More shark controversy

[pemberly]

That was a great essay.

Anyway, can someone give me a summary of the last three pages of the thread?

i'll try. forgive me for generalizing ppl's arguments.

TC thinks shark fin is the shizznit.

JB thinks ppl who eat (or possibly harvest) shark fin should get their limbs cut off and thrown in the ocean, because he feels that the cruelty to the sharks deserves some retribution. and also that killing sharks for their fins is "akin to going to a pre-school and harvesting children for their limbs cuz some bastards think eating children limbs is classy."

i, banh mi, and possibly yittz want to eat some kids from the children farm i'm going to start in my basement.

TC still thinks shark fin is the shizznit.

soylent green is people!!!!

[Ken Cheng]

soylent green is people!!!!

7-11 should include "soylent green" as one of its Slurpee flavors, and Baskin 31 Robbins should also make it one of the company's ice cream flavors. Then, we'll see how many people get the joke.

[xJadedx]

i'll try. forgive me for generalizing ppl's arguments.

TC thinks shark fin is the shizznit.

JB thinks ppl who eat (or possibly harvest) shark fin should get their limbs cut off and thrown in the ocean, because he feels that the cruelty to the sharks deserves some retribution. and also that killing sharks for their fins is "akin to going to a pre-school and harvesting children for their limbs cuz some bastards think eating children limbs is classy."

i, banh mi, and possibly yittz want to eat some kids from the children farm i'm going to start in my basement.

TC still thinks shark fin is the shizznit.

soylent green is people!!!!

Oh, so nothing really happened. Gotcha.

Hahaha, soylent green.

[jiang bao]

well then, i should be able to "farm" human beings for consumption as well, as long as i'm not unnecessarily cruel and i raise them solely for food. there's no danger of people as a species dying out either.

and i think those practices have changed, or are starting to. i see hunks of shark meat being sold with their fins already cut off. so, almost the entire shark is used. granted this could be like 5% of the market, but small steps.

Fine with me. If cannibalism is your thing you can get away with it.

[yittz]

Oh, so nothing really happened. Gotcha.

Hahaha, soylent green.

Does anything ever happen when people debate with TC? I swear, he drag us down and beat us at it without us realising. THerefore TC = full of win.

[jiang bao]

i'll try. forgive me for generalizing ppl's arguments.

TC thinks shark fin is the shizznit.

JB thinks ppl who eat (or possibly harvest) shark fin should get their limbs cut off and thrown in the ocean, because he feels that the cruelty to the sharks deserves some retribution. and also that killing sharks for their fins is "akin to going to a pre-school and harvesting children for their limbs cuz some bastards think eating children limbs is classy."

i, banh mi, and possibly yittz want to eat some kids from the children farm i'm going to start in my basement.

TC still thinks shark fin is the shizznit.

soylent green is people!!!!

I didn't see this before.

Correction:

I don't think people who EAT shark fin should get their limbs cut off and thrown into the ocean. You misread or didn't read what I actually wrote.

[Ren Ying Ying]

Well if sharks could fight back, I am sure they would. What the shark hunters are doing is akin to going to a pre-school and harvesting children for their limbs cuz some bastards think eating children limbs is classy. We can’t possibly stand idle and say the children should defend themselves, can we?

So how do we let sharks get their fair shake to fight back? Toss the hunters and distributors in the sea.

well, that's just evolutionarily unsound . since we are humans, our standards of "punishment" to ourselves should be different as for another species . I'm not saying punishment is not well deserved, but the severity of punishment is not quite the same.

Most of the shark fin consumers, myself included, against shark finning. They get their shark fins at the restaurants or stores with license, not from the back alley. Therefore, they can assume the product is from shark fishing that is totally legal by law. It's up to the government to stop shark finning, not the Average Joe and Jane.

So why are you against shark finning? Even with a so-called liscence, do you not think you get the shark fin from shark finning...hence the word "finning"?

Let's put it this way, for all your cries of "democracy", if a bill required you to vote for banning ALL types of shark fishing and banning of shark fin/meat selling, would you vote for it?

ahem, thou shalt not murder.

I'm against murdering (especially babies) but I'll eat them if they serve them . Is pemby going to turn her basement into a restaurant soon?

[pemberly]

I didn't see this before.

Correction:

I don't think people who EAT shark fin should get their limbs cut off and thrown into the ocean. You misread or didn't read what I actually wrote.

i believe you wrote something to the effect of "They funny thing is that shark fin may contain high levels of mercury. I hope it is true. "

so i assumed you want ppl who eat shark fin to die. what other effects of mercury poisoning are there?

and oh yes, mercury poisoning, haha, so funny. -_-

[Trien Chieu]

So why are you against shark finning? Even with a so-called liscence, do you not think you get the shark fin from shark finning...hence the word "finning"?

I don't support the idea of cutting off the fins throw the shark back to the ocean to die like that. It's a big waste. People who finning the shark and throw the whole body into ocean should be arrested and go to jail.

Let's put it this way, for all your cries of "democracy", if a bill required you to vote for banning ALL types of shark fishing and banning of shark fin/meat selling, would you vote for it?

No, I am all for shark fishing that using the whole shark, not just the fins.

[Ren Ying Ying]

I don't support the idea of cutting off the fins throw the shark back to the ocean to die like that. It's a big waste. People who finning the shark and throw the whole body into ocean should be arrested and go to jail.



No, I am all for shark fishing that using the whole shark, not just the fins.

what's the difference? do you eat shark meat? if the demand for shark meat is well below the demade for shark fin, then the meat still goes to waste... Just because you don't throw it back into the ocean doesn't mean the meat gets used.

[jiang bao]

i believe you wrote something to the effect of "They funny thing is that shark fin may contain high levels of mercury. I hope it is true. "

so i assumed you want ppl who eat shark fin to die. what other effects of mercury poisoning are there?

and oh yes, mercury poisoning, haha, so funny. -_-

Yeah I did, but you are wrong to jump to the conclusion that I said to cut off shark fin eaters limbs and toss them in the sea.

That's just them getting poisoned from eating shark fins (their own choice to eat it), which by the way at the small levels of mercury, will NOT kill them. So that's another jumping to conclusion on your part.

It would be great justic if shark fin WAS poisonous enough to kill people that eat them though. I do feel that way, but the amounts of mercury in shark fin will not do it.

So yeah, I have ill will toward shark fin eaters. Serves them right. But it isn't like I am advocating DOING them any harm. Big difference. If you think that makes my hatred for people who torture animals makes me evil, that's fine. I just would never harm an animal in the manner that is done to sharks for their fins.

Instead of trying to demonize me, how bout focusing on the real issue, and that's an animal being harvested for a part and being left to die a slow death, all for some bastards to feel high and mighty.

[Guo Xiang]

Wishing people ill harm is not very good either, especially since you sound so serious about it.

You've been showing quite a lot of violent tendencies lately. Hope you are okay. o.O

[Trien Chieu]

Being a shark fin consumer does not reconcile with the idea that you are against shark finning, especially since you are a self-confessed shark fin soup lover who would love to have it as much as possible which is a total approval of shark finning and in fact, as much shark finning as possible so you can have that bowl of soup.

Of course it does. Policemen with gun does reconcile with the idea of they are against gun related crimes.

Being legal also does not mean the fins are acquired through any less cruel methods and that it has no ecosystem effect.

Shark finning is illegal in Canada. Canada does not allow illegal products entering the country. I bought shark fin from stores with license, not illegally from the back alley, so therefore I assume the fins came from shark fishing, not finning. It's up to the government to regulate the product, not me. Even if the fins came from shark finning, it is not my fault and I won't lose sleep over it. Canadian law enforcement can't do anything to me about it.

[remember_Cedric]

For people who against eating shark fin, don't eat it. No one can force you to do so, you have every right to boycott the product. However, leave other people alone, do not dictate other people lives. It's none of your business if other people consuming it. Who are you to judge?

Do you know, or have you heard something called Domino Effect? Or, Chain Reaction? If you have not, Google that up! The extinction of Shark will begin to have an effect on the entire foodchain. It is a unique predator by itself.

Why do people even bother to step into other's life to ask them to stop doing something, is simply due to the consequences which will eventually "hurt" the entire environment.

You know Sharkfin is costly, because it is rare. If something is rare, frequent consumption will definitely cause it to be unable to get production in time. Do I have to bring the whole concept to this low to make you understand? Don't tell me such concept doesn't cross your mind?

Leave TC alone, we are all monsters.

We can't, Yittz, the boy badly needs some moral education.

[pemberly]

It would be great justic if shark fin WAS poisonous enough to kill people that eat them though. ...

But it isn't like I am advocating DOING them any harm.

oh thank you for clearing that up.

you are wrong to jump to the conclusion that I said to cut off shark fin eaters limbs and toss them in the sea.

jaded ask me to generalize and i TRIED. as i said. i even put in parenthesis that you might have said harvesters. even though you seem to think i should, i do not remember every word exactly as you have said it, especially from 3 pages ago.

to clarify, TC also did not call shark fin "da shizznit."

That's just them getting poisoned from eating shark fins (their own choice to eat it), which by the way at the small levels of mercury, will NOT kill them. So that's another jumping to conclusion on your part.

yes, that is such a far fetched conclusion i jumped to. poisoning does not equal killing someone. i got to remember that one. even though you do wish it would kill them. but you don't wish them any harm. but you do wish that it has enough poison to kill.

Instead of trying to demonize me, how bout focusing on the real issue, and that's an animal being harvested for a part and being left to die a slow death, all for some bastards to feel high and mighty.

i'm not demonizing you. you're doing a mighty fine job of that yourself. i'm not the only here that sees that you're turning into a liberal version of TC.

[Ren Ying Ying]

Shark finning is illegal in Canada. Canada does not allow illegal products entering the country. I bought shark fin from stores with license, not illegally from the back alley, so therefore I assume the fins came from shark fishing, not finning. It's up to the government to regulate the product, not me. Even if the fins came from shark finning, it is not my fault and I won't lose sleep over it. Canadian law enforcement can't do anything to me about it.

how do you know it's not just poor government control? the government, unfortunately, cannot control everything. Sorry to burst your bubble.

take for example, the government bans illegal uploading/downloading of copyrighted music, but i somehow still mange to get my hands on it w/o getting caught so far (*knock on wood*).

But then again, if the only reason you are against "shark finning" is because it's illegal, then I have nothing to say. we're obviously not on the same page...

[Ken Cheng]

You people are freaking crazy.

ALL of you.

If I keep on reading this thread, I might be too...

[Trien Chieu]

Do you know, or have you heard something called Domino Effect? Or, Chain Reaction? If you have not, Google that up! The extinction of Shark will begin to have an effect on the entire foodchain. It is a unique predator by itself.

Why do people even bother to step into other's life to ask them to stop doing something, is simply due to the consequences which will eventually "hurt" the entire environment.

You know Sharkfin is costly, because it is rare. If something is rare, frequent consumption will definitely cause it to be unable to get production in time. Do I have to bring the whole concept to this low to make you understand? Don't tell me such concept doesn't cross your mind?

We can't, Yittz, the boy badly needs some moral education.

Old things won't go, new things won't come. Life will go on with or without the sharks. There were many many species went extinction and life still go on. As an Average Joe, my actions doesn't make any difference whatsoever. If I stop consuming the shark fin, someone else will. I am a person of my own, I do whatever I wanted. I do not need anyone to dictate my life. The phrase of "Don't do as I do, do as I say" from the hypocritical celebrities may work for many but not me. Al Gore preaches about energy conservation while he himself consume dozens times as much. Yao Ming urges people not to consume shark fin soup while he serves them on his wedding day.

Domino Effect? Chain Reaction??
Society will adjust to it accordingly. No need to worry and enjoy your life. If you want to be a second/third class citizen and listen to great speeches from celebrities like Al Gore and Yao Ming, you are entitle to it. However, their great speeches don't work on me. The more they preach about stop consuming shark fin, the more I am willing pay and the more I am consuming.

how do you know it's not just poor government control? the government, unfortunately, cannot control everything. Sorry to burst your bubble.

I do realized that the goverment is not perfect. It's not my fault that the shark fin I get from the stores with license came from shark finning. It's the people who finning the sharks commit crime, not the shark fin consumers. I do not violate any law. No law enforcement in the world can do anything to me about it. It's not the consumers responsibility to verify how the commercial products were made.

take for example, the government bans illegal uploading/downloading of copyrighted music, but i somehow still mange to get my hands on it w/o getting caught so far (*knock on wood*).

This is completely different issue. You should post it in a new thread if you wanted.

But then again, if the only reason you are against "shark finning" is because it's illegal, then I have nothing to say. we're obviously not on the same page...

I against shark finning because it's wasteful. Not all shark fins come from shark finning. If you go to chinese grocery stores, most of them sell shark meat as well.

[PJ]

If I were to asked to name a topic that would roil our forums in controversy for *years*, I could not have imagined it would be *this* one.

I mean...the subject has no sex, politics, religion, social class, or race in it, and yet...

But it's one of TC's most -passionate- subjects, along with the Condemnable Black Race. The more passionately + fearlessly he declares his "unique" taste, the more viable it is a candidate for controversy.

[jiang bao]

Wishing people ill harm is not very good either, especially since you sound so serious about it.

You've been showing quite a lot of violent tendencies lately. Hope you are okay. o.O

Hey if I thought they were good people, I'd wish them well. I wish good things for most people. Let me clarify here, by "shark fin eaters," I don't mean the person who occasionally eats it at a restaurant here. I mean the people who loves it and demands it.

I am just someone who can't tolerate people who prey on animals needlessly or abuse them.

No probs. Happy as can be. My writing style here makes me seem kind of criminally insane I guess. LOL
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yes, that is such a far fetched conclusion i jumped to. poisoning does not equal killing someone. i got to remember that one. even though you do wish it would kill them. but you don't wish them any harm. but you do wish that it has enough poison to kill.

Yet again, putting words in my mouth.

I don't think I ever said I don't WISH shark fin eaters harm--i.e. I wouldn't bat an eyelash if something bad were to happen to them. It's pretty obvious that I do wish them harm from eating shark fin. If I did say I don't wish them harm, I apologize, but I don't think I did. I do remember most of what I write since I write as I feel on this subject so since I do wish them harm, I would not have said I don't unless I was high.

I said I do not advocate DOING them (sharkfin eaters) any harm and who not do them any harm. Again, I am talking about sharkfinners when I advocate limb severing as just punishment.

And just to make sure, see my definition of "shark fin eaters" above. I am not talking about every person who's ever tasted shark fin either.

PS, poisoning does not equal death... for real. I mean, really.

Come on, it's pretty common knowledge that some fishes have mercury too, and we don't die from it. Slightly elevated mercury levels in shark fins wouldn't kill either. I just didn't see the need to explain it since I assume most people understand this pretty common knowledge.