More shark controversy

[Lucre]

Right Now???
Are you kidding? Where in the world still having slavery?

im not kidding....its often right under your noses. (not just some 'poor countries') but us humans, who are born in better countries, and many even seemed to think they have more right than those of poorer countries, often forget that.

you dont see 'slaves' going online and crying for help because they dont have the right to do so. whilst we sit back and criticise others for whatsoever crimes, as those men of more power continues to abuse, take advantage, and exploit those born into poorer conditions (ie. born into slavery)

these slaves have no more ability to cry for help than the sharks, or any other animals~and these people, are fellow human beings.

[Lucre]

They funny thing is that shark fin may contain high levels of mercury. I hope it is true.

China really does suck big time. Garbage tradition, lack of cultural morality, idiotic philosophy, no manners, selfishness, on and on.

The only good thing about China is its crazy efficient (sometimes "too efficient") capital punishment system. Bullet in the head. Inexpensive, painless, and effective.

even if it does contain high levels of mercury~note that many other 'junk-food' also contain a whole series of 'unhealthy stuff' thats gonna poison human nature.

whilst nobody eats sharkfin DAILY, many eat junkfood daily. So, humans are at a higher risk from getting poisoned by junkfood than sharkfin.

[yittz]

Just because there are bigger issues at hand (junk food, pornography, slavery), it doesn't mean we should ignore the waste to life and resources in the form of definning and discard.

Why derail this debate with other areas of concern. Create more forum traffic by starting your own threads.

[jiang bao]

It's not like humanity needs to have shark fin to survive. Thanks to demand from China alone (includes HK), shark population is dwindling.

[Trien Chieu]

They funny thing is that shark fin may contain high levels of mercury. I hope it is true.

Wow, you are so evil. You wish death to people who do not share your belief.

China really does suck big time. Garbage tradition, lack of cultural morality, idiotic philosophy, no manners, selfishness, on and on.

Really??? China was considered the best country in the world until the 19th century. Back in the ancient time, china was called the Middle Kindom, which is center of the world. The rest of the world envied and wanted to be like china.

Garbage tradition? Lack of cultural morality?
China has one of the best tradition. Its cultural conservative is among the best in the world.

Lack of cultural morality?
China has great morality. How often you see chinese commiting sex crime compare to other races?

Idiotic Philosophy?
China has the philosophy of hard work + education + Money = success. Is that a bad philosophy?

No manner?
How often you see chinese people bully other people??

Selfishness??
Who aren't?

The only good thing about China is its crazy efficient (sometimes "too efficient") capital punishment system. Bullet in the head. Inexpensive, painless, and effective.

Agree.

[remember_Cedric]

Wow, you are so evil. You wish death to people who do not share your belief.

Why do you consistently misinterpreting what others try to bring forward?

Would you like me to call you a ex-Convict since your bann from this forum?

[Lucre]

Just because there are bigger issues at hand (junk food, pornography, slavery), it doesn't mean we should ignore the waste to life and resources in the form of definning and discard.

Why derail this debate with other areas of concern. Create more forum traffic by starting your own threads.

its not the concern of sharks that got to me, but the extreme hatred some people displayed, towards those who do not share their views, that got me wondering. do shark-fin-eaters deserved that much condemnation?

and, for those who start passing very strong condemnation, do you also indulge yourselves in other areas that might also lead to other 'immoral activities'? maybe you dun harm any sharks, but did you end up harming other animals? people?

wishing shark-hunters death via been eaten by sharks is just as evil as hunting sharks itself. just because human population is no where near extinction seriously doesnt mean its OK to kill some humans~as those in higher power tend to think of those of poorer nations.

[jiang bao]

wishing shark-hunters death via been eaten by sharks is just as evil as hunting sharks itself. just because human population is no where near extinction seriously doesnt mean its OK to kill some humans~as those in higher power tend to think of those of poorer nations.

I am not gonna bother replying to TC since anyone paying attention to reality should know why he's wrong.

As to Lucre, if we go by your logic, then all the Chinese who fought back against the Japanese were evil. To fight evil with violence is not evil. No one is going around advocating killing anyone if they don't deserve it. But I am not going to bat an eye seeing animal torturers get eaten by the very animals they torture.

Humans are destroying this world. There are some who want to prevent that from happening. Yet you have people (namely, rightwingers) who don't care because they don't care about anyone else but themselves and money. If their deaths mean this world is a little safer, I am ok with it.

Before anyone spins what I wrote into something else, let me clarify that I am not advocating going out and killing rightwing people. What I mean is that should they die somehow, I have no sympathy.

[Ren Ying Ying]

As to Lucre, if we go by your logic, then all the Chinese who fought back against the Japanese were evil. To fight evil with violence is not evil. No one is going around advocating killing anyone if they don't deserve it. But I am not going to bat an eye seeing animal torturers get eaten by the very animals they torture.

Regardless of this specific debate, the context of comparing chinese who fought back against the japanese vs. death wishes to shark eaters are a bit different. the first case, violence is required in a case of self defense, the "if you don't die, I die" type of situation. If you looked from the outside, would you believe that every single japanese soldier during WWII deserved to die? on the other hand, it should only be the sharks who should possess the fight back with violence mentality.

but back to the shark "controversy" (which really shouldn't be controversial at all) the responsibility lies not only in the citizens, but more in strict government control & strong education. There will be selfish people who could care less about the environment and others regardless of the subject, whether it is shark fin, global warming, politics, etc.

[remember_Cedric]

but back to the shark "controversy" (which really shouldn't be controversial at all)

lol

the responsibility lies not only in the citizens, but more in strict government control & strong education. There will be selfish people who could care less about the environment and others regardless of the subject, whether it is shark fin, global warming, politics, etc.

I concur! Government should ban it, but I guess they only care about the profit that they'll make for not banning it.

[Lucre]

Regardless of this specific debate, the context of comparing chinese who fought back against the japanese vs. death wishes to shark eaters are a bit different. the first case, violence is required in a case of self defense, the "if you don't die, I die" type of situation. If you looked from the outside, would you believe that every single japanese soldier during WWII deserved to die? on the other hand, it should only be the sharks who should possess the fight back with violence mentality.

Thank you, at least someone has sense here.

[remember_Cedric]

i think before everyone confused both existing problems (or already confused) by making unnecessary comparism, and allow them to continue to intercept one another, things can be simple as....

1) Stop your luxury habit or Continue being a selfish stout?

2) Do something about support anti-human trafficking or Play dumb?

Mystery solved. It's not like, if we stop eating sharkfin, a human will get involved in a human traffick. So, the anti-human trafficking issue should deserve its own thread.

[jiang bao]

Regardless of this specific debate, the context of comparing chinese who fought back against the japanese vs. death wishes to shark eaters are a bit different. the first case, violence is required in a case of self defense, the "if you don't die, I die" type of situation. If you looked from the outside, would you believe that every single japanese soldier during WWII deserved to die? on the other hand, it should only be the sharks who should possess the fight back with violence mentality.

Well if sharks could fight back, I am sure they would. What the shark hunters are doing is akin to going to a pre-school and harvesting children for their limbs cuz some bastards think eating children limbs is classy. We can’t possibly stand idle and say the children should defend themselves, can we?

So how do we let sharks get their fair shake to fight back? Toss the hunters and distributors in the sea.

[Guo Xiang]

So how do we let sharks get their fair shake to fight back? Toss the hunters and distributors in the sea.

As mentioned before, sharks don't really eat people... unless you bleed them before tossing them into the sea.

[remember_Cedric]

Well if sharks could fight back, I am sure they would. What the shark hunters are doing is akin to going to a pre-school and harvesting children for their limbs cuz some bastards think eating children limbs is classy. We can’t possibly stand idle and say the children should defend themselves, can we?

So how do we let sharks get their fair shake to fight back? Toss the hunters and distributors in the sea.

As mentioned before, sharks don't really eat people... unless you bleed them before tossing them into the sea.

When we merge the two together, and slightly re-arrange it, we'll get this: Bleed the hunters and distributors then toss them into the sea. Done deal!

[Lucre]

As mentioned before, sharks don't really eat people... unless you bleed them before tossing them into the sea.

unlike crocodiles....the will snap anything thats drop to them. shark are more classy.

[Lucre]

When we merge the two together, and slightly re-arrange it, we'll get this: Bleed the hunters and distributors then toss them into the sea. Done deal!

ahem, thou shalt not murder.

[Trien Chieu]

but back to the shark "controversy" (which really shouldn't be controversial at all) the responsibility lies not only in the citizens, but more in strict government control & strong education. There will be selfish people who could care less about the environment and others regardless of the subject, whether it is shark fin, global warming, politics, etc.

Most of the shark fin consumers, myself included, against shark finning. They get their shark fins at the restaurants or stores with license, not from the back alley. Therefore, they can assume the product is from shark fishing that is totally legal by law. It's up to the government to stop shark finning, not the Average Joe and Jane.

Now, regarding the environment I am all for recycling and we have been recycling whatever we can. However, I wouldn't listen to leaders like Al Gore who asking average Joe and Jane to make sacrifice at the same time he consumes like 20 times as much energy as average Joe and Jane do.

[remember_Cedric]

ahem, thou shalt not murder.

I'll bleed me finger, stain me blood on them then toss them. That's only feeding me pet, nawt murder.

[Guo Xiang]

Most of the shark fin consumers, myself included, against shark finning. They get their shark fins at the restaurants or stores with license, not from the back alley. Therefore, they can assume the product is from shark fishing that is totally legal by law. It's up to the government to stop shark finning, not the Average Joe and Jane.

Now, regarding the environment I am all for recycling and we have been recycling whatever we can. However, I wouldn't listen to leaders like Al Gore who asking average Joe and Jane to make sacrifice at the same time he consumes like 20 times as much energy as average Joe and Jane do.

Being a shark fin consumer does not reconcile with the idea that you are against shark finning, especially since you are a self-confessed shark fin soup lover who would love to have it as much as possible which is a total approval of shark finning and in fact, as much shark finning as possible so you can have that bowl of soup.

Being legal also does not mean the fins are acquired through any less cruel methods and that it has no ecosystem effect.