Miejue = Jiumozhi | Yideng?

[PJ]

Jiumozhi and Yideng are famous for their "gentle talking," but did you know that in HSDS, Miejue did something very similar?

忽听得一个清脆的女子声音说
道：“晓芙，怎地如此不争气？走过去便走过去！”纪晓芙又惊又喜，回身叫道：“师父
！”但背后并无人影，凝神一瞧，才见远处有个身穿灰布袍的尼姑缓缓走来，正是峨嵋派
掌门，师父灭绝师太。她身后还随着两名弟子，一是师姊丁敏君，一是师妹贝锦仪。金花
婆婆见她相隔如此之远，颜面都还瞧不清楚，但说话声传到各人耳中便如是近在咫尺一般
，足见内力之深厚。

Translated by SmokeyTheBear:

Suddenly a crisp and clear female voice was heard, “Xiaofu, how can you be so useless? Go over if you want to!” Ji Xiaofu was shocked but happy, turned around and said, “Master!”, but there was no trace of anyone behind her. She looked carefully, only then did she see a grey-robed nun slowly walking over from a distance away, precisely the headmaster of Emei, her master Miejue Shitai*. Following behind her were two disciples, one was her elder martial-sister Ding Minjun, one was her younger martial-sister Bei Jinyi. The Golden Flower Granny saw that she was so far away that even her face could not be seen clearly, yet her voice was transmitted to everyone’s ears as though she was very close, which was sufficient proof of her profound internal energy.

[PJ]

Anyway, Miejue is one of those people who had some moments of glorious feats, but also some sucky underperformances. For example, the gentle talking above is a great moment, but just a minute later her sword got broken by Dai Yisi.

[Dirt]

Guo Xiang was probably so impressed with what Yideng did, she created a martial art that could allow even a lower level of internal person than Yideng talk softly across vast distances.

[tape]

JY does a pretty good job of making a lot of second tier characters look pretty powerful.

I wouldn't really be worried for the ROCH/LOCH greats if a team of second tier fighters ganged up on them, but I'd be pretty worried for Wuji if Ah San,Er,Da and the Xuan Ming elders had the jump on him.

The four Guardian Lords + Yang Xiao/Fan Yao would also be quite a handful.

This reminds me of the deterioration theory, which originally was used to say wulin as a whole declined, but it seems that wulin as a whole was at its strongest in the HSDS period outside of possibly DGSD. We can probably name 30-50+ fighters on the Yang Xiao (i.e. awesome but far from Greats) tier.

[devilz91]

This reminds me of the deterioration theory, which originally was used to say wulin as a whole declined, but it seems that wulin as a whole was at its strongest in the HSDS period outside of possibly DGSD. We can probably name 30-50+ fighters on the Yang Xiao (i.e. awesome but far from Greats) tier.

It works better if you treat the Condor trilogy as a whole, otherwise you'd have the wulin of SPW or OTG being overall better than LOCH.

[Ken Cheng]

It works better if you treat the Condor trilogy as a whole, otherwise you'd have the wulin of SPW or OTG being overall better than LOCH.

They probably *are*. Some of that SPW stuff is outright scary, even by DGSD standards.

[PJ]

It works better if you treat the Condor trilogy as a whole, otherwise you'd have the wulin of SPW or OTG being overall better than LOCH.

That's a good point. For Yang Xiao-level fighters, LOCH was the weakest, ROCH was a little better, and HSDS had the most.

For Great-level, ROCH was probably the strongest, then LOCH, while HSDS is dramatically worse.

[devilz91]

By my estimations, the # of LOCH Great level fighters or higher:

DGSD: 15+
ROCH: 10+
SPW: 6+
LOCH: 6
OTG: 3
HSDS: 2+

And the # of YX level or higher:

DGSD: 30+
HSDS: 20+
ROCH: 15+
SPW: 10+
LOCH: 7+
OTG: 5+

And any novel after that would have 0 fighters in either category.

In HSDS the distribution of fighters seem to center around YX level, there aren't that many characters that are really weak. Whereas in DGSD and ROCH there are many fighters that exceed YX level, and LOCH just had really weak characters overall. SPW represents more of a normal curve and OTG has a negative-skew.

[tape]

It just seems that the deterioration theory doesn't carry much water when LOCH/ROCH wulin (and pre-LOCH as theorized by PJ) was completely crap, and for those that think Dugu didn't have quality opponents either, it extends for another couple decades. That is over a century of low level wulin minus the outlier Greats. Remember, we discussed the theory for wulin as a whole, and wasn't intended for use for the uber-elites.

[Polar-kun]

OTG has many Hero Island disciples as strong as Zhang 3 Li 4,(who are generally agreed to be stronger or at least as strong as YX). SPW has 10+ nameless/minor Demon Cult Elders each individually as strong as Bujie Monk (who should be around YX's tier). So disregarding great-lvl fighters and above, it would be DSGD > OTG > SPW > HSDS > ROCH >> LOCH

[a_tumiwa]

Jiumozhi and Yideng are famous for their "gentle talking," but did you know that in HSDS, Miejue did something very similar?

忽听得一个清脆的女子声音说
道：“晓芙，怎地如此不争气？走过去便走过去！”纪晓芙又惊又喜，回身叫道：“师父
！”但背后并无人影，凝神一瞧，才见远处有个身穿灰布袍的尼姑缓缓走来，正是峨嵋派
掌门，师父灭绝师太。她身后还随着两名弟子，一是师姊丁敏君，一是师妹贝锦仪。金花
婆婆见她相隔如此之远，颜面都还瞧不清楚，但说话声传到各人耳中便如是近在咫尺一般
，足见内力之深厚。

Translated by SmokeyTheBear:

Suddenly a crisp and clear female voice was heard, “Xiaofu, how can you be so useless? Go over if you want to!” Ji Xiaofu was shocked but happy, turned around and said, “Master!”, but there was no trace of anyone behind her. She looked carefully, only then did she see a grey-robed nun slowly walking over from a distance away, precisely the headmaster of Emei, her master Miejue Shitai*. Following behind her were two disciples, one was her elder martial-sister Ding Minjun, one was her younger martial-sister Bei Jinyi. The Golden Flower Granny saw that she was so far away that even her face could not be seen clearly, yet her voice was transmitted to everyone’s ears as though she was very close, which was sufficient proof of her profound internal energy.

isnt Miao Renfeng of flying fox also did voice transmission similar to this when he met Hu Fei on snowy mountain?
so its mean Hu Fei also = Mie Jue = Yi Deng / Jiumozhi level?

[CC]

isnt Miao Renfeng of flying fox also did voice transmission similar to this when he met Hu Fei on snowy mountain?
so its mean Hu Fei also = Mie Jue = Yi Deng / Jiumozhi level?

Zhuo Bufan also achieved this feat by transmitting his voice clearly across a damn mountain peak.

[Polar-kun]

If two feats are similar in quality then we must compare quantity. The likes of Miejue and iirc YBQ could replicate the feat, albeit for a shorter distance. What Zhuo Bufan did was more comparable to original feats, maybe we should increase his standing??

[PJ]

There's a difference between long distance voice transmission (which is what Mr. Zhuo and the Four Marvels of A Deadly Secret did) and long/medium distance voice transmission with "next-to-you" clarity, which is what Yideng, JMZ, and Miejue did. Both are impressive in different ways, but the latter is certainly more refined.

I have no knowledge about the Miao Renfeng instance.

[CC]

There's a difference between long distance voice transmission (which is what Mr. Zhuo and the Four Marvels of A Deadly Secret did) and long/medium distance voice transmission with "next-to-you" clarity, which is what Yideng, JMZ, and Miejue did. Both are impressive in different ways, but the latter is certainly more refined.

I have no knowledge about the Miao Renfeng instance.

And then there is the Li Qiushui version.