Tanking a palm and being OK with it -- Yang Guo vs Qiu Qianren

[Ren Wo Xing]

This has been bugging the hell out of me recently.

Has anyone else else ever remotely duplicated this feat Yang Guo demonstrated: Being caught off guard, being hit FULL ON by a greats-level fighter, being blown through a wall...then literally appearing to be totally unaffected and jumping right back in. Hell, even Sweeper Monk broke a rib or two.

Out of all of Jinyong's weird events, this seems to be one of the most bizarre. Any thoughts?

[flamer]

He didn't take it on his body. He allowed the palm wind to blow him backwards and used abit of his lightness kung fu maybe.

[ChronoReverse]

I've always thought that scene showed how YG _wasn't_ taken off guard (as Yideng had expected a youth would be) and defused the force by being thrown back. His own power was easily sufficient to smash through a little hut so that was more like cushioning than anything else.

[K2Grey]

While we're on this subject, how big of a power differential is required to successfully tank palms and be OK with it?

For example, ZWJ was 3 times as powerful as a Du monk, but I believe the first time they fight when a rope goes flying at him it says that if it hit him, all his ribs would be broken and his internal organs would be destroyed. So apparently having 3x someone's inner power does not make your invulnerable to their attack, even if your inner power is of a special type that is suitable for tanking hits (9 Yang).

On the other hand later on in HSDS when Cheng Kun kicked Xie Xun in the side, Xie Xun coughed up blood but was otherwise fine and proceeded to fight Cheng Kun for an extended period of time without seeming to suffer from any injury. And it seems CK's inner power is about similar to XX's. While CK was not expecting the kicks to land, he did exert his inner power to harm XX (as opposed to his previous palm, where he didn't bother to send out his chi and thus no harm was caused), so it is not like he was holding back or anything.

[PJ]

The only possibly similar case that I can think of is when Xiao Feng's 150-feet LDA stormed towards Ding Chunqiu, Ding let the wind push his body back a la Yang Guo. But really, since Ding didn't expect it, and he didn't dodge aside, shouldn't he be smashed by the greatly superior force?

(Internet is very slow here, so can't check the novel for exact details.)

[Shi-Potian]

Tanking a palm and being OK with it

You need good heals!

[lol sorry this whole tanking concept on the thread got me thinking of mmos]

[CancerLuna]

On that note, is Yang Guo the only protagonist that fought with Great Level fighters(Post 16).

He pretty much had the strongest opposition of any protagonist.

[Snafu3721]

On that note, is Yang Guo the only protagonist that fought with Great Level fighters(Post 16).

He pretty much had the strongest opposition of any protagonist.

In LOCH, GJ fought Greats level (or near Great level QQR) opponents on many more occasions. And throughout the story, GJ often encounters opponents who were stronger than himself.

Then in ROCH, GJ also faced off with GWM (a Greats level opponent) on different occasions, including an all out fight fest with Mongol Mercs.


And if just by counting sheer opposition strength factor... then LHC also faced many opponents who theoretically were much stronger considering LHC didn't have any internal energy. But this topic is another discussion all in itself.

[CancerLuna]

In LOCH, GJ fought Greats level (or near Great level QQR) opponents on many more occasions. And throughout the story, GJ often encounters opponents who were stronger than himself.

Then in ROCH, GJ also faced off with GWM (a Greats level opponent) on different occasions, including an all out fight fest with Mongol Mercs.


And if just by counting sheer opposition strength factor... then LHC also faced many opponents who theoretically were much stronger considering LHC didn't have any internal energy. But this topic is another discussion all in itself.

The strongest Great GJ has ever fought is GWM and that was pre16 years. Even QQR, Guo Jing fought a much weaker version than Yang Guo did.

Most of the heroes in JY's story fought stronger opponents than themselves at some point throughout the story, what I'm bringing up is the fact that Yang Guo has faced the strongest opposition of any protagonist.

Yang Guo
Pre-16 GWM
Pre-16 QQR
Post-16 ZBT
Post-16 HYS
Post-16 GWM

Guo Jing
LOCH OYF
LOCH QQR
ROCH OYF
Pre-16 GWM

Who else comes close?

[Snafu3721]

The strongest Great GJ has ever fought is GWM and that was pre16 years. Even QQR, Guo Jing fought a much weaker version than Yang Guo did.

Most of the heroes in JY's story fought stronger opponents than themselves at some point throughout the story, what I'm bringing up is the fact that Yang Guo has faced the strongest opposition of any protagonist.

Yang Guo
Pre-16 GWM
Pre-16 QQR
Post-16 ZBT
Post-16 HYS
Post-16 GWM

Guo Jing
LOCH OYF
LOCH QQR
ROCH OYF
Pre-16 GWM

Who else comes close?

1st off... YG didn't really "fight" ZBT, HYS, or QQR. He merely "Sparred" them for friendly contest. That's not quite the same as going toe to toe in a death duel. So... YG only really fought post 16-GWM.

As for GJ not fighting post 16 yr Greats, that's true. But HYS, ZBT, 1-Deng all fought GWM. So that doesn't make YG's encounter with GWM any more difficult than any of the Greats. So your earlier comment about YG facing the strongest opposition is not completely valid. I am inferring "strongest opposition" to mean "most challenging/difficult". So I would say that although GJ didn't necessarily fight post 16 yr Greats, he had much "stronger opposition" from his opponents.

[CancerLuna]

1st off... YG didn't really "fight" ZBT, HYS, or QQR. He merely "Sparred" them for friendly contest. That's not quite the same as going toe to toe in a death duel. So... YG only really fought post 16-GWM.

As for GJ not fighting post 16 yr Greats, that's true. But HYS, ZBT, 1-Deng all fought GWM. So that doesn't make YG's encounter with GWM any more difficult than any of the Greats. So your earlier comment about YG facing the strongest opposition is not completely valid. I am inferring "strongest opposition" to mean "most challenging/difficult". So I would say that although GJ didn't necessarily fight post 16 yr Greats, he had much "stronger opposition" from his opponents.

YG still matched skills with ZBT and HYS, the "spar" with ZBT was arguably a fight. He definitely fought QQR who was stronger in ROCH.

I was making a point that YG is the only protagonist that has fought Great Level fighters. HYS, ZBT, Yideng are not protagonists. Even XF, one who is known to fight stronger opposition than himself didn't actually fight a Great Level fighter.

On your latter point, even if you take "strongest opposition" to be "most challenging/difficult" (which doesn't make sense btw), YG actually fought more difficult fighters as well. Not sure how strong GJ is relative to YG when he fought OYF and QQR in LOCH but YG around 20 fought GWM on several occasions and GWM is stronger than any LOCH great, pre-16 years.

Opposition - a person or group of people opposing, criticizing, or protesting something, someone, or another group.

Strongest opposition would mean the strongest opponents, not most difficult.
Example being, Yang Guo's strongest opposition would be GWM or ZBT. Even though he had much more trouble when he was younger with GWM, post-16 year GWM would be his "strongest opposition".

[kyss of the sword]

an expert would have a high level of inner power that serves as a cushion against attacks. if OYF hit a 'elite' fighter like MCF and QZ's tan duchun, OYF can destroy the organs and bones in one strike. but when OYF hit HQG on his back with a sneak attack, he caused a serious injury but it took time for the effect to be felt.

YG had a huge level of raw inner power, through he needed time to cultivate it to reach the level of the other greats, it was sufficient for him to withstand qiu qianren's palm strike.

the du monks together had equal inner power to ZWJ and their inner power was much more refined and pure then ZWJ's therefore they could control it much better and waste less force. since the ropes were interconnected, each rope had the inner power of three du monks and equal to a great's strike. as the rope was a weapon, the force was more focused and could cause more damage.

[pannonian]

YG still matched skills with ZBT and HYS, the "spar" with ZBT was arguably a fight. He definitely fought QQR who was stronger in ROCH.

I was making a point that YG is the only protagonist that has fought Great Level fighters. HYS, ZBT, Yideng are not protagonists. Even XF, one who is known to fight stronger opposition than himself didn't actually fight a Great Level fighter.

A sub-Great Guo Jing simultaneously fought both Ouyang Feng and Qiu Qianren, without quckly losing. Impressed by this, Zhou Botong joined the fight against Guo Jing as well, on which Guo Jing kicked a hole in the roof and escaped.

[PJ]

Xiao Feng fought and injured the Sweeper Monk. Xiao Feng also fought his father and Murong Bo. So whoever said Xiao Feng never encountered Great-level adversaries is mistaking.

Xuzhu fought Li Qiushui, who is widely considered above Great-level. Xuzhu also fought Jiumozhi.

Linghu Chong encountered DFBB, who is considered Great-level or above.

Shi Potian encountered 2 Lords of Gallant Island, each of whom is considered LOCH Great-level. Both combined probably > a ROCH Great.

As one can see, Yang Guo is hardly the main character who encountered the most powerful adversary.

[CC]

Xuzhu fought Li Qiushui, who is widely considered above Great-level. Xuzhu also fought Jiumozhi..

Xu Zhu also had the distinction of being the only protagonist to have fought a SWORD GOD.

[Exodus]

let's face it YG is a martial art genius although ZWJ is good in a academic way he actually sucks at fighting.

ZWJ is like a professor in finance but can't compared to making money in the financial markets compared to the like a natural trader.

[CancerLuna]

my mistake