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    Default Xiao Long Nu vs Linghu Chung

    Would would Linghu Chong be able to overcome XLNs Jadu Maiden/ Quanh Zhen with Left/right technique
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    Could be close but I think LHC has the edge here with his DG9S, Star sucking skill and Sinew changing classic.

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    Not only is Xiao Longnu faster than Dongfan Bubai but her combination of Jade Maiden/Quan Zhen has NO weakneses in the swordplay. How would Linghu Chong be able to overcome this? Dugu 9 Swords strongest area is detecting weaknesses in a characters in sword arts but happens when your opponent DOESN'T have a weakness?
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    Quote Originally Posted by minutemanwayne View Post
    Not only is Xiao Longnu faster than Dongfan Bubai but her combination of Jade Maiden/Quan Zhen has NO weakneses in the swordplay. How would Linghu Chong be able to overcome this? Dugu 9 Swords strongest area is detecting weaknesses in a characters in sword arts but happens when your opponent DOESN'T have a weakness?
    From what I understand, the Dook Goo 9 Swords can *create* weaknesses where none exist.

    Also, Little Dragon Girl isn't faster than Dung Fong But Bai. Dung Fong But Bai was likely the fastest character to ever appear in a Jin Yong story. His/her speed put all others to shame.

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    With two people the weakness of each were covered perfectly but it was mentioned that executing it with a single person reduced the prowess of the technique.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    From what I understand, the Dook Goo 9 Swords can *create* weaknesses where none exist.

    Also, Little Dragon Girl isn't faster than Dung Fong But Bai. Dung Fong But Bai was likely the fastest character to ever appear in a Jin Yong story. His/her speed put all others to shame.
    Dongfang Bubai may have been quicker with body movements, although I've said before that even Yang Guo was no slouch. Xiao Longnu's swordplay was ridiculously fast though, with individual strokes that were too fast for the eye to distinguish, even to onlookers. One of the Mongol mercs, possibly Xiaoxiang Zi, tried to protect Zhao Zhijing who was behind him, blocked a Xiao Longnu strike, only for Zhao Zhijing to be injured by another strike which he didn't even see. Qiu Chuji watched the fight between Xiao Longnu and the Mongols, and concluded that there was no countering the Ancient Tomb's martial arts, as it was impossible to devise a counter to strokes one couldn't even see.

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    It's hard to use lower level fighters as an accurate gauge of fighters that are far faster than them.

    GJ was so fast against the 96 QZ disciples that his body was only a blur. But we still wouldn't put his speed as particularly supreme.

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    well XLN would pwn Linghu Chong's *** as hes hindered by the internal problem and i dont think he can win the jade manual with left right techniques and also she learnt some nine yin so yea she will pwn linghu chong's ***.

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    Linghu Chong's sword style has huge plot armor attached to it. In a regular match, I'd give it to XLN and her no weakness swordplay but if I had to make a choice, his weakness making style, aka broken sword style would win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    From what I understand, the Dook Goo 9 Swords can *create* weaknesses where none exist.
    Quote Originally Posted by CancerLuna View Post
    In a regular match, I'd give it to XLN and her no weakness swordplay but if I had to make a choice, his weakness making style, aka broken sword style would win.
    Creating weaknesses where none exist is a property of Zhang Wuji's QKDNY, not DG9G. DG9G can only exploit weaknesses that are already there, which was why he had such problems with Chong Xu's Taiji Sword (couldn't find the weakness) and DFBB (can find the weakness, but couldn't exploit it in time).

    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    Also, Little Dragon Girl isn't faster than Dung Fong But Bai. Dung Fong But Bai was likely the fastest character to ever appear in a Jin Yong story. His/her speed put all others to shame.
    LHC, RWX and XWT could all see DFBB's moves clearly, but just weren't
    capable of reacting to them in time. By contrast, XLN's opponents couldn't even make out any of her individual strokes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Kwok View Post
    Creating weaknesses where none exist is a property of Zhang Wuji's QKDNY, not DG9G. DG9G can only exploit weaknesses that are already there, which was why he had such problems with Chong Xu's Taiji Sword (couldn't find the weakness) and DFBB (can find the weakness, but couldn't exploit it in time).



    LHC, RWX and XWT could all see DFBB's moves clearly, but just weren't
    capable of reacting to them in time. By contrast, XLN's opponents couldn't even make out any of her individual strokes...

    So untrue.... LHC RWX XWT were equivalent of the 4 greats. or near like the palm floating on water dude.

    the fact that they could not react to the speed of DFBB clearly shows the extreem speed. while dragon girl was considerd fast... when she fought golden wheel monk she could not use her speed in an agressive maner 1v1... this clearly shows the limitation of her speed.

    even though she was the fastest person of her time, she was not on the same level as DFBB she was more on the level of the Bat king from sword saber book
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    Quote Originally Posted by aliderhamy View Post
    So untrue.... LHC RWX XWT were equivalent of the 4 greats. or near like the palm floating on water dude.

    the fact that they could not react to the speed of DFBB clearly shows the extreem speed. while dragon girl was considerd fast...
    If they could not react to DFBB's speed, then they would all have been killed in one hit, like DFBB's ex-best friend. They clearly could react, but not effectively - they could only lash out reflexively (without the benefit of analysing the incoming move, because there was no time) or try to get the first hit in. LHC couldn't do his usual 'spot the weakness, attack it' trick, because by the time he spotted the weakness he would have already been hit and/or DFBB would have changed to another move already.

    When the fight started, LHC tried stabbing DFBB after he started moving, which forced a partial miss from DFBB because he was forced to defend. Later, when DFBB stabbed a needle at his eye, he stabbed straight back, also resulting in a near miss. This shows that it is just about possible to react to DFBB after the fact - something that was said to be impossible with XLN (though you could argue that was because her opponents were of lower calibre).

    Quote Originally Posted by aliderhamy View Post
    when she fought golden wheel monk she could not use her speed in an agressive maner 1v1... this clearly shows the limitation of her speed.
    The monk was decisively losing the battle - he was forced into a purely defensive posture, and was getting one minor cut after another. Jinyong did write that he could have forced her back by forcibly counter-attacking with his vastly superior power, but he did not do so. DFBB probably doesn't suffer this problem because his inner power was such that he could defend against attacks head-on with his needle.

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    If that is true XLN should win, unless LHC is both more powerful and faster than GWM.

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    I think XLN should easily win this. LHC does not stand a chance IMHO

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    It really depends on if we're talking about end-novel LHC ... who isn't the usual half-dead swordsman we're used to seeing in our heads. Remember, DG9J powered by Yijinjing could be a very different story.
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    But has hasn't shown what hes about with Yijingjing
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    The whole "can't see her moves" thing is really overblown when we're talking about fighters who, while strong on their own accord, were scrubs compared to even LOCH QQR (the minimum level I put RWX at).

    GJ moved so quickly that his entire body turned into an indistinct blur to 98 observers in the beginning of ROCH. Shall we crown him the Ultimate Speedster of Jin Yong (TM)?

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    XLN > GWM
    GJ >= OYF
    GJ >= GWM
    GWM > LOCH QQR, assuming greats leveled up after LOCH, and QQR being slightly below greats

    If the minimum level RWX is at is LOCH QQR, the minimal level LHC is at is below QQR, who is below both GWM and XLN.

    GWM's only advantage on XLN is his superior inner power which he could have utilized to win. LHC doesn't have as much inner power. He doesn't seem to have anything going for him.

    Sidenote,
    Didn't LHC think he would have lost to LPZ if they fought one on one, and LPZ strength was his overwhelming speed. XLN is just a souped up version of that.

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    Except LHC still managed to keep up with that speed and win anyway.

    And my point is that low-level scrubs like the Mongolian warriors seeing XLN as a blur means nothing.

    It should be obvious that higher level fighters can see things that lower level fighters only see as a blur so saying that XLN is faster than DFBB because she was a blur isn't proof of anything.

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