JY Characters who could single-handedly took on more than one Greats at a time.

[timeless]

The most outstandingly note-worthy ones i can think of are:

1. Xiaofeng
2. Zhangwuji
3. Dongfangbubai


To further narrow down to measure combat prowess,
some further Criteria would be:

a. Must have Fought 2 or more Greats over a duration of time without being hurt.

b. Cannot have been defeated/injured by any single individual in any combat incidents before and after.

c. Dispensing of higher internal power to dispel another individual 's internal power does not qualifies as in the case of Sm, the Shaolin Janitor that is no a fair indication of martial prowess.

d. Sole reliance on objects , big or small, such as swords or needles to translate one's internal power without any actual direct battle contact. Eg, use of HIS or Dragon Sabre applies as in c.

[pannonian]

Maybe not b), but a sub-Great Guo Jing took on 3 Greats simultaneously.

[flamer]

c. Dispensing of higher internal power to dispel another individual 's internal power does not qualifies as in the case of Sm, the Shaolin Janitor that is not a fair indication of martial prowess.

Lol what? You are kidding right?

[Han Solo]

The most outstandingly note-worthy ones i can think of are:

1. Xiaofeng
2. Zhangwuji
3. Dongfangbubai


To further narrow down to measure combat prowess,
some further Criteria would be:

a. Must have Fought 2 or more Greats over a duration of time without being hurt.

b. Cannot have been defeated/injured by any single individual in any combat incidents before and after.

c. Dispensing of higher internal power to dispel another individual 's internal power does not qualifies as in the case of Sm, the Shaolin Janitor that is no a fair indication of martial prowess.

d. Sole reliance on objects , big or small, such as swords or needles to translate one's internal power without any actual direct battle contact. Eg, use of HIS or Dragon Sabre applies as in c.

Please point to me examples of the above 3 fighting with 2 greats over an extended period of time.

I can't think of a single instance where this is so.

Han Solo

[ChronoReverse]

Ironically he missed the poor young Guo Jing who had to deal with a four-way brawl with OYF, QQR and ZBT which turned into Guo Jing versus OYF and QQR followed by the obscene Guo Jing versus OYF, QQR and ZBT at the same time (albeit only for a few stances) without getting injured.

Sure, he had zero chance of winning (or even landing a blow for that matter) but he defended himself well.



Incidentally, the month of forced training with OYF just before this fight was probably the greatest leap of martial arts we see in young GJ. Utilizing the base he had from before (QZ internal and 9 Yin) along with the tremendous pressure he was under, GJ learned a great deal of the 9 Yin techniques as well as improved his ability in general. This was the point where he changed from a fighter who could take a few stances from a Great (if the Great was taking it easy) to one who could hold out for long periods of time and even be a threat if the Great isn't careful.

It's interesting how this one is usually forgotten just like how it's forgotten that the narrator states that it was only LZ who *thought* GJ gained a powerup from the snake blood (when it was XL18P that was the power).

[pannonian]

Incidentally, the month of forced training with OYF just before this fight was probably the greatest leap of martial arts we see in young GJ. Utilizing the base he had from before (QZ internal and 9 Yin) along with the tremendous pressure he was under, GJ learned a great deal of the 9 Yin techniques as well as improved his ability in general. This was the point where he changed from a fighter who could take a few stances from a Great (if the Great was taking it easy) to one who could hold out for long periods of time and even be a threat if the Great isn't careful.

It's telling that, even without hindsight, Guo Jing judged that Ouyang Feng would take longer to beat him than Zhou Botong would take to beat Qiu Qianren. What does this do to power ratings?

[Ken Cheng]

Ironically he missed the poor young Guo Jing who had to deal with a four-way brawl with OYF, QQR and ZBT which turned into Guo Jing versus OYF and QQR followed by the obscene Guo Jing versus OYF, QQR and ZBT at the same time (albeit only for a few stances) without getting injured.

Sure, he had zero chance of winning (or even landing a blow for that matter) but he defended himself well.



Incidentally, the month of forced training with OYF just before this fight was probably the greatest leap of martial arts we see in young GJ. Utilizing the base he had from before (QZ internal and 9 Yin) along with the tremendous pressure he was under, GJ learned a great deal of the 9 Yin techniques as well as improved his ability in general. This was the point where he changed from a fighter who could take a few stances from a Great (if the Great was taking it easy) to one who could hold out for long periods of time and even be a threat if the Great isn't careful.

It's interesting how this one is usually forgotten just like how it's forgotten that the narrator states that it was only LZ who *thought* GJ gained a powerup from the snake blood (when it was XL18P that was the power).

Oversights such as this are precisely why Gwok Jing is in need of a glorification thread. Everybody knows about Kiu Fung's one-man demolition of 200+ warriors at Tsui Yin Manor, Yeung Gor's takedown of two Greats on two separate occasions with the Heavy Iron Sword, or (Damo help us) the Janitor Monk's infamous tap attacks, but EVERYBODY forgets about some of the extraordinary feats that the young Gwok Jing pulls off in LOCH.

[PJ]

Lord Long and Lord Mu of Gallant Island are often considered LOCH Great level. Yet the 2 lords combined could not even scratch OCEAN LEAPER Shi Potian!

He is truly incredible.

[Ken Cheng]

Lord Long and Lord Mu of Gallant Island are often considered LOCH Great level. Yet the 2 lords combined could not even scratch OCEAN LEAPER Shi Potian!

He is truly incredible.

Sadly for them, only a comparative minority of fans give a damn about their novel.

[PJ]

Sadly for them, only a comparative minority of fans give a damn about their novel.

It makes for good discussion when people are tired of Guo Jing and Yang Guo.

[pannonian]

Sadly for them, only a comparative minority of fans give a damn about their novel.

That might change once Abhay finishes his translation.

[timeless]

... but EVERYBODY forgets about some of the extraordinary feats that the young Gwok Jing pulls off in LOCH.

You are forgetting that those feats were quickie defensive take-ons.

Btw, shouldn't Gj be disqualified because he had been defeated before by the small handful of Mongol engaged foreign mercenaries (2-3 raters). The key criteria again are: never been defeated by numbers or bested/equalled by someone of higher or equal internal power/ martial prowess.

[ChronoReverse]

Yeah, he was defeated when he had to go save YG (who was faking it). Up to that point, he didn't get injured and was even about to get cleanly away.

[Ken Cheng]

It makes for good discussion when people are tired of Guo Jing and Yang Guo.

Yeah...as if.

[timeless]

Yeah, he was defeated when he had to go save YG (who was faking it). Up to that point, he didn't get injured and was even about to get cleanly away.

And don't forget to mention that it was actually Yg who saved his life from those 3rd raters or our Gdh would have been killed.

[Ken Cheng]

And don't forget to mention that it was actually Yg who saved his life from those 3rd raters or our Gdh would have been killed.

He wouldn't have been in trouble in the first place if not for Yeung Gor, so no points for Mr. One-Arm here.

[PJ]

Not to mention, it was really the dignified sacrifice of Feng Mofeng that saved Guo and Yang.

[yittz]

Not to mention, it was really the dignified sacrifice of Feng Mofeng that saved Guo and Yang.

Not to mention Feng Mo Feng is the weakest of all HYS's former students and had to train by himself for 25+ years.

Seriously, wtf is the point of this thread? I am a huge fan of ZWJ, but no way am I deluded into thinking that he should be in a list exemplifying martial arts prowess while GJ is left out for one reason or another. Since when did ZWJ take on multiple greats? He had trouble taking on 3 persian fighters and was hit pretty early in the encounters, despite ZWJ's defensive skill set, I doubt he can take on multiple greats.

And Sweeper monk is left out, because of high internal -> biggest LOL. How can you be sure that he has bigger internal? The taps are clearly about better technique, he did not palm them to death with his wealth of internal energy, nor did DFBB speed styles where enemies couldn't see the tap. Another fail attempt and underrating Sweeper. The TV DGSD I've watched have never overrated Sweeper, only in one did they weaken Sweeper to make MRB the boss.

[ChronoReverse]

I like how he disqualifies young GJ for an incident that occurs in the far future where he is injured through treachery while at the same time pushing forward ZWJ as an example.

[goodrick]

I believe Jinlun Fawang also took on Yi Deng, Zhou Botong and Huang Yaoshi around near the end of ROCH, did he not?