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    Iran-China trade exceeds 45 billion dollars in 2011

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    TEHRAN — Trade between Iran and China soared by 55 percent on year to exceed 45 billion dollars in 2011, Tehran's envoy to Beijing was quoted as saying on Wednesday.

    Ambassador Mehdi Safari said in Beijing that the annual trade figures showed a 16 billion-dollar increase in commercial ties with China since 2010, the official IRNA news agency reported.

    China is Iran's top trade partner, with economic ties expanding in recent years partly thanks to the withdrawal of Western companies in line with sanctions against the Islamic republic over its contentious nuclear drive.

    The Asian economic giant has also significantly strengthened its presence in Iran's oil and gas sector by signing a series of contracts worth up to 40 billion dollars in the past few years, in place of Western firms.

    Iran is the third largest provider of oil to China.

    China defended its economic and oil trade with Tehran as legitimate after the European Union imposed sanctions on the oil exports of the Islamic republic, which provides 11 percent of China's oil imports.

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    I would say that China is smarter than western countries in term of dealing with middle eastern and African countries. In most cases, you can get much better deals with those ruthless dictators, if you mind your own business, than democratic elected leaders. I guess the loss of those western countries is the gain of China. Too bad that most western countries don't understand "TAKE A STEP BACK THERE IS A GREAT PLAIN AND SKY".
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    When it comes to African and mideast countries, it is basically like this:

    China - Do business with us.
    West - Do business with us and political align with us.

    All that human right, democracy mumbo jumbo is pure PR. Uncle Sam would love it if every country in the middle east is a good little dictator like the Saudis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimeron View Post
    When it comes to African and mideast countries, it is basically like this:

    China - Do business with us.
    West - Do business with us and political align with us.

    All that human right, democracy mumbo jumbo is pure PR. Uncle Sam would love it if every country in the middle east is a good little dictator like the Saudis.
    What is PR???
    Nah, US is the leader of the free world so its main goal is to spread freedom, democracy, and human rights to every corner of the world. However, it's very very hard for US to succeed in most of the African and Mideast countries as they prefer sticking to Marxism where they can obtain absolute power and they also can transfer power from one generation to another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trien Chieu View Post
    What is PR???
    Nah, US is the leader of the free world so its main goal is to spread freedom, democracy, and human rights to every corner of the world. However, it's very very hard for US to succeed in most of the African and Mideast countries as they prefer sticking to Marxism where they can obtain absolute power and they also can transfer power from one generation to another.
    PR is public relations. Please read here to see what it does: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_relations

    Are there only two types of political ideologies to you? Democracy and Marxism? And Marxism is where all the bad ideas are, even if they are NOT Marxism, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimeron View Post
    China - Do business with us.
    You should read up on Burma and Sudan.

    Then there's Syria that China vetoed action over.

    China is more subtle about it, but to say that China does not have political motives behind its actions beyond business is not really true.

    I agree with you on the USA, what I find curious is how you criticize the USA for doing stuff then applaud China for doing the same thing. Reading your posts is like reading Western media's take on Tibet. Just in reverse.
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    All nations work for their best interest. China is no exception. The main difference is China is far more passive than US. China will intervene other nation’s domestic politics, but that’s generally the exception rather than the rule, while for the USA (and the Europe) it is the rule rather than the exception. Look at UN veto record. Compare the number of wars USA was involved in the last 50 years vs the number of wars that China is involved in. Last 20 years alone USA has deployed military intervention in Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya.

    I’m not even counting the various operations CIA has done over the decades.

    And lastly, China is fairly honest and consistent about its policy of non-intervention, where as USA is extremely hypocritical about its own imperialism (and imperialism on a scale far dwarfs what China can do in modern history). But to be fair, if China is in US's position it will probably not act all that different, but will probably be more honest and less hypocritical. (ie, claiming moral superiority while bombing civlians).

    Take Iran for example, they are close to China not because China went in, set up bunch of military bases, and then propped up a puppet dictatorship. (like the Saudi Arabia and Iraq), but rather because of Pariah status of Iran, and China’s unwillingness to meddle with other people’s domestic business and its willingness to do business with anyone.

    Syria situation is another good example; the west openly supports the rebel, while China’s position is to let Syria solve its own civil war. China only vetoed after the resolution is pushed and China was forced to make a choice between appeasements to Arab league/West or further solidify its relation with Russia/Iran. China's move is purely reactionary.

    In terms of Africa China, watch this debate, it sheds far more light on Chinese Africa situation then typical biased mass media. It talks about some of the points I made.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=FXck9BS3Hfw

    Read this lady’s blog, she knows what she’s talking about when it comes to Africa and China
    http://www.chinaafricarealstory.com/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimeron View Post

    Read this lady’s blog, she knows what she’s talking about when it comes to Africa and China
    http://www.chinaafricarealstory.com/
    Interesting blog. Thanks for sharing, Dimeron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guo Xiang View Post

    Are there only two types of political ideologies to you? Democracy and Marxism? And Marxism is where all the bad ideas are, even if they are NOT Marxism, right?
    Hahaha yeah I did a double take when I read what he wrote about the Middle East and Marxism. The only time I've heard other people mention Islamic countries and communism in the same sentence are from those yahoo comment pages where Teabaggers and rightwing folks accuse Obama of being a commie and a Muslim in the same breath.

    As for China, I think the non-intervention policy is smart. While the US and Europe are drawing heat from the Middle East and getting blamed for how messed up those countries are, China is quietly gathering strategic assets and reaping gains in the region.

    In other words, China is getting exactly what the US is after minus the political enmity.
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