Did Yeung Siu and Wai 1 Siu get beaten by the Yeun Ming Elders too easily?

[Ken Cheng]

The Yeun Ming Elders were more powerful than the Ming Cult's Left/Right Heralds of Light and Four Guardian Lords. That the Yeun Ming Elders could defeat Yeung Siu and Wai 1 Siu is no surprise. What does surprise, however, is how easily the Yeun Ming Elders defeated Yeung Siu and Wai 1 Siu during their encounter at Mt. Mo Dong. Although I don't expect Yeung Siu and Wai 1 Siu to win against the Yeun Ming Elders, I was surprised by how weak their resistance seemed to be.

[flamer]

I was very surprised...

They essentially got defeated in one stance, after ZWJ apparently taking the majority of Xuanming's power in their strikes.

I think maybe they contested with pure internal but that's still too quick considering they expected Fan Yao to last at least a while against ZWJ.

[Ken Cheng]

I was very surprised...

They essentially got defeated in one stance, after ZWJ apparently taking the majority of Xuanming's power in their strikes.

I think maybe they contested with pure internal but that's still too quick considering they expected Fan Yao to last at least a while against ZWJ.

Moreover, later at Shaolin, Yeung Siu and Yan Teen Sing were able to last quite a long while against the Dao-generation Shaolin elders, and those Dao-generation monks were supposedly more powerful than the Yeun Ming Elders. Yeung Siu and Wai 1 Siu really shouldn't have lost to the Yeun Ming Elders that quickly.

[flamer]

Well, it was Yang Xiao + YTZ vs ONE Du Monk.

That scene didn't really make sense to me, martial arts wise.

[Ken Cheng]

Well, it was Yang Xiao + YTZ vs ONE Du Monk.

That scene didn't really make sense to me, martial arts wise.

No, it doesn't. The only people who could level Yeung Siu and Wai 1 Siu that quickly and easily would be Cheung 3 Fung and Cheung Mo Gei, and I'm not sure even they could accomplish it as easily as the Yeun Ming Elders apparently did.

[kyss of the sword]

they were defeated because they directly clashed with a poison palm skill. even if it was LMC's five poison palm, they couldn't directly face it. with poison palms, you should avoid the opponents attacks, direct contact is out. if they knew about the poisonese palms of their opponents, then they would have fought for several stances using agility to avoid the xuan ming elders xuan ming zhang and trying to get a strike in.

[Ken Cheng]

they were defeated because they directly clashed with a poison palm skill. even if it was LMC's five poison palm, they couldn't directly face it. with poison palms, you should avoid the opponents attacks, direct contact is out. if they knew about the poisonese palms of their opponents, then they would have fought for several stances using agility to avoid the xuan ming elders xuan ming zhang and trying to get a strike in.

Yu Lin Chou made the same mistake, didn't he? I figure that the Yeun Ming Elders, though powerful, can't take down a Ming Cult Herald of Light or Guardian Lord or a Mo Dong Hero so easily except through their poison.

[kyss of the sword]

Yu Lin Chou made the same mistake, didn't he? I figure that the Yeun Ming Elders, though powerful, can't take down a Ming Cult Herald of Light or Guardian Lord or a Mo Dong Hero so easily except through their poison.

actually the xuan ming elder was worried that yu linchuo's inner power might be higher then his so he didn't use the xuan ming palm. with the xuan ming palm, the cold toxin is passed by inner power and against a stronger inner power, there is a risk of the poison rebounding. as stated by ZSF why the xuan ming elder did not use xuan ming palm against the wudang hero. wudang inner power increase with age and back then the wudang fighters were not advanced enough in their inner power to match even the ming cult guardians. the more powerful xuan ming elder seriously injured hero yu with a non-poisonous inner power strike.

[tape]

I thought it was weird that he didn't use the Xuan Ming palm. The Xuan Ming elders probably haven't met many people even near their inner strength level. Besides the obvious Wuji and Zhang Sanfeng, the 3 old Du monks, there aren't really people on their level of inner strength. Cheng Kun is probably on a similar level as are the 4 Kong monks, but that's very very few people to be worried about.

The Wudang heroes have great reputation, but after all they are only in their 30's and 40's opposed to the Xuan Ming Elders. If I were a Xuan Ming elder, I don't think I'd ever not use the palm unless it was the above mentioned people. I doubt they met a match for their palms in the past 10 years, which makes their caution unreasonable.

[flamer]

Well, perfect information is not something XM Elders or wulin people had in those times, unlike us readers. Be safe is probably a smarter idea, 小心驶得万年船...

[PJ]

The Wudang heroes have great reputation, but after all they are only in their 30's and 40's

Same can be said about Xiao Feng, Guo Jing, and Yang Guo. There was no way to know how high of a level Wudang Heroes have reached, and anywhere between Zhang Cuishan's level and Great level can be considered "very high," which was their reputation.

If I were a Xuan Ming elder, I don't think I'd ever not use the palm unless it was the above mentioned people. I doubt they met a match for their palms in the past 10 years, which makes their caution unreasonable.

Don't forget they run a major risk whenever they use Xuanming Divine Palm, so it was better for them to err on the side of caution.

[tape]

Yeah I realize there is a reason to be cautious, but I'm just saying that human nature is rarely that logical. After not reaching a match for 10-20 years, (which I think is extremely reasonable and likely for them two), it is almost unreal for someone to be that cautious.

[PJ]

You might have underestimated Wudang's mighty reputation in the martial world. 100 years ago, Wudang did not even exist; now it is the 2nd most powerful institution in China. So when you run into one of the direct disciples of the Great Man who built this awesome powerhouse, and the disciple also has a striking reputation of his own--maybe more than anyone else you've faced--you are not likely to take a great risk, even if you aren't too shabby yourself.

[tape]

Now we know I wouldn't survive very well in wulin unless I was Great level.