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    In 1977, Polanski, then aged 44, became embroiled in a scandal involving 13-year-old Samantha Gailey (now Samantha Geimer).

    ... According to Geimer, Polanski asked Geimer's mother if he could photograph the girl for the French edition of Vogue, which Polanski had been invited to guest-edit... According to Geimer in a 2003 interview, "Everything was going fine; then he asked me to change, well, in front of him."

    ... "We did photos with me drinking champagne," Geimer says. "Toward the end it got a little scary, and I realized he had other intentions and I knew I was not where I should be. I just didn't quite know how to get myself out of there." She recalled in a 2003 interview that she began to feel uncomfortable after he asked her to lie down on a bed, and how she attempted to resist. "I said, 'No, no. I don't want to go in there. No, I don't want to do this. No!', and then I didn't know what else to do," she stated, adding: "We were alone and I didn’t know what else would happen if I made a scene. So I was just scared, and after giving some resistance, I figured well, I guess I’ll get to come home after this".[34]

    Geimer testified that Polanski gave her a combination of champagne and quaaludes,[35] a sedative drug, and "despite her protests, he performed oral sex, intercourse and sodomy on her",[36][37][38] each time after being told 'no' and being asked to stop.[39][40][41][42]
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    Polanski was initially charged[43] with rape by use of drugs, perversion, sodomy, lewd and lascivious act upon a child under 14, and furnishing a controlled substance (methaqualone) to a minor. These charges were dismissed under the terms of his plea bargain, and he pleaded guilty to the lesser charge of engaging in unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor.[44]

    ... Polanski fled initially to London on February 1, 1978, where he maintained residency. A day later he traveled on to France, where he held citizenship, avoiding the risk of extradition to the U.S. by Britain.

    ... On September 26, 2009, Polanski was arrested by Swiss police at Zürich Airport while trying to enter Switzerland, in relation to his outstanding 1978 U.S. arrest warrant. Polanski had hoped to attend the Zurich Film Festival to receive a Lifetime Achievement Award.[57][58] The arrest followed a request by the United States that Switzerland apprehend Polanski.

    ... In reaction to the arrest, the foreign ministers of both France and Poland urged Switzerland to release Polanski, who holds dual citizenship of both countries.[64]
    An article on Wall Street Journal on the rush of Hollywood to Polanski's aid:
    Hollywood Justice - The rush to support Roman Polanski shows how isolated the entertainment industry is from the rest of the world.
    ... Nowadays you practically have to kill somebody to get blacklisted in Hollywood. Mere rape, by contrast, scarcely jiggles the needle of outrage. Producer Harvey Weinstein actually went so far as to describe Mr. Polanski's odious conduct as a "so-called crime." The names of such noted filmmakers as Mr. Allen, Jonathan Demme, Michael Mann, Sam Mendes, Mike Nichols, Martin Scorsese and Steven Soderbergh can be found on an international petition whose 100-plus signers "demand the immediate release of Roman Polanski." Equally predictable was the response of European bureaucrats such as French culture minister Frédéric Mitterrand, who called Mr. Polanski's arrest "absolutely dreadful," adding that it made "no sense" for him to be "thrown to the lions for an ancient story."
    Whoopi Goldberg was among the most outspoken of Polanski's defenders, "It was something else but I don't believe it was rape-rape."
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    The list of celebrities who signed the initial petition to "free Polanski now":
    Polanski petition signatories, as of September 29th:
    Fatih Akin
    Stephane Allagnon
    Woody Allen
    Pedro Almodovar
    Wes Anderson
    Jean-Jacques Annaud
    Alexandre Arcady
    Fanny Ardant
    Asia Argento
    Darren Aronofsky
    Olivier Assayas
    Alexander Astruc
    Gabriel Auer
    Luc Barnier
    Christophe Barratier
    Xavier Beauvois
    Liria Begeja
    Gilles Behat
    Jean-Jacques Beineix
    Marco Bellochio
    Monica Bellucci
    Djamel Bennecib
    Giuseppe Bertolucci
    Patrick Bouchitey
    Paul Boujenah
    Jacques Bral
    Patrick Braoudé
    Andre Buytaers
    Christian Carion
    Henning Carlsen
    Jean-Michel Carre
    Patrice Chereau
    Elie Chouraqui
    Souleymane Cisse
    Alain Corneau
    Jerome Cornuau
    Miguel Courtois
    Dominique Crevecoeur
    Alfonso Cuaron
    Luc et Jean-Pierre Dardenne
    Jonathan Demme
    Alexandre Desplat
    Rosalinde et Michel Deville
    Georges Dybman
    Jacques Fansten
    Joël Farges
    Gianluca Farinelli
    Jacques Fansten
    Etienne Faure
    Michel Ferry
    Scott Foundas
    Stephen Frears
    Thierry Fremaux
    Sam Gabarski
    René Gainville
    Tony Gatlif
    Costa Gavras
    Jean-Marc Ghanassia
    Terry Gilliam
    Christian Gion
    Marc Guidoni
    Buck Henry
    David Heyman
    Laurent Heynemann
    Robert Hossein
    Jean-Loup Hubert
    Alejandro Gonzalez Inarritu
    Gilles Jacob
    Just Jaeckin
    Alain Jessua
    Pierre Jolivet
    Kent Jones
    Roger Kahane,
    Nelly Kaplan
    Wong Kar Waï
    Ladislas Kijno
    Harmony Korine
    Jan Kounen
    Diane Kurys
    Emir Kusturica
    John Landis
    Claude Lanzmann
    André Larquié
    Vinciane Lecocq
    Patrice Leconte
    Claude Lelouch
    Gérard Lenne
    David Lynch
    Michael Mann
    François Margolin
    Jean-Pierre Marois
    Tonie Marshall
    Mario Martone
    Nicolas Mauvernay
    Radu Mihaileanu
    Claude Miller
    Mario Monicelli
    Jeanne Moreau
    Sandra Nicolier
    Michel Ocelot
    Alexander Payne
    Richard Pena
    Michele Placido
    Philippe Radault
    Jean-Paul Rappeneau
    Raphael Rebibo
    Yasmina Reza
    Jacques Richard
    Laurence Roulet
    Walter Salles
    Jean-Paul Salomé
    Marc Sandberg
    Jerry Schatzberg
    Julian Schnabel
    Barbet Schroeder
    Ettore Scola
    Martin Scorcese
    Charlotte Silvera
    Abderrahmane Sissako
    Paolo Sorrentino
    Guillaume Stirn
    Tilda Swinton
    Jean-Charles Tacchella
    Radovan Tadic
    Danis Tanovic
    Bertrand Tavernier
    Cécile Telerman
    Alain Terzian
    Pascal Thomas
    Giuseppe Tornatore
    Serge Toubiana
    Nadine Trintignant
    Tom Tykwer
    Alexandre Tylski
    Betrand Van Effenterre
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    I heard about it and felt sick to my stomach. Those who signed the petition to free the old pervert should be ashamed of themselves. I'm not at all surprise to see Woody Allen on the list . How would they feel if someone close to them got drugged and raped? . My god, she was a 13 year old minor and he was a middle aged adult. Even if he had been sentenced to 10 years, I still say it's not something I would cry about. But the fact of the matter is that he served ZERO time for his crime. He already enjoyed his freedom for over 30 years.

    I know Hollywood is jaded and can be morally ambiguous, but to defend a such a disgusting coward is pretty low to me

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    The victim of this case has kindly requested an end to it ("I'm a mother now, no longer a 13 year old child"). I think it's time to let it go.
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    It's not a civil case. Once a case is in the criminal court, the victim has no power to stop the prosecution, and rightly so.

    Roman - he's cool enough to even make feminists say "hey it's cool, he only raped that girl whatsherface 30 years ago, no biggie". Look it up, it's farkin' insane!
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    I hope Switzerland send him to the US to face the justice.
    Polanski deserves to rot in jail. It's not a surprise that country like France supporting such criminal. That is why I dislike the lefty because they always support the criminals and don't give a shit about the victims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PJ View Post
    The victim of this case has kindly requested an end to it ("I'm a mother now, no longer a 13 year old child"). I think it's time to let it go.
    It's wonderful that the victim has forgiven the rat bastard and wants to put the past behind her. I'm sure she has endured enough pain and suffering all these years. However, like one attorney said, his crime was against society. So just because he managed to escape out of US doesn't mean he shouldn't be placed behind bars. The passage of time doesn't erase his heinous acts.

    People who can defend such a criminal are seriously messed up.

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    My impression of the petition for his release is that filmmakers are dissatisfied with the nature of the arrest, not necessarily that they support his past actions.
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    It's amazing that anyone in this day and age can defend Polanski's actions or support his release.
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    Quote Originally Posted by junny View Post
    It's amazing that anyone in this day and age can defend Polanski's actions or support his release.
    Agree 100%.

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    The petitioners have no idea what they are signing, and they don't care.

    As for the victim, sure it's great she's forgiven him and all that. We wish her all the best and blah blah blah, but hey, being a victim does not in any way place her voice above the law. Just because you suffered undeservedly does not mean you now deserve to be given special authority. Sorry Mrs. Geimer, this is not about you.

    This man pleaded guilty and fled from his sentence. The law should know what to do with him.
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    It's very sad that society is full of so many sick weirdos and even worse, there are people defending them.

    And to think that if criminals are caught and prosecuted, my tax money is still used to house them, feed them, and treat their illnesses. How wrong is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candide View Post
    Roman - he's cool enough to even make feminists say "hey it's cool, he only raped that girl whatsherface 30 years ago, no biggie". Look it up, it's farkin' insane!
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    Quote Originally Posted by expression View Post
    The petitioners have no idea what they are signing, and they don't care.

    As for the victim, sure it's great she's forgiven him and all that. We wish her all the best and blah blah blah, but hey, being a victim does not in any way place her voice above the law. Just because you suffered undeservedly does not mean you now deserve to be given special authority. Sorry Mrs. Geimer, this is not about you.

    This man pleaded guilty and fled from his sentence. The law should know what to do with him.
    That's odd, I read that the victim of the rape, Samatha Gailey, she didn't really forgive him, but decided to let things go because she didn't want to be in the media circus or whatever. She just wants to live in peace? I mean the media is on Polanski because the rape was made public finally, but the media is after her for coverage on her story too.

    http://www.momlogic.com/2009/09/chil...n_polanski.php

    I can't remember which article that said she hadn't forgotten what he done to her and that she hasn't forgiven him, but just wants to let it go and wants to live in peace?
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    Yeah she must be hounded down by the news, and what you say sounds actually more logical.

    But she was quoted as follow:
    In a 2003 interview,[48] Samantha Geimer said, "Straight up, what he did to me was wrong. But I wish he would return to America so the whole ordeal can be put to rest for both of us." Furthermore, "I'm sure if he could go back, he wouldn't do it again. He made a terrible mistake but he's paid for it." In 2008, Geimer stated in an interview that she wishes Polanski would be forgiven, "I think he's sorry, I think he knows it was wrong. I don't think he's a danger to society. I don't think he needs to be locked up forever and no one has ever come out ever — besides me — and accused him of anything. It was 30 years ago now. It's an unpleasant memory ... (but) I can live with it."[49]
    http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/people...giveness,30539

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suet Seung View Post
    That's odd, I read that the victim of the rape, Samatha Gailey, she didn't really forgive him, but decided to let things go because she didn't want to be in the media circus or whatever. She just wants to live in peace? I mean the media is on Polanski because the rape was made public finally, but the media is after her for coverage on her story too.

    http://www.momlogic.com/2009/09/chil...n_polanski.php

    I can't remember which article that said she hadn't forgotten what he done to her and that she hasn't forgiven him, but just wants to let it go and wants to live in peace?
    Considering the damage Polanski had done to her, I don't think so it can be easily forgiveable and buried away just like that (Not even Generous Georgina has the generousity to permit that). But I guess she is in great need to recover from this wound of nightmare even if it may deem impossible.

    So, yeah, to want to leave this behind and want live in peace seemed to be wrongly interpreted as she has forgiven that son of all scoundrel - Polanski - which, I can't in the life of mine, think it's possible after all that sodomisation sin of dickhead Polanski.
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    Polanski shouldn't have ran away in the first place. He's now rightfully arrested and charged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guo Xiang View Post
    Polanski shouldn't have ran away in the first place. He's now rightfully arrested and charged.
    His balls can't deal with the guilt, hence he ran away (to hide). The rightful arrest and charge was what he ultimated deserve. Let's wait and see how he would be dealt with.
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    have any of you watched the roman polanski documentary? from what i've watched and the articles i've read, i'd like to point out some things.

    1) the 13 year old girl was no saint. roman polanski wasn't her first, and she wasn't entirely unwilling to bed an older famous director to get ahead in her modeling career or break into acting.

    2) he was convicted of having sex with a minor, not rape.

    3) later evidence has shown that the judge in this case seriously mishandled it for his own personal gain.

    i think what many people have a problem with isn't that he should or should not serve time for his crime, but that switzerland and the united states decided now, somewhat randomly, to arrest and extradite him when he's been in and out of switzerland for so many years.
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    I haven't followed the case too closely, but I did watched bits and pieces of the documentary.

    To me, it doesn't matter what the girl had done before or after the incident. The fact that she said no and he kept forcing her was wrong. Proving rape is always very hard since it's one person's words against another.

    I heard how the judge mishandled the case. However, seeing that Polanski took off and refuse to come back to serve his time, I consider that a lame excuse. It's not like he was punished for something he didn't do.

    I think his arrest has everything to do with politics. There has to be some sort of benefit to Switzerland. Otherwise, why wait all this time to catch him? But it doesn't really matter to me. Just as long as he's caught.

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