you think YG can beat Sweeper with Sad Palms if Sweeper KO XLN in front of him?

No. We've already established that that's *not* how Sad Palms works.