What might Dook Goo Kau Bai have felt about the future of his Heavy Iron Sword?

[Ken Cheng]

Before his death, Dook Goo Kau Bai interred the Heavy Iron Sword (and his other swords) in the sword tomb near his isolated cave. His expectation was likely that after his death, his swords would remain, like him, buried forever...never to be seen or used in wulin again.

It likely would have surprised Dook Goo Kau Bai that Yeung Gor would revive the Heavy Iron Sword, and that later, the Heavy Iron Sword would literally be reforged and repurposed as the Heaven Sword and the Dragon Sabre, causing bedlam in wulin for generations. I wonder how Dook Goo Kau Bai would have felt had he known all this.

[tape]

The Heaven Sword/Dragon Sabre thing would probably have surprised and amused him. He might even chuckle to himself and feel his martial arts are better than the much sought after 9 Yin.

As for Yang Guo finding the HIS, I think he must have expected or even hoped something like that would happen. Nobody would be able to resist trying out his swords after the stuff he had engraved on the tomb. It's actually a bit weird nobody found it earlier -- weren't they not very far off from civilization considering Yang Guo was able to get there in a couple hours suffering from excessive bleeding, loss of arm, and severe poison?

[Ken Cheng]

The Heaven Sword/Dragon Sabre thing would probably have surprised and amused him. He might even chuckle to himself and feel his martial arts are better than the much sought after 9 Yin.

That wouldn't amuse him; that'd depress him. This is the man who supposedly sought his equal/superior for decades.

It may be that his own techniques were better suited for the quick kill than any technique in the 9 Yum Jen Ging, but he'd probably still find the manual useful that things weren't strictly about fighting and killing. The manual had techniques for balancing yin and yang energies, circulating internal energy for healing and other effects, and geometrically building inner power without reliance on external agents. This stuff likely would have intrigued Dook Goo Kau Bai.

[Banh Mi]

I would think that a man in pursuit of perfection in the sword would find it shameful that an entire generation of martial artists would be blinded by the object of a sword as more important than the skills wielding it.

[PJ]

He would be proud of YG seeing how the latter reached the stage of HIS at a younger age. It would make him want to come back to life and spar with his successor's Anran Xiaohun Zhang.

[Ken Cheng]

He would be proud of YG seeing how the latter reached the stage of HIS at a younger age. It would make him want to come back to life and spar with his successor's Anran Xiaohun Zhang.

Would Dook Goo Kau Bai be impressed by a "mere" Yeung Gor? If everything we're *supposed* to believe about Dook Goo Kau Bai is true, then he's likely fought and defeated ROCH Greats-level opponents with relative ease. Yeung Gor and the other ROCH Greats would just be more speed bumps for Dook Goo Kau Bai if his legend actually proved true.

[tape]

Young age usually wins respect, just as Huang Yaoshi was impressed Yang Guo reached a high level of internal strength relative to his age even though Huang eventually reached a much higher level.

The greats are often impressed by LOCH Guo Jing too, due to his age and accomplishments.

[PJ]

Would Dook Goo Kau Bai be impressed by a "mere" Yeung Gor? If everything we're *supposed* to believe about Dook Goo Kau Bai is true, then he's likely fought and defeated ROCH Greats-level opponents with relative ease. Yeung Gor and the other ROCH Greats would just be more speed bumps for Dook Goo Kau Bai if his legend actually proved true.

It was implied (see text below) that Yang Guo at age 20, wielding HIS =~ Dugu Qiubai in his 30s wielding HIS. YG at that point may or may not be of the exact same level as Dugu, but it was close enough for the narrator to make the implication. So, I think Dugu Qiubai would be impressed that his successor reached a similar level much younger.

可是杨过这路剑法实是独孤求败的绝技，虽然年代相隔久远，不能亲得这位前辈的传授，但洪水练剑，蛇胆增力， 仗着神雕之助，杨过所习剑法已仿怫于当年天下无敌的剑魔。

[Ken Cheng]

It was implied (see text below) that Yang Guo at age 20, wielding HIS =~ Dugu Qiubai in his 30s wielding HIS. YG at that point may or may not be of the exact same level as Dugu, but it was close enough for the narrator to make the implication. So, I think Dugu Qiubai would be impressed that his successor reached a similar level much younger.

可是杨过这路剑法实是独孤求败的绝技，虽然年代相隔久远，不能亲得这位前辈的传授，但洪水练剑，蛇胆增力， 仗着神雕之助，杨过所习剑法已仿怫于当年天下无敌的剑魔。

The flip side of that, however, is that by the time that Dook Goo Kau Bai was forty, he was either in the Wooden Sword stage or the No Sword stage. At the end of ROCH, Yeung Gor was nearing the age of forty, but he had not attained Wooden Sword stage.

[PJ]

The flip side of that, however, is that by the time that Dook Goo Kau Bai was forty, he was either in the Wooden Sword stage or the No Sword stage. At the end of ROCH, Yeung Gor was nearing the age of forty, but he had not attained Wooden Sword stage.

I'm not sure why this matters, since the topic is about how Dugu Qiubai would feel about the HIS.

[Ken Cheng]

He would be proud of YG seeing how the latter reached the stage of HIS at a younger age. It would make him want to come back to life and spar with his successor's Anran Xiaohun Zhang.

I'm not sure why this matters, since the topic is about how Dugu Qiubai would feel about the HIS.

PJ, you, not I, took the discussion in this direction. If you don't want to continue this line of thought, that's fine, but I wasn't the one who initiated this tangent.

[Banh Mi]

It was implied (see text below) that Yang Guo at age 20, wielding HIS =~ Dugu Qiubai in his 30s wielding HIS. YG at that point may or may not be of the exact same level as Dugu, but it was close enough for the narrator to make the implication. So, I think Dugu Qiubai would be impressed that his successor reached a similar level much younger.

可是杨过这路剑法实是独孤求败的绝技，虽然年代相隔久远，不能亲得这位前辈的传授，但洪水练剑，蛇胆增力， 仗着神雕之助，杨过所习剑法已仿怫于当年天下无敌的剑魔。

He had DGQB paving the way for him first though. It's not terribly impressive if someone just copied you and didn't go through the trial and error process of doing it on their own.

[PJ]

He had DGQB paving the way for him first though. It's not terribly impressive if someone just copied you and didn't go through the trial and error process of doing it on their own.

True, the originator gets ample credit for the innovation. I'm a big proponent of that. But I think YG's extremely fast progress would impress any expert (I personally always thought it strangely unrealistic).

If you discredit talent in learning MA, then GJ would not be impressive since he had H7G and Huang Shang pave the way for him. XF wouldn't impress b/c he had the whole world paving the way for him. ZWJ, LHC, etc, none of them would be impressive, except the few inventers.

[Banh Mi]

Yeah, but there's being impressive from a normal person's standpoint. And there's being impressive from DGQB's standpoint. In general wulin consensus each of the people you listed are very impressive.

And we are also considering would Dugu be impressed by the ability of the skill, or the person who learned to use the skill.
What I mean to say is, he would be impressed by the martial art in and of itself, but not the person who learnt it.
I could see Dugu being impressed with ZSF creating a style from the HSDS poem, or HYS's Luoying Shen Jian skill. Dugu in my opinion wouldn't be impressed with DY's LMSJ if compared to himself, but he would be impressed by whoever created it, and he would be curious about fighting against DY and breaking that skill.

Sorta like H7G and OYF. H7G conceded to OYF in that he just learned dog beating stick and used it like that. OYF through sheer genius broke that style on his own. LCY broke the QZ style through her own efforts, WCY needed help to break her style which he admitted is not as impressive as what he had done.

[PJ]

It's not that hard to impress high level experts.
Tianshan Tonglao praised Murong Fu as having reached the stage of divinity in energy shifting.
H7G and OYF praised Daerba's disciples as Having a solid foundation.
Goldie was impressed by Zhao Zhijing and Yin Zhiping.
These ppl have only achieved a tiny fraction compared to YG's super fast gain.

Even if Dugu Qiubai were ten times pickier than his peers, he would still be impressed by YG's level gain.

[Banh Mi]

I suppose that also makes sense. Though do you think it would be different for the man who would weep for joy if he could meet someone that could force him to defend?

Just like someone who's level is so low he can't perceive how powerful the greats truly are. Could someone so high, look down on these achievements are trivial and not worth noticing?

[smurf120]

I would tend to think that DGQB would be more interested in fighting 9Yang + QKDLY enabled ZWJ than YG if he has reached the level of "without sword". Besides which they can fight using the two reforged weapons and hopefully get one move out before the weapons destroy each other.

[pannonian]

He had DGQB paving the way for him first though. It's not terribly impressive if someone just copied you and didn't go through the trial and error process of doing it on their own.

Yang Guo didn't exactly get much in the way of pointers. The Divine Eagle provided him with the material assistance to boost his internal energy, but the only instruction Yang Guo got was being directed to the heavy sword, being directed to the waterfall, and the Divine Eagle attacking him each time. Rather like Newton's apple inspiring him to formulate his law of gravity, Yang Guo got started with some very bare hints, from which he formed an entire MA philosophy.

[Banh Mi]

Yang Guo didn't exactly get much in the way of pointers. The Divine Eagle provided him with the material assistance to boost his internal energy, but the only instruction Yang Guo got was being directed to the heavy sword, being directed to the waterfall, and the Divine Eagle attacking him each time. Rather like Newton's apple inspiring him to formulate his law of gravity, Yang Guo got started with some very bare hints, from which he formed an entire MA philosophy.

It felt more like to me the eagle pushed him through a trial and error process until he got it right. The eagle wouldn't let him leave the waterfall until he was training under it, would beat him down until he could finally defend. It's quite clear YG would not be the person he is without the time he spent with the eagle, or the eagle would not let him stagnate while it could still help him.

[Han Solo]

I would not place too much trust or credence to the narrator.

The same narrator in XAJH praising opponents as someone that DGQB would be happy with.

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Han Solo