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    Default Ear test for man's virginity based on a small dot on the ear in Vietnam

    Ear test for man's virginity

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    [COLOR=#666666]Vietnamese acupuncturist Pham Thi Hong performs point acupuncture on Nguyen Dinh Kien, 30, at her home in Hanoi, Vietnam. Hong who claims she can detect a man's virginity based on a small dot on the ear.[/COLOR]

    An acupuncturist who claims she can detect a man's virginity based on a small dot on the ear has become a minor celebrity in Vietnam, where she is credited with helping to free three convicted rapists from prison.
    Traditional medicine practitioner Pham Thi Hong started lobbying for the men's release, pleading their case all the way to the president, because she believes all three men are virgins and therefore could not be guilty of rape.
    "They all had small red spots on the back of their ears," said Hong, 54. "The spots should have disappeared if they had had sex. My many years of experience told me that these men did not have sex before."
    Her claims are unusual even for a country where acupuncture and traditional medicine are still common remedies, but Hong's determination to have the case reopened - even threatening to light herself on fire - led to prosecutors re-examining the case. The convictions eventually were suspended due to flaws by initial investigators.
    "Thanks to her efforts, investigators revisited the case which otherwise could have been buried," said Nong Thi Hong Ha, a lawyer for one of the freed men.
    Hong says she discovered the spot on Nguyen Dinh Kien's ear the first time he visited her for treatment four years ago. He was brought to the hospital from prison, where he was serving a 16-year sentence after being convicted of gang raping a 20-year-old woman in 2000.
    After seeing the spot on Kien's ear, Hong believed his insistence that he was innocent. She later examined his two alleged accomplices and began a campaign for their release. Eventually, President Nguyen Minh Triet ordered that the case be re-examined.
    Investigators who revisited the case discovered flaws, including the fact that testimonies of witnesses indicating their innocence were not included in the case's files, according to the local Pioneer newspaper. The three men, having served 10 years in jail, were released in January.
    Vietnamese newspapers have dedicated profiles to Hong and her virginity test, crediting her with helping to free the men while not expressing any skepticism of her ability. Earlier this week, she went on an online chat on Pioneer newspaper where readers expressed their "great admiration" for her efforts.
    She says she was first taught how to determine if a man has ever had sex by feeling their pulse. She later developed the ear-spot method on her own. She says the spot will only disappear after heterosexual intercourse and is not affected by gay sex or masturbation.
    "I never thought that one day I would use this method to help the three men prove their innocence," said Hong, while treating a patient in her home on the outskirts of Hanoi.
    Her virgin-detecting claims have drawn skepticism from other traditional medicine practitioners, who work with needles, herbs and other methods using centuries-old techniques to manipulate energy, or chi, in the body.
    "I have never heard of this method before," said Nguyen Van Hao, 60, an acupuncturist who has practiced for 14 years. "From the medical point of view, it's impossible to determine whether a man has had sex or not by feeling the pulse or examining the red spot on their ears."
    Hong, however, said she's convinced her method works after years of testing it on her students.
    Hong says her reputation has now prompted other convicted rapists to seek her help in appealing their cases.
    "I'm not planning to launch a campaign to clear innocent people who were falsely convicted of rape," she said. "But I'm willing to help people to prove their innocence, if they really are." - AP


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    I applaud her for her determination. She can keep herself out of trouble like most people would do, since this case was not related to her at all and neither were the convicts. But, she kept on lobbying for justice's sake.

    I salute you, Dr. Pham.

    Haha, it's cool that man had an inborn natural virginity mark now. I like the idea.


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    "I have never heard of this method before," said Nguyen Van Hao, 60, an acupuncturist who has practiced for 14 years. "From the medical point of view, it's impossible to determine whether a man has had sex or not by feeling the pulse or examining the red spot on their ears."
    It is not impossible. One physician never heard of the method doesn't mean it does not exist. From my own observation, traditional medicine is such there, there are always unorthodox formula or private formula past down by certain families that are not known to mainstream practitioners. My housemate's mom was cured f and ailment by a traveling practitioner who said she said 'sui sap'. We all have heard of 'fung sap', but, hardly anyone has heard of 'sui sap'. But, it did exist and she was cured.
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    This is the most ridiculous things I've read today.

    There is very likely no scientific evidence whatsoever for her little "ear test." Intercourse is intercourse, be it heterosexual or not. She can't possibly determine a man's virginity based on this. Also, her sample being her students is so biased. I can't believe people would even believe this crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xJadedx View Post
    This is the most ridiculous things I've read today.

    There is very likely no scientific evidence whatsoever for her little "ear test." Intercourse is intercourse, be it heterosexual or not. She can't possibly determine a man's virginity based on this. Also, her sample being her students is so biased. I can't believe people would even believe this crap.
    She did not just use her students as sample and then made conclusion from it. She made the conclusion based on years of observation through her practice.

    I know it sounds ridiculous, but, I won't write her off yet.
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    eh.. technically what differed having sex and other 'self service' method?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bei Rongkun View Post
    eh.. technically what differed having sex and other 'self service' method?
    The missing of some ingredient provided by the female partner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidd View Post
    She did not just use her students as sample and then made conclusion from it. She made the conclusion based on years of observation through her practice.

    I know it sounds ridiculous, but, I won't write her off yet.
    Sorry, but anecdotal evidence just calls for skepticism and criticism. Sure she "observes" them, but really, when you're running your own "analysis" that isn't scientifically blinded or controlled, so many biases occur, even if they're not conscious.
    Based on the report, there is nothing scientific in her claims, and hence I call BS to what she says.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidd View Post
    The missing of some ingredient provided by the female partner.
    and how can this 'missing ingredient' diffentiated the EAR test observer so they not mistake that it is only a "self service"...

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    geez, but even if her testing is valid, what about men who weren't virgins but innocent of the rape crime?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucre View Post
    geez, but even if her testing is valid, what about men who weren't virgins but innocent of the rape crime?
    If her test is valid, then the method can help innocent virgin men/boys from wrongful conviction. That is still big help to society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucre View Post
    geez, but even if her testing is valid, what about men who weren't virgins but innocent of the rape crime?
    think her test cannot be applied for this group.

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    I hope she really did set herself on fire, it would be natural selection at work.
    Her method, if it is a myth, should be easy to debunk. People should just run an empirical study.
    Though being a virgin doesn't absolve you from a gang rape crime. Just because you didn't get any action doesn't mean you're not involved in the incident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trien Chieu View Post
    If her test is valid, then the method can help innocent virgin men/boys from wrongful conviction. That is still big help to society.
    I was intend to ask how can she differentiated real sex and masturbation (if ejaculation is the 'factor' here).. if that is not a factor, we can just use forensic to examine the 'instrument' , more logic to me.

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    This is so weird.

    It reminds me of the old men who say they can tell if a girl is a virgin or not depending on the way she walks or something. The MoM believes in this. I for one, do not. However, the MoM's pegged accuracy is like 9/10 times correct. I think it's because they're all old people...so maybe they know something us young people don't.

    I wish the Mythbusters looked at cases like this! I would sOo TIVO it!
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    all of you that haven't had sex (including me) plz go grab a mirror n check ur spots.

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    if this is true, and the spot is not affected by gay sex or self-pleasure, then it must be something the girl provides, correct? then, does it matter... where in the girl you put it?
    nytimes: Every hr you have 10 minutes where you’re not doing anything productive at work, & you can’t look at porn. So you make a comment & fulfill this desire to show yourself off as a smarty-pants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ByTmE View Post
    This is so weird.

    It reminds me of the old men who say they can tell if a girl is a virgin or not depending on the way she walks or something. The MoM believes in this. I for one, do not. However, the MoM's pegged accuracy is like 9/10 times correct. I think it's because they're all old people...so maybe they know something us young people don't.

    I wish the Mythbusters looked at cases like this! I would sOo TIVO it!
    Old people has lots of strange theory that they claim to work. I know one aunty who can see the nimples of a child and know whether he/she will have a little brother or a little sister. She said this method was very accurate. Some one chinese people also have a timetable that you can follow. It can let you choose the sex of you child. You just follow the time table when to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidd View Post
    Old people has lots of strange theory that they claim to work. I know one aunty who can see the nimples of a child and know whether he/she will have a little brother or a little sister. She said this method was very accurate. Some one chinese people also have a timetable that you can follow. It can let you choose the sex of you child. You just follow the time table when to do it.
    its the same logic as XLN's mark of virginity. somehow the mark disappeared when she got raped. i'd always wondered how it worked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucre View Post
    its the same logic as XLN's mark of virginity. somehow the mark disappeared when she got raped. i'd always wondered how it worked.
    XLN's mark is not natural born. It was put on her most probably by her teacher. The red powder was made of gecko blood (or some other part of the gecko). The theory behind it was that when a girl has intercourse, her body will heat up in a certain way and this will caused the powder to change color or disappear.

    I posted about this years ago in this forum, but, couldn't find the thread already. I learn of this from a TV series (an ancient series where a knowledgeable character explain about this).

    Update:
    I googled the info about 'sau gong ha' (守宮砂) just now. Here's the theory behind it.
    http://gecko.pixnet.net/blog/post/18436036

    click to show/hide spoilers
    中藥中有一味「守宮」,其實就是壁虎,古人又叫牠蝎虎,因為牠能吃蝎子;《博物志》稱牠為蜥蜴 、蝘蜒,據《說文》的說法,壁上走的叫蝘蜒,草裏的才叫蜥蜴。壁虎的其他名字都帶有「虫」旁, 又或以「虎」形容牠的狩獵特色,但為什麼會有守宮這個叫法呢?守的是個什麼宮呢?晉人張華《博物志》說明了 「守宮」一詞的來歷:據說,若是將壁虎養在容器裏頭,每天只餵牠吃朱砂,牠就會全身通紅,一直到吃足了七斤 朱砂以後,便將壁虎磨碎,用來點在女人四肢上。那個紅點經歷一整年也不會消失,除非有過房事,紅點就會消失 。明人郎瑛《七修類稿》也引用《博物志》的說法,但有些許不同:餵的不只是朱砂,還要加上草脂,待壁虎全身 通紅之後就搗成膏狀,而且還明確的說,是點在宮人臂上,就會終身不滅(張華只說終年不滅),一旦跟男人發生 關係,紅點就會消失。

    這種守宮磨成的膏,就叫守宮砂,或叫臂砂。餵食守宮的朱砂是一種汞礦,道士畫符用的紅色顏料就是朱砂。朱砂 加守宮怎麼會有這種功能呢?將守宮砂點在手臂,其實是點在某條經脈上,一旦交合,動了真氣,就會使守宮砂褪 色,可是,這還是傳說 。

    古老相傳,老人家會用瓦罐一類的東西把壁虎養起來,天天餵食丹砂,大概吃到七斤丹砂的時候,就把守宮搗爛, 再把這肉泥點在女人的手臂上,只要是處女,紅點就終身不滅,之後一旦有了性生活,紅點立即消失 。

    'Sau gong sa' was made from gecko who has been fed cinnabaris daily until about 3.5kg has been fed (or until the whole body of the gecko has become red). Then, the gecko was grounded into powder.
    The reason why the dot will disappear was because the powder was actually dot on a certain meridian point. So, when girl has intercourse, it will activate her qi and the dot will become discolored.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidd View Post
    XLN's mark is not natural born. It was put on her most probably by her teacher. The red powder was made of gecko blood (or some other part of the gecko). The theory behind it was that when a girl has intercourse, her body will heat up in a certain way and this will caused the powder to change color or disappear.

    I posted about this years ago in this forum, but, couldn't find the thread already. I learn of this from a TV series (an ancient series where a knowledgeable character explain about this).

    Update:
    I googled the info about 'sau gong ha' (守宮砂) just now. Here's the theory behind it.
    http://gecko.pixnet.net/blog/post/18436036

    click to show/hide spoilers
    中藥中有一味「守宮」,其實就是壁虎,古人又叫牠蝎虎,因為牠能吃蝎子;《博物志》稱牠為蜥蜴 、蝘蜒,據《說文》的說法,壁上走的叫蝘蜒,草裏的才叫蜥蜴。壁虎的其他名字都帶有「虫」旁, 又或以「虎」形容牠的狩獵特色,但為什麼會有守宮這個叫法呢?守的是個什麼宮呢?晉人張華《博物志》說明了 「守宮」一詞的來歷:據說,若是將壁虎養在容器裏頭,每天只餵牠吃朱砂,牠就會全身通紅,一直到吃足了七斤 朱砂以後,便將壁虎磨碎,用來點在女人四肢上。那個紅點經歷一整年也不會消失,除非有過房事,紅點就會消失 。明人郎瑛《七修類稿》也引用《博物志》的說法,但有些許不同:餵的不只是朱砂,還要加上草脂,待壁虎全身 通紅之後就搗成膏狀,而且還明確的說,是點在宮人臂上,就會終身不滅(張華只說終年不滅),一旦跟男人發生 關係,紅點就會消失。

    這種守宮磨成的膏,就叫守宮砂,或叫臂砂。餵食守宮的朱砂是一種汞礦,道士畫符用的紅色顏料就是朱砂。朱砂 加守宮怎麼會有這種功能呢?將守宮砂點在手臂,其實是點在某條經脈上,一旦交合,動了真氣,就會使守宮砂褪 色,可是,這還是傳說 。

    古老相傳,老人家會用瓦罐一類的東西把壁虎養起來,天天餵食丹砂,大概吃到七斤丹砂的時候,就把守宮搗爛, 再把這肉泥點在女人的手臂上,只要是處女,紅點就終身不滅,之後一旦有了性生活,紅點立即消失 。

    'Sau gong sa' was made from gecko who has been fed cinnabaris daily until about 3.5kg has been fed (or until the whole body of the gecko has become red). Then, the gecko was grounded into powder.
    The reason why the dot will disappear was because the powder was actually dot on a certain meridian point. So, when girl has intercourse, it will activate her qi and the dot will become discolored.
    woah....does it work for men? maybe we should go around dotting every baby.....^___^
    o wilku mowa...♪

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