More shark controversy

[Ren Wo Xing]

Yup, I can't stand it. No fish, no shrimp, no crab...nada.

[Trien Chieu]

I have never even seen YM or AG make public announcements about not eating shark fin or any liberal issue. I have never even watched An Inconvenient Truth. I don't even watch much TV.

I don't care for the NAACP either. Have never read any of their material.

My belief in progressive ideology is an innate belief in equality and in not initiating evil unto others, and not influenced by anyone. (Against those who initiate evil upon others, however, I have no problem with using violence as deterence or defense)

You either bring up law or bring up celebrities like a broken record. I think you can give it a rest.

Well, I don't know whether you have any connection with Yao Ming, Al Gore, NAACP, and those civil right leaders, but you speak like most of their hard core followers. You keep talking about how bad shark fin is, environment, and slavery.

Then, don't vote during election. Because everyone else has made their vote so, one less of your vote doesn't make a difference anyway.

Honestly, I dont' care too much about voting anyway unless the candidate insult the public then I would vote against them.

No one is so simple-minded enough to only listen to what celebrities said without observing the environment. You know anything about National Geographic at all?

But those celebrities are hypocrite. They are telling average Joe and Jane to make sacrifice for the common good while they themself refuse to do so and at the same time consume dozens of times as much.

Is that some kind of joke of yours? Some conclusion

Well, the guy talk like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. Slavery, slavery, slavery,........
Seriously, Africa has been getting way way way more from the west than the west ever took from them.

[yittz]

It's not so much that TC consumes shark fin, but the reason he use to justify his right to do so.

This thread isn't shark controversy, but TC controversy. Now that NAACP is involved, TC is really pulling out his AK.

[jiang bao]

Well, I don't know whether you have any connection with Yao Ming, Al Gore, NAACP, and those civil right leaders, but you speak like most of their hard core followers. You keep talking about how bad shark fin is, environment, and slavery.



Honestly, I dont' care too much about voting anyway unless the candidate insult the public then I would vote against them.



But those celebrities are hypocrite. They are telling average Joe and Jane to make sacrifice for the common good while they themself refuse to do so and at the same time consume dozens of times as much.



Well, the guy talk like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. Slavery, slavery, slavery,........
Seriously, Africa has been getting way way way more from the west than the west ever took from them.

Dude, come on, I clearly said I brought up slavery as an example of something that was legal but that didn’t necessarily mean it was moral. I mean, an eighth grader should be able to understand that. Hell, I wrote it out in similar words. Anyone with rudimentary reading and comprehension skills should be able to understand it.

I am NOT discussing the topic of slavery.

It’s not your views that irritate me (and perhaps others), it’s your utter inability to support your point of view with coherent rebuttals to counter points that people bring up or even understand most of the points that people bring up.

For example, you could have argued that while morality is subjective and although law isn’t perfect, it is an objective guideline that society has set up. This was the counterargument I anticipated when I first posted the issue. RWX is actually the one posted that very counterargument. You on the other hand, went into your anti-NAACP mode.

[Ken Cheng]

And, because we just can't get enough of this issue here...

Take measure of your remarks before you post them.

[pemberly]

but serving bird's nest soup is totally ok? hypocrites. those swallows die bc people take their nests. and the most prized are the red ones...full of their death blood.

[Ken Cheng]

but serving bird's nest soup is totally ok? hypocrites. those swallows die bc people take their nests. and the most prized are the red ones...full of their death blood.

Is it authentic bird's nest, or just the simulated stuff made from deep fried noodles?

[pemberly]

they didn't say the fake stuff, so i would assume real. like i would assume real shark fin and not clear noodles.

[Dirt]

As if any animal we consume in mass quantities is treated humanely. Maybe cows. But pigs? Maybe. Chicken? No way, at least not in the USA.

[Trien Chieu]

If the demand going down, the price will go down. Shark fin lovers, who don't worship people like Yao Ming and Al Gore and David Suzuki, will increase their consumption. The demand will go back up and price will go up. The demand and price of sharkfin may go up and down but will always be there. The great Chinese culture will be preserved.

[kidd]

but serving bird's nest soup is totally ok? hypocrites. those swallows die bc people take their nests. and the most prized are the red ones...full of their death blood.

Actually, they are not blood.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_is_bird's_nest_soup_red

[Ken Cheng]

The great Chinese culture will be preserved.

Shark fin's soup is a very, very, very small part of Chinese culture; it's not as if people are being asked to give up rice or tea.

It'd be like saying that American culture is in danger of disappearing if New England Clam Chowder were to disappear from the menu.

Back in the early days of the American colonies/U.S., practically everybody in the mid-Atlantic/New England area ate this stuff called scrapple. It was the staple of the people who lived there. Nowadays, just a few old timers from Philadelphia even know what it is anymore.

Despite that, American culture has held up pretty well, and if you feel it hasn't...well, the disappearance of scrapple is hardly the cause of that.

[Trien Chieu]

Shark fin's soup is a very, very, very small part of Chinese culture; it's not as if people are being asked to give up rice or tea.

It'd be like saying that American culture is in danger of disappearing if New England Clam Chowder were to disappear from the menu.

Back in the early days of the American colonies/U.S., practically everybody in the mid-Atlantic/New England area ate this stuff called scrapple. It was the staple of the people who lived there. Nowadays, just a few old timers from Philadelphia even know what it is anymore.

Despite that, American culture has held up pretty well, and if you feel it hasn't...well, the disappearance of scrapple is hardly the cause of that.

Culture is an important factor but not everything. Ken, life is short. You won't live in this world forever. Do whatever you want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else and not against the law of the land. I refuse to let those hypercritical celebrities to dictate my life, telling me what to do. Those celebrities keep telling average people to make sacrifice but they consume a few dozen times as much. For people want to be second/third/fourth rated citizen and listen to people like Yao Ming, Al Gore, and David Suzuki, they have every right to do so, but not me. Therefore, I will never stop consuming shark fin so that people like Yao Ming can consume more.

[xJadedx]

TC - No one in this thread is against eating shark fin soup because some "celebrity" told them not to. People do so because of their own moral values. If you don't agree, that's fine, but stop saying the same irrelevant crap over and over again.
Unless you can think of something meaningful or constructive or original to say, kindly STFU.

[Ken Cheng]

I'm a pragmatist about this. The "ethics" of it don't concern me as much as this: I live on this planet. So does everyone I know, have known, or ever will know. If I ever have descendants (yeah, about that...), they're going to live on this planet too. It's the only one we've got.

I'm not a science major, but I learned enough from my biology classes in high school and college to know that the Earth's ecosystem is a complex web, and like all webs, things that impact one part of the web can radiate and eventually affect the entire web, including parts that seem quite distant from where the initial impact occurred.

As a predator, sharks likely keep the population of something under control. Without sharks, that something will reproduce out-of-control and eventually, subject the ocean to stresses that will cause it to change. The change might not be friendly to surface creatures such as myself.

Of course, all this might not play out for decades or more, even if sharks went extinct tomorrow. I confess to sometimes being a very selfish person, but my selfishness so far doesn't extend to ruining the Earth for future generations just for my appetite.

[remember_Cedric]

TC - No one in this thread is against eating shark fin soup because some "celebrity" told them not to. People do so because of their own moral values. If you don't agree, that's fine, but stop saying the same irrelevant crap over and over again.
Unless you can think of something meaningful or constructive or original to say, kindly STFU.

Jadey, I absolutely agreed! You've displayed such characteristic coolness upon making that post. I am hopelessly in love with you because of this post. I'll be thinking of you from today onwards..... 24-7

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Just kidding!

[Dirt]

As an Apex predator, sharks are absolutely one of the most important creatures in the sea. If there are no sharks to control the sea lion population, those sea lions will eat more fish, fish that we want to eat too. Etc.

[pemberly]

we gotta start eating sea lions then.

[Banh Mi]

lest they take over the world!

[ByTmE]

Sharks? Sea Lions? Oh my....no love for the critters like crickets and cicadas? I see.

:: I remember when I was kind of drunk in Pattaya and tricked into eating crickets mixed in with my chicken innards kabob...what are friends for huh??