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    Both Xiao Wu Xiang Gong & Qian Kun Da Nuo Yi was able to replicate another skill.

    Was there any relations in the novel between these 2 skills?

    XWXG had 8 levels and JMZ took 7 of them. QKDNY had 7 levels and the last part was incorrect.

    Was QKDNY created with the incomplete knowledge of XWXG?
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    Interesting...

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    If Qian Kun Shift really could "copy" other skills then why Wuji still need Z3F and XZ guidelines to teach him Tai Chi and Persian Holy Tablet Martial Arts why he didn't "instantly" copying these skills..

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    QKDNY is more like Murong family's Star Shifting technique. They both redirect the opponent's attack back to them or to a third person. QKDNY is superior because it also allows one to maximize his strength and spot the opponent's weaknesses. QKDNY also allows one to analyze the opponent's techniques but copying their moves is more due to ZWJ's geniuses, I believe.

    XWXG to me is more like any other internal-focused manuals like YJJ or 9Yang in that, you can use it to power your techniques. XWXG is different because if you use it effectively, your opponent wouldn't even know you're using it, hence the "wuxiang" in XWXG. However, also because of this feature, it can cause injury if it's not compatible with the external technique. For example, JMZ got into trouble because he used XWXG, a Taoist art, to power Shaolin's Buddhist arts. Other internal manuals like 9Yang don't have this problem. ZWJ uses 9Yang to power everything, from non-Chinese arts like QKDNY to soft arts like Taiji or hard arts like 7 Damage Fist.

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    Maybe because Tai Chi focus on counter-ing. That is definitely true for the Swordplay. I always felt that the Fist version also works similarly. Maybe not entirely, but at least half.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Western Eccentric View Post
    If Qian Kun Shift really could "copy" other skills then why Wuji still need Z3F and XZ guidelines to teach him Tai Chi and Persian Holy Tablet Martial Arts why he didn't "instantly" copying these skills..
    Hmm how did he learn the Dragon Claw Hand during the fight with Kongxing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stance View Post
    Hmm how did he learn the Dragon Claw Hand during the fight with Kongxing?
    Nach he could "copy" Shaolin Dragon Claw but he couldn't "copy" Tai Chi and Persian Holy Tablet Martial Arts by only his "sight" since he need Z3F and XZ guidence..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Western Eccentric View Post
    Nach he could "copy" Shaolin Dragon Claw but he couldn't "copy" Tai Chi and Persian Holy Tablet Martial Arts by only his "sight" since he need Z3F and XZ guidence..
    Was it ever explained in the novel how he managed to learn the Shaolin Dragon Claw?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdenResident View Post
    QKDNY is more like Murong family's Star Shifting technique. They both redirect the opponent's attack back to them or to a third person. QKDNY is superior because it also allows one to maximize his strength and spot the opponent's weaknesses. QKDNY also allows one to analyze the opponent's techniques but copying their moves is more due to ZWJ's geniuses, I believe.

    XWXG to me is more like any other internal-focused manuals like YJJ or 9Yang in that, you can use it to power your techniques. XWXG is different because if you use it effectively, your opponent wouldn't even know you're using it, hence the "wuxiang" in XWXG. However, also because of this feature, it can cause injury if it's not compatible with the external technique. For example, JMZ got into trouble because he used XWXG, a Taoist art, to power Shaolin's Buddhist arts. Other internal manuals like 9Yang don't have this problem. ZWJ uses 9Yang to power everything, from non-Chinese arts like QKDNY to soft arts like Taiji or hard arts like 7 Damage Fist.
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