Impressed with Lee Mok Sau's erudition about wulin...

[Ken Cheng]

In recent months, we've had discussions about how surprisingly ignorant wulin people generally were even about the most accomplished and powerful wulin people of the time. For example, despite the Greats being the most powerful and important martial artists in wulin during L/ROCH, there were *scores* of people who were ignorant (some of them rather surprisingly so) of the Greats and their accomplishments.

For this reason, I find Lee Mok Sau's erudition on wulin affairs very impressive. Not only was she very familiar with the histories of all the Greats, but she knew the details of the lives and histories of more obscure martial artists such as East Heretic Wong Yerk See's students (who had died or retired from wulin YEARS before Lee Mok Sau left the Ancient Tomb). For someone who had only been active in wulin for around a decade when ROCH began, that's an amazing awareness of wulin lore (including the obscura) considering how ignorant wulin in general seemed about its own luminary figures.

[Banh Mi]

I find it weird that YG heard about H7G from XLN.

[Ken Cheng]

I find it weird that YG heard about H7G from XLN.

Did he? She should have been even more clueless than most other wulin people, considering she spent her entire life in her tomb and her teacher and grandteacher weren't exactly cosmopolitans either.

I wouldn't be surprised if Yeung Gor had heard of Hung 7 Gung from his mother (who had trained under the old beggar's tutelage, after all), or from local legends around Ga Hing Village.

[Banh Mi]

Did he? She should have been even more clueless than most other wulin people, considering she spent her entire life in her tomb and her teacher and grandteacher weren't exactly cosmopolitans either.

I wouldn't be surprised if Yeung Gor had heard of Hung 7 Gung from his mother (who had trained under the old beggar's tutelage, after all), or from local legends around Ga Hing Village.

Yang Guo thought, “So that old senior is Hong Qi Gong, no wonder his martial arts are so good.”

He has heard Hong Qi Gong’s name and his famous [Eighteen Subduing Dragon Palms] from Xiao Long Nuu before when they were talking, but Hong Qi Gong’s appearance and behaviour weren’t knowing to Lin Chao Ying let alone Xiao Long Nuu.

I just find it unusualy that LCY would talk about H7G to her maid. He was the beggar leader, but this was before they became the Greats. And LCY was notorious for not caring about the Wulin personalities.

[Ken Cheng]

I just find it unusualy that LCY would talk about H7G to her maid. He was the beggar leader, but this was before they became the Greats. And LCY was notorious for not caring about the Wulin personalities.

Yes...the timeline seems a bit screwy here. By the time North Beggar Hung 7 Gung began making a name for himself as one of wulin's Greats, Lam Chiu Ying had long withdrawn from wulin life and would soon be dead. I imagine that the last time Lam Chiu Ying and Wong Chung Yeung saw each other alive, neither one had met (or even heard of) Hung 7 Gung (who was likely not yet established and famous when Wong and Lam shared adventures in wulin).

[Banh Mi]

It's quite for H7G to be leader of the Beggar Clan and famous by that time. He wouldn't have consolidated his status as one of the 5 Greats, but he could still be famous just for his heroic deeds, high martial arts and status as clan leader. I find it implausible on LCY's side of the story. That she would know of him, care, be bothered to recount that to her maid.

[PJ]

I find it weird that YG heard about H7G from XLN.

Yeah, very strange. We can let our imagination run wild here. I could see a side story about LCY having special affection for little Hong Qi (not necessarily the romantic kind)...

Recap for Ken: http://www.spcnet.tv/forums/showthre...usions-in-ROCH

[Ken Cheng]

Yeah, very strange. We can let our imagination run wild here. I could see a side story about LCY having special affection for little Hong Qi (not necessarily the romantic kind)...

Recap for Ken: http://www.spcnet.tv/forums/showthre...usions-in-ROCH

Thanks.

Hung 7 really *would* have been a kid during the time that Lam Chiu Ying was in her prime. I don't think Hung could have been older than his twenties when Lam was wandering wulin with Wong Chung Yeung.

[Ken Cheng]

It seems to be an ongoing paradox in Jin Yong wuxia that the supposedly "out of touch," loner sects of wulin actually have great amounts of knowledge about mainstream wulin, while members of supposedly front-and-center wulin groups are surprisingly ignorant about wulin in general.