Human rights activist tries to stop death by stoning for Iranian woman

[Trien Chieu]

Human rights activist tries to stop death by stoning for Iranian woman

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/...ex.html?hpt=C1

This is like what I see in ancient chinese serials where sex is extremely sacred.
What do you think about the sentence? If that is the law of the land and if the woman is guilty of the crime, should the rest of the world respect the law of the land and let the authority enforcing their law? I don't like their laws but I wouldn't go over there to force my belief into other either.

[xJadedx]

I do not condone adultery in any way, but in no ways should the consequence be death, and much less death by such cruel methods.

If a man or woman commits adultery, then it should be up to the couple to sort out the problem in a civilized manner, without violence. Of course, this is close to impossible in countries where women still do not have equal rights and are oppressed. So in this case, yes, I support the activists for what they're doing.

[kidd]

I also support the activist. This is one totally cruel sentence.

One thing really perplex me about Islamic law. You get absolutely no way out if you committed adultery but if you killed someone, you can be spared if the family of the victim forgive you and you pay them blood money. But, in adultery case, even if the wronged spoused forgive the erring spouse, he/she still have to die by stoning.

Is ending someone's life forcefully less sinful than having extra-marital affairs?

[Banh Mi]

I'm only cool with it if the guy gets killed too.

[kidd]

I'm only cool with it if the guy gets killed too.

I don't want anyone to get killed in this case. But, I also wonder, why only the woman? What about the guy? Or is he unmarried, so, her gets a lighter sentence?

According to Islamic law, both male and female who committed adultery get the same punishment. So, if a husband committed adultery, he too will be stoned. But, statistics show that in these countries, the majority of convicted law-breaker for this particular law are women. You can make your own judgement, why it's like this.

Also, according to Islamic law, you are not supposed to force a confession from the accused. So, being beaten until she confess is wrong.

Excepts from http://www.jendajournal.com/vol1.2/iman.html

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Proof of Zina

Before any person (Muslim) is convicted of the offence of Zina one of the following facts must be established:

1. Production of 4 (honourable) witnesses, all of them at the same time saw the actual sexual intercourse.

2. Confession: The person making the confession must be adult, sane and such confession is given out voluntarily without inducement or rebuke.

3. Lian (action of imprecation): Failure of the husband or the wife to take the 4 judicial oaths denying committing Zina. This situation arises when a husband makes an allegation against his wife that she either committed Zina, or the pregnancy is not his or disowns the paternity of a particular child of the wife. If the husband confirmed his allegation against the wife by swearing on the Holy Quran 4 times and adding with 5th Oath that if the allegation he levied against the wife is false, may the curse of Allah descend on him. And where the wife, refuses to rebut this allegation by swearing 4 times denying such allegation, her failure to do so shall be a conclusive proof that she really committed Zina and shall be punished accordingly i.e. death by stoning (Rajamu).

4. Evidence of Pregnancy: This form of proof is only exceptional to Maliki Law School. The other schools, namely Shafii, Hanbali, Hanafi and even the Shia do not recognize evidence of pregnancy as proof of Zina.

It is not very difficult to find some contradictions even under the Maliki Law School, which recognises this type of proof as the school has fully recognises Lian as a proof to establish an illegitimate pregnancy where the other party fails to take the 4 Judicial Oaths to rebut the allegation levied against him/her.

Evidence of Pregnancy as proof of Zina may only be relevant where a girl (bikr) carries a pregnancy which in this case her punishment should not be death by stoning but stroke of 100 lashes. On the whole, it is safer to regard evidence of pregnancy as proof of Zina as rebuttable presumption/proof. Situations abound where pregnancies are taken outside wedlock, but Sharia does not take cognizance of them as Zina. Take for example, the case of pregnancy caused as a result of rape or pregnancy caused as a result of void or invalid marriages.

[ByTmE]

Sex is not what is extremely sacred though. What is sacred is the woman's womb. Sounds crass to say, but in the case of adultery, whether discovered or not, this may spell a possible occurrence of a false paternity. That's why such harsh sentences are given. Adultery [and rape] in the eyes of ancient Islamic law was not a crime against the exclusive and sacred marriage rites, rather it is a crime similar to defiling another man's "property."

Why are women often the ones punished as opposed to men? This is up to the judges in the obviously patriarchal societies. Men tend to be granted leniency from the very onset of conception. If not, then why are females in countries who practice Sharia Law forced to cover themselves so as to not tempt men? It's because women are seen as inherently seductresses while men are helpless cads who cannot think beyond the head the lies between their legs. Well, I guess that sort of implies a woman is never "innocent."

Why is this so? I really don't know.

[Guo Xiang]

Why are women often the ones punished as opposed to men? This is up to the judges in the obviously patriarchal societies. Men tend to be granted leniency from the very onset of conception. If not, then why are females in countries who practice Sharia Law forced to cover themselves so as to not tempt men? It's because women are seen as inherently seductresses while men are helpless cads who cannot think beyond the head the lies between their legs. Well, I guess that sort of implies a woman is never "innocent."

Why is this so? I really don't know.

That's correct. Women are evil while men are mindless idiots. I'm not sure which is the greater insult, though obviously the women get the brunt of the whole deal.

[ByTmE]

That's correct. Women are evil while men are mindless idiots. I'm not sure which is the greater insult, though obviously the women get the brunt of the whole deal.

Oh GUO XIANG! This whole topic just makes me dislike men even more! Dang it...even though the rest of the men of the world are unrelated to this incident...but I just wanna HATE THEM ALL!!!

[Trien Chieu]

I'm only cool with it if the guy gets killed too.

Yeah, it's unfair that only women get the punishment. They both surely deserve the same fate for what they have done.

[Guo Xiang]

Oh GUO XIANG! This whole topic just makes me dislike men even more! Dang it...even though the rest of the men of the world are unrelated to this incident...but I just wanna HATE THEM ALL!!!

Hahaha why?? I didn't know you are a man-hater.

[Trien Chieu]

Hahaha why?? I didn't know you are a man-hater.

What about you Guo Xiang? Are you the opposite of ByTmE? Are you a man-lover?

[ByTmE]

Hahaha why?? I didn't know you are a man-hater.

In truth, I like many things about males. Mother nature gave their sex many endearing traits. CONVERSELY I also hate men. Well, how they can be SUCH a$$e$ or hateful like in this incident. Some men have made our world into a black and white place in their favor....that has clouded my perspective of all men in general. Sorry no offense to anyone. I know I'm being narrow minded.

Unfortunately, being nicer to women than men has never done me much good in life...ugh

[Dirt]

Oppression sucks.

[Trien Chieu]

In truth, I like many things about males. Mother nature gave their sex many endearing traits. CONVERSELY I also hate men. Well, how they can be SUCH a$$e$ or hateful like in this incident. Some men have made our world into a black and white place in their favor....that has clouded my perspective of all men in general. Sorry no offense to anyone. I know I'm being narrow minded.

Unfortunately, being nicer to women than men has never done me much good in life...ugh

Well, they pick the wrong men. If they go for bad boys and got burn, then they shouldn't blame all the innocent men for it. They get what they are asking for.

[ByTmE]

Well, they pick the wrong men. If they go for bad boys and got burn, then they shouldn't blame all the innocent men for it. They get what they are asking for.

What are you talking about? Who picks the bad boys?

[Dirt]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100709...xecutionrights

Looks like Iran is backing off from stoning the woman. Things do change when people can, are not afraid and willing to speak out.

[Trien Chieu]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100709...xecutionrights

Looks like Iran is backing off from stoning the woman. Things do change when people can, are not afraid and willing to speak out.

Stoning as a death penalty is indeed too cruel and should be outlaw. Other methods such as lethal injection and hanging are more acceptable.

[kidd]

Stoning as a death penalty is indeed too cruel and should be outlaw. Other methods such as lethal injection and hanging are more acceptable.

Death penalty for adultery is not acceptable in any way or form.

So, you agree that people who committed adultery should be put to death?

[kidd]

Interesting article

The Gory Truth About Stoning

The punishment for adultery in the Quran is lashes, not stoning. In fact, nowhere in the whole of the Quran is stoning prescribed for any crime.

I guess this is more culture than religion?
Remember the 'He who is without sin cast the first stone' story in the Bible? That means stoning as a punishment for adultery predates Islam.

[Lucre]

i honestly do not even support death sentence; much less for adultery. especially when women get the punishment more often than not, it doesnt even seem conceivable that women are all that tempted to commit adultery considering that they know its death if caught. just like most of you do not go and murder others because similarly, you know the price of getting caught can be severe.

the problem is, how do we know if the women are truly guilty? they could have been victims of these men.