Was Guo Jing already equal with ZBT at the time of Ouyang Feng's fight?

[CancerLuna]

After GJ's fight with OYF, one can conclude that GJ>=OYF, but was he superior to ZBT at this point too?

[Snafu3721]

After GJ's fight with OYF, one can conclude that GJ>=OYF, but was he superior to ZBT at this point too?

I don't know if anyone gets the same feel that I do in ROCH--

It almost doesn't show ZBT being better than the other Greats. I personally always assumed and believed ZBT is stronger

But we have H7G catch up to crazy OYF, who was stronger than the other Greats by end of LOCH. So maybe the other Greats caught up to ZBT? Just a random thought

[Ken Cheng]

I don't know if anyone gets the same feel that I do in ROCH--

It almost doesn't show ZBT being better than the other Greats. I always assumed and believe ZBT is stronger

But we have H7G catch up to crazy OYF, who was stronger than the other Greats by end of LOCH. So maybe the other Greats caught up to ZBT? Just a random thought

The difference between West Poison Au Yeung Fung and the other Greats at the Second Mt. Hua Sword Tournament was just a hairsbreadth. One-on-one, Au Yeung Fung was just *barely* able to edge out Wong Yerk See and Hung 7 Gung, and ultimately, it was the weirdness of what he did...not actual superiority in martial arts...that won the fight for him. After Hung 7 Gung figured it out (by the time of ROCH), Au Yeung Fung no longer had that very slight advantage.

[Snafu3721]

The difference between West Poison Au Yeung Fung and the other Greats at the Second Mt. Hua Sword Tournament was just a hairsbreadth. One-on-one, Au Yeung Fung was just *barely* able to edge out Wong Yerk See and Hung 7 Gung, and ultimately, it was the weirdness of what he did...not actual superiority in martial arts...that won the fight for him. After Hung 7 Gung figured it out (by the time of ROCH), Au Yeung Fung no longer had that very slight advantage.

It wasn't just a hairsbreadth. Although OYF wasn't winning by a huge margin either.

Crazy and weird as OYF was, he really was beating HYS and H7G. Even to the point that the proud HYS conceded defeat because he was unsure he can beat OYF. Thus, HYS had to swallow the insult that the combined forces of H7G and HYS lost to a madman

[Ken Cheng]

It wasn't just a hairsbreadth. Although OYF wasn't winning by a huge margin either.

Crazy and weird as OYF was, he really was beating HYS and H7G. Even to the point that the proud HYS conceded defeat because he was unsure he can beat OYF. Thus, HYS had to swallow the insult that the combined forces of H7G and HYS lost to a madman

The fight with Wong Yerk See ended when Au Yeung Fung bit him on the index finger. That drew blood and probably hurt like a motherf*cker, but Wong Yerk See wasn't incapacitated. He could have continued the fight if he wanted to and maybe have won, but his pride didn't permit that.

Hung 7 Gung did even better. He actually got a few good shots in against Au Yeung Fung, but Au Yeung Fung hit Hung 7 Gung in the shoulder with a really solid hit. Compared to past injuries that Au Yeung Fung had inflicted on Hung 7 Gung, this was nothing...but it still meant that Hung 7 Gung couldn't continue the fight (and didn't).

But it was pretty close in any case.

[Snafu3721]

The fight with Wong Yerk See ended when Au Yeung Fung bit him on the index finger. That drew blood and probably hurt like a motherf*cker, but Wong Yerk See wasn't incapacitated. He could have continued the fight if he wanted to and maybe have won, but his pride didn't permit that.

Hung 7 Gung did even better. He actually got a few good shots in against Au Yeung Fung, but Au Yeung Fung hit Hung 7 Gung in the shoulder with a really solid hit. Compared to past injuries that Au Yeung Fung had inflicted on Hung 7 Gung, this was nothing...but it still meant that Hung 7 Gung couldn't continue the fight (and didn't).

But it was pretty close in any case.

H7G did decent, then exchanged blows with OYF due to some assistance from HYS (which HYS already felt some embarassment because he knew they were teaming up against OYF). But H7G's hit did nothing to OYF because his pressure points were all messed up. Not to mention H7G only landed the hit because he was missing an index finger. H7G baited OYF to bite him but used this as a diversion to strike OYF.

And the hit H7G received was difused because H7G flipped backwards (likehow GJ flipped when he collided with GWM). But that diffused strike still incapacitated H7G and he could no longer fight

[Ken Cheng]

H7G did decent, then exchanged blows with OYF due to some assistance from HYS (which HYS already felt some embarassment because he knew they were teaming up against OYF). But H7G's hit did nothing to OYF because his pressure points were all messed up. Not to mention H7G only landed the hit because he was missing an index finger. H7G baited OYF to bite him but used this as a diversion to strike OYF.

And the hit H7G received was difused because H7G flipped backwards (likehow GJ flipped when he collided with GWM). But that diffused strike still incapacitated H7G and he could no longer fight

Yeah...so I thought the outcome was pretty close. It wasn't as if West Poison was beating on the other two like drums. Hung 7 Gung and Wong Yerk See could close that gap fairly easily, although they couldn't get it done that afternoon.

[CancerLuna]

It is certainly surprising, that ZBT with 9yin, without sanskrit and Quanzhen Internal, would get caught up to in terms of Internal.

Being the MA lover he is + Quanzhen boost over the year, he should be way ahead of them.

Did Sanskrit portion of 9yin improve GJ's internal over the years?

[Ken Cheng]

It is certainly surprising, that ZBT with 9yin, without sanskrit and Quanzhen Internal, would get caught up to in terms of Internal.

Being the MA lover he is + Quanzhen boost over the year, he should be way ahead of them.

Did Sanskrit portion of 9yin improve GJ's internal over the years?

It must have. Nothing else he had would have increased his inner power that much that fast.

I have a feeling that throughout ROCH, we've never really seen Chow Bak Tung really, really go all-out.

[PJ]

Zhou Botong was always a little better above the other old Greats. In ROCH pre-16 years, Zhou was obviously a lot better than GWM, the superiority not unlike GJ's. Post-16 years, it was again Zhou out of the old Greats that fared best against double-powered GWM. Zhou also fared better than HYS against Yang Guo.

[CancerLuna]

So was it, the sanskrit portion of 9 Yin that allowed GJ to catch up to ZBT or did he even catch up at all

They both had, 9yin, quanzhen, except ZBT should have higher/deeper internal. Both should have that never ending quanzhen internal boost, not to mention ZBT should have had a huge lead.

Whatever powerup ZBT had during the LOCH -> ROCH transition is dwarfed heavily by what GJ had if they were at parity pre-16 years already.

Interestingly, GJ had a 16 year time frame to power up, YG also had a 16 year time frame to power up. Yet GJ's first 16 years(LOCH -> ROCH) only came to pre-16 ROCH great, and then the next 16, gain even MORE power, since everyone doubled.

YG had to more than double during that time frame.

Just random thoughts, seems interesting GJ's next pre-16 - > post-16 transition is supposedly superior to his loch - > roch transition despite how YG says it becomes extremely hard to get stronger as one levels up.

[devilz91]

Just random thoughts, seems interesting GJ's next pre-16 - > post-16 transition is supposedly superior to his loch - > roch transition despite how YG says it becomes extremely hard to get stronger as one levels up.

I would not say so. GJ at most doubled his power during the 16 year gap and he definitely more than doubled between LOCH and ROCH (I estimate about 4-5x). In pre-16 years I think ZBT and GJ are roughly equal.

[CancerLuna]

Guo Jing pre ROCH
3

Guo Jing pre 16
3x4 = 12
12

Guo Jing Post 16
12x2
24

Guo Jing gained 12 by post 16, whereas he gained only 9 loch - > roch.

Of course these are just random numbers to illustrate a point. Whatever he gained in loch - > roch, he actually more than doubled it then.

Edit.

In fact if I use these numbers again, randomly assigning them of course, it becomes weird again for the other greats

I'll go backwards

Roch great post 16
24

Roch great pre 16
12 (since everyone doubled, its around 12)

Loch great
x>3(3 being Guo Jing's level, and the greats being much better than him)

This means that assuming Greats were only at 4 in Loch, they tripled their power going from loch - > roch and doubled their power going from pre 16-post 16.

The question is, how are they gaining MORE power during a certain time span, when they should be getting less and less, since it is definitely more difficult to gain internal as one gets more of it.

[devilz91]

If you're putting it that way then yes, GJ increased his power more in absolute terms but not in relative terms.

[CancerLuna]

Yes, and that is why its confusing. Its not impressive to have a power of 10 and go to 40. Its impressive to go from 40 to 80, when you're already so high level.

Think rpg leveling. Level 1 - 10 is easy. Tripling that is easy. Now going from 30 - 60 is amazing, done within the same time span, impossible.