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    Default New Wuxia Fiction Forum Group Project: A Comprehensive CONDOR HEROES TRILOGY Timeline

    Once upon a long, long time ago, I wrote a brief, sketchy timeline of the CONDOR HEROES TRILOGY, which someone bothered to preserve here.

    I've been working on a much more developed, greatly expanded version of that timeline, but I need help from my fellow Wuxia Forum members. Not all of the dates are accurate/correct, and some are nebulous and poorly defined. I'd like to invite all of you to chip in on improving this timeline, adding/correcting what you feel is necessary for greater accuracy.

    The beginning of the timeline lies in the Tang Dynasty, when the ancestors of Gung Sheun Tze first arrived and settled at Passionless Valley (the first event that would have a direct and specific effect on the world of the CONDOR HEROES TRILOGY) and ends with the establishment of the Ming Dynasty in 1368, which essentially closed the books on the CONDOR HEROES TRILOGY era.

    Borrowing a convention from the compilers of STAR WARS timelines, I used the first meeting of Yau Chui Gei with Yeung Teet Sum and Gwok Siu Teen at Ox Village in Lin-an (e.g. the beginning of LOCH proper) as the central pin for the timeline (just as the STAR WARS compilers use the Battle of Yavin/Destruction of First Death Star as the pin for the STAR WARS timeline). Everything before the first encounter at Ox Village is designated as YBOV (Years Before Ox Village) and everything that occurs afterwards is designated as YAOV (Years After Ox Village).

    So check it out and make additions/modifications/comments as you please:


    500 YBOV

    - Gung Sheun Tze’s ancestors arrive at and settle in Passionless Valley during the Tang Dynasty.

    300 YBOV

    - Tang Dynasty falls; Khitan Liao Empire founded by Yeh Lut Abaoji (907).

    240 YBOV

    - Northern Sung Dynasty founded by Chiu Kwong Yin (960).

    200 YBOV

    - Yeung Family Corps legends (Yeung Yip and his seven sons, ostensibly distant ancestors of Yeung Gor).

    100 YBOV

    - Events of DEMIGODS & SEMIDEVILS; protagonist Deun Yu is grandfather of future South Emperor Deun Chi Hing; protagonists Siu Fung and Hui Juk refine the Beggar's Union's Hong Lung 28 Palms into the more efficient Hong Lung 18 Palms. Siu Fung befriends Yeun Nan Akuta, the future founder of the Jurchen Jin Empire.

    85 – 1 YBOV

    -the era of the CONDOR HEROES TRILOGY begins.

    - Jurchen Jin Empire founded by Yeun Nan Akuta (1115).

    - On the orders of the King of the Northern Sung, Wong Seung leads the Sung army in an attack against the Ming Cult at Gwong Ming Peak.

    - In the aftermath of that struggle, Wong Seung creates the 9 Yum Jen Ging.

    - Dook Goo Kau Bai wanders wulin, defeating all challengers. He creates the Sharp Sword, the Flexible Sword, the Heavy Iron Sword, and the Wooden Sword, with techniques appropriate for each of them.

    - Events of THE WATER MARGIN; Gwok Jing's ancestor, Gwok Sing, is one of its legendary heroes.

    - Fall of Khitan Liao Empire (1125); ancestors of Yeh Lut Chai driven to the Western Regions and Mongolia.

    - Jing Hong Incident; Fall of Northern Sung Dynasty (1127); Chinese mainland divided between Jurchen Jin Empire (north) and Southern Sung Dynasty.

    - Ngok Fei leads Southern Sung army against the Jin forces and experiences some success at retaking old Sung territory until he is set up on charges by Chun Kui and executed; the Sung/Jin War reaches a stalemate. Before his death, Ngok Fei writes down his military strategies in the Book of Mo Muk, which is entrusted to one of his loyal subordinates (possibly Union Chief Seung Gwoon) in the Iron Palm Union. Yeung Tsoi Hing, another Sung military leader and ancestor of Yeung Gor, is a friend and subordinate of Ngok Fei.

    - A young Wong Chung Yeung leads Southern Sung forces against the Jins to no avail; ashamed of his failure, Wong Chung Yeung builds the Ancient Tomb compound and hides in it in disgrace.

    - Lam Chiu Ying talks Wong Chung Yeung out of the Ancient Tomb compound. They wander wulin for a time, fighting the Jin forces, again to no avail.

    - Schism between Wong Chung Yeung and Lam Chiu Ying; "stone-writing" contest between them; he founds the Cheun Jen Sect and recruits his first seven disciples; she founds the Ancient Tomb Sect.

    - Wong Chung Yeung comes into possession of the 9 Yum Jen Ging.

    - Lam Chiu Ying dies; Wong Chung Yeung pays her final tribute in the Ancient Tomb, discovers her Jade Maiden Manual, and uses the 9 Yum Jen Ging to counter it.

    - Wong Yerk See reveals to Wong Chung Yeung the secret of how Lam Chiu Ying wrote on the stone with her finger.

    - The first generation of Greats emerges: East Heretic Wong Yerk See of Peach Blossom Island, West Poison Au Yeung Fung of White Camel Mountain, South Emperor Deun Chi Hing of Dali Kingdom, North Beggar Hung 7 Gung of the Beggar’s Union, and Central Divinity Wong Chung Yeung of the Cheun Jen Sect of Mt. Chung Nam.

    - Fireworker Monk Incident at Shaolin Temple greatly weakens Shaolin, which will not recover its prominence in wulin for many decades; beginning of the rule that Shaolin monks can learn martial arts only from their masters. As Shaolin's preeminence in wulin declines, the Cheun Jen Sect rapidly ascends to become a leading power in wulin.

    - Chief Seung Gwoon of the Iron Palm Union dies; Kau Cheen Yan becomes Iron Palm Union Chief.

    - First Mt. Hua Sword Tournament; Wong Chung Yeung retains possession of the 9 Yum Jen Ging.

    - Drinking contest between Wong Chung Yeung and a monk friend, which results in the monk creating the 9 Yeung Jen Ging after reading the 9 Yum Jen Ging.

    - Wong Chung Yeung visits Deun Chi Hing in Dali; the two exchange martial arts techniques; Ying Goo’s affair with Chow Bak Tung; the murder of Chow and Ying’s infant son by Kau Cheen Yan; King Deun Chi Hing abdicates the throne of Dali and becomes the Buddhist monk 1 Deng.

    - Wong Chung Yeung dies; Au Yeung Fung attempts to steal the 9 Yum Jen Ging, but fails.

    - A young Mongolian travels to Tibet for both spiritual and martial arts training; when he returns home many years later, he will bear the title of the Golden Wheel Monk.

    - Kuk Ling Fung is exiled from Peach Blossom Island by his teacher Wong Yerk See after the two have a falling out. Kuk settles in Ox Village, Lin-an, where he meets Gwok Siu Teen and Yeung Teet Sum. Kuk's daughter, Sor Goo, is born.

    - LOCH BEGINS.

    YEAR 0: OX VILLAGE INCIDENT (c. 1200) – Eternal Springs Taoist Yau Chui Gei of the Cheun Jen Sect befriends Southern Sung war heroes Gwok Siu Teen and Yeung Teet Sum, and names their unborn children Gwok Jing and Yeung Hong. Yeun Nan Hung Lit, the sixth prince of the Jin Empire, orders his forces to attack the Gwok/Yeung home compound at Ox Village to steal Yeung Teet Sum's wife, Pau Sik Yerk. The consequent melee results in the death of Gwok Siu Teen and the disappearance of Yeung Teet Sum. Gwok Siu Teen's wife, Lee Ping, is taken prisoner by Prince Yeun Nan's lackey, Deun Teen Dak, a corrupt minor Sung official. Yau Chui Gei and Ga Hing Village's local heroes, the Gong Nam 7 Freaks, rush to the rescue.

    - Gwok Jing and Yeung Hong born in Mongolia and the Jin Empire capital, respectively.

    - Yau Chui Gei and the Gong Nam 7 Freaks begin their search for the two boys.

    - Kuk Ling Fung dies in attempt to steal Sung Dynasty treasures for his teacher, Wong Yerk See. Kuk's daughter is left orphaned and mentally impaired by the shock and horror of his death.

    1 YAOV

    - Chow Bak Tung visits Peach Blossom Island; Fung Hang (Wong Yerk See’s wife) tricks him into letting her read the 9 Yum Jen Ging, whose text she memorizes.

    - Wong Yung born on Peach Blossom Island; Fung Hang dies.

    - Chow Bak Tung begins long exile on Peach Blossom Island.

    - Mui Chiu Fung and Chan Yeun Fung steal the 9 Yum Jen Ging from Wong Yerk See and flee Peach Blossom Island; as a result, an angry Wong Yerk See cripples his other students Mo Min Fung, Luk Sing Fung, and Fung Mak Fung and exiles them from Peach Blossom Island. Mui and Chan make enemies in Gong Nam, including their former martial brother Luk Sing Fung and his allies at Lake Tai, and are forced into hiding on the Mongolian steppes.

    4 YAOV

    - Yau Chui Gei locates Pau Sik Yerk and Yeung Hong; Yau begins training Yeung in the martial arts.

    6 YAOV

    - Gwok Jing meets and befriends Temujin (Genghis Khan). The ace archer Jebe becomes Gwok Jing’s first teacher. Gwok Jing becomes anda brothers with Tolui and befriends his younger sister, Hua Jeng. Genghis Khan begins unifying the various Mongol tribes into the foundation of the Mongol Empire.

    - The Gong Nam 7 Freaks find Gwok Jing in Mongolia and begin training him in the martial arts; Chan Yeun Fung and Cheung Ah Sang are killed; Mui Chiu Fung is blinded.

    13 – 19 YAOV

    - Tolui sires Mongke and Kublai*

    *Historically, Mongke was born in 1209 and Kublai, in 1213.

    16 YAOV

    - Wan Tze Ping visits Mongolia; Ma Yuk begins secretly training Gwok Jing in Cheun Jen Sect inner power techniques

    - Temujin pronounces Gwok Jing as the Golden Sabre Prince Consort of Mongolia.

    - Genghis Khan defeats his rivals (including former anda Jamukha and Senggum) and becomes sole ruler of Mongolia. Soon, he will begin his campaign of conquest against the Jurchen Jin Empire.

    - Little Dragon Girl born* and adopted by Ancient Tomb Sect.

    *Said to be four years older than Yeung Gor in ROCH.

    - Having fled the Mongolian steppes, Mui Chiu Fung attaches herself to the Jin royal household and befriends Yeung Hong, who provides her food and shelter. In return, Mui begins training Yeung Hong in the 9 Yum White Bone Claws.

    18 YAOV

    - Gwok Jing returns to Central Plains with Gong Nam 6 Freaks. Gwok Jing meets Wong Yung. Yeung Teet Sum reemerges, reunites with his wife, and dies with her. Yeung Hong meets Muk Lim Chi.

    - Gwok Jing learns the Hong Lung 18 Palms from North Beggar Hung 7 Gung.

    - Gwok Jing and Wong Yung meet Luk Sing Fung and his family at Returning Clouds Manor near Lake Tai.

    - Gwok Jing and Au Yeung Hak compete for Wong Yung’s hand in marriage at Peach Blossom Island; Gwok Jing meets Chow Bak Tung and the two become sworn brothers; Gwok Jing learns the Left/Right Hand Technique, Vacant Fist Technique, and the first part of the 9 Yum Jen Ging (text) from Chow; Chow Bak Tung's exile on Peach Blossom Island ends as he departs the island with Gwok Jing and North Beggar Hung 7 Gung.

    - West Poison Au Yeung Fung critically injures Hung 7 Gung.

    - Gwok Jing, Wong Yung, Hung 7 Gung, Au Yeung Fung, and Au Yeung Hak are trapped together on a remote island. Au Yeung Hak’s legs are crippled. Wong Yung becomes 19th Chief of the Beggar's Union and trains in Dog Beating Stick Technique. Gwok Jing and Wong Yung begin training in 9 Yum Jen Ging.

    - Yeung Hong marries Muk Lim Chi.

    - Gwok Jing critically injured at Sung palace by Au Yeung Fung and Yeung Hong; Au Yeung Hak is murdered by Yeung Hong.

    - Tam Chui Deun (Cheun Jen Sect) and Mui Chiu Fung killed at Ox Village.

    - Wong Yerk See adopts Sor Goo and begins teaching her martial arts.

    19 YAOV

    - Yeung Hong attempts (but fails) to usurp Beggar’s Union Chief position.

    - Wong Yung critically injured by Kau Cheen Yan; Gwok Jing gains possession of Ngok Fei’s Book of Mo Muk war tactics manual; death of Kau Cheen Cheung*; Gwok Jing and Wong Yung meet Ying Goo, South Emperor 1 Deng, and his disciples for the first time. 1 Deng translates the remaining portion of the 9 Yum Jen Ging from Sanskrit to Chinese for Gwok Jing.

    *Ostensibly, sometime before Kau Cheen Cheung’s death, Kau Cheen Chek departed Iron Palm Peak and met Gung Sheun Tze at Passionless Valley; in ROCH, Kau Cheen Chek was shown to be completely clueless about her second brother’s death and her eldest brother’s becoming a Buddhist monk until she was informed of these facts by her husband.

    - Au Yeung Fung and Yeung Hong murder Gong Nam 5 Freaks on Peach Blossom Island; showdown between Wong Yerk See and Cheun Jen 6 Disciples at Misty Rain Pavilion in Ga Hing; Yeung Hong dies; Muk Lim Chi discovers that she is pregnant with Yeung Hong's child.

    20 YAOV

    - Au Yeung Fung begins training in false, errant version of 9 Yum Jen Ging concocted by Wong Yung; eventually, fire deviations created by this errant training will cause Au Yeung Fung to suffer permanent mental impairment.

    - Jin Empire begins to sustain heavy losses in war against Mongols.

    - Gwok Jing commands Mongol forces against Jin Empire and Khwarezem Empire at Samarkand.

    - Defeat and execution of Jin prince Yeun Nan Hung Lit.

    - Historic meeting between Genghis Khan and the "Eternal Springs Taoist," Yau Chui Gei.

    - Death of Lee Ping (Gwok Jing’s mother); Gwok Jing and Mongols fall out and become enemies.

    - Second Mt. Hua Sword Tournament; Au Yeung Fung “wins” after narrowly defeating Wong Yerk See and Hung 7 Gung, but loses his sanity as the cost. Gwok Jing proves himself an up-and-coming Great. Kau Cheen Yan becomes 1 Deng’s disciple as Monk Chi Yan.

    - Muk Lim Chi gives birth to Yeung Hong's son, to whom Gwok Jing gives the poignant name of Yeung Gor.

    - Mongol invasion of Sung Kingdom begins with siege at Seung Yeung.

    - Death of Genghis Khan brings about temporary Mongol retreat; Ogodei becomes next Mongol khan. Gwok Jing and Wong Yung retreat to Peach Blossom Island.

    - LOCH ENDS.

    20 – 33 YAOV

    - Gwok Jing and Wong Yung formally married.

    - Gwok Jing masters the 9 Yum Jen Ging, and uses his knowledge to improve the Hong Lung 18 Palms; in time, Gwok Jing's martial arts reach Greats level.

    - Birth of Gwok Fu.

    - Wong Yerk See departs Peach Blossom Island.

    - Luk Tzin Yeun/Ho Yeun Gwun wedding incident; Lee Mok Sau begins wandering wulin and soon spreads her reign of terror.

    - Death of second Ancient Tomb Sect Leader.

    - Muk Lim Chi dies; Yeung Gor is left an orphan.

    - Gung Sheun Tze cripples his wife Kau Cheen Chek and abandons her at the bottom of Passionless Valley; their daughter Gung Sheun Luk Ngok is born.

    - Ogodei and Tolui die; Mongke (son of Tolui) becomes next Mongol khan.

    - The Golden Wheel Monk returns to Mongolia and is given the title of “Imperial Scholar of the Mongol Empire;” he takes in three disciples, including Dat Yee Ba and Fok Do (rumored to be a descendant of Jamukha). His eldest disciple is killed.

    33 YAOV

    - ROCH BEGINS.

    - Lee Mok Sau attacks Luk Lap Ding’s manor in Ga Hing Village, leaving Luk Mo Seung and Ching Ying homeless. Luk Mo Seung eventually becomes Lee Mok Sau's (reluctant) second disciple, while Ching Ying becomes the final formal disciple of East Heretic Wong Yerk See. The Mo Brothers, sons of South Emperor 1 Deng's disciple Mo 3 Tung, are also left motherless by Lee Mok Sau's assault and are subsequently adopted by Gwok Jing and Wong Yung as students.

    - Yeung Gor meets Gwok Jing and Wong Yung for the first time. They accept him as a student, and take him to Peach Blossom Island for training and cultivation. At the same time, Yeung Gor meets Au Yeung Fung, who adopts the boy as his son and begins teaching him the Ha Mo Gung technique.

    34 YAOV

    - Yeung Gor fails to get along with the Gwok Family and is sent to Chung Yeung Temple at Mt. Chung Nam, which is under attack by warriors led by Fok Do and Dat Yee Ba until the enemies are repelled by Gwok Jing.

    - Yeung Gor meets Little Dragon Girl and becomes her disciple.

    - Fall of Jin Empire at the hands of the Mongol Empire (1234).

    38 - 40 YAOV

    - Yeung Gor completes Ancient Tomb Sect training. Begins to wander wulin.

    - Yan Tze Bing (formerly Wan Tze Ping) rapes Little Dragon Girl.

    - Yeung Gor reunites with Au Yeung Fung on Mt. Hua and meets North Beggar Hung 7 Gung. Yeung Gor learns some of their martial arts techniques. Hung 7 Gung and Au Yeung Fung die together at Mt. Hua.

    - Lo Yau Gerk becomes 20th Chief of the Beggar's Union.

    - Heroes Conference at Luk Family Manor in Dai Sing Kwan. The Golden Wheel Monk appears among Chinese wulin for the first time. Gwok Jing is elected wulin director and accepts the role of leader in the defense of Seung Yeung Fortress from the Mongols.

    - Yeung Gor meets East Heretic Wong Yerk See and learns Peach Blossom Island martial arts techniques.

    - Yeung Gor and Little Dragon Girl first visit Passionless Valley. Yeung Gor exposed to Passion Flower Poison.

    - Desperate defense of Seung Yeung Fortress as Mongols press assault after Gwok Jing is injured by Golden Wheel Monk and other Mongol warriors. Fung Mak Fung, the last of Wong Yerk See's original generation of students, sacrifices himself to save Gwok Jing and Yeung Gor from the Mongol warriors. Gwok Seung and Gwok Por Lo born. Mo Brothers duel for Gwok Fu's hand in marriage.

    - Gwok Fu severs Yeung Gor’s arm; he meets the Divine Condor, who brings him to Dook Goo Kau Bai’s Tomb of Swords. Yeung Gor trains in Heavy Iron Sword Technique with said weapon.

    - Little Dragon Girl critically wounded by Cheun Jen 5 Disciples and Golden Wheel Monk (wound later compounded by errant Ice Soul Needle thrown by Gwok Fu); Yan Tze Bing (e.g. Wan Tze Ping) and Chiu Tze Ging die.

    - Chung Yeung Temple decimated by Mongol attack. Final fate of surviving Cheun Jen 5 Disciples unknown. Lee Tze Seung becomes the next Cheun Jen Sect Leader. Cheun Jen Sect will survive as a school of Taoist religion and philosophy, but its time as a significant force in wulin is over.

    - Lee Mok Sau, Gung Sheun Tze, and Kau Cheen Chek die.

    - Little Dragon Girl begins her sixteen-year “exile” at the bottom of Passionless Valley.

    40 – 56 YAOV

    - Yeung Gor performs heroic deeds as the Divine Condor Hero. He creates the Sad Palms technique.

    - Gwok Jing and his allies continue their defense of Seung Yeung Fortress against the Mongols.

    - Yeh Lut Chai marries Gwok Fu.

    - Mo Brothers marry Yeh Lut Yin and Yeun Nan Ping.

    43 YAOV

    - Cheung Gwun Bo (future Mo Dong Sect founder Cheung 3 Fung) born.

    56 YAOV

    - Gwok Seung meets the “Divine Condor Hero” (Yeung Gor).

    - Chow Bak Tung and Ying Goo reconciled; Kau Cheen Yan (Chi Yan) dies.

    - Beggar's Union Chief Lo Yau Gerk assassinated by Fok Do.

    - Gwok Seung’s 16th birthday. She receives many gifts, including a pair of fighting Buddha statuettes from the Shaolin monk Mo Sik. Fok Do dies. Yeh Lut Chai becomes 21st Chief of the Beggar's Union.

    - Yeung Gor and Little Dragon Girl are reunited.

    - Mongols fail siege of Seung Yeung Fortress. Mongke Khan dies and is succeeded by his brother Kublai. The Golden Wheel Monk dies.

    - Wan Hak Sai and Siu Seung Tze steal the 9 Yeung Jen Ging from Shaolin Temple. They are pursued by Shaolin monk Gok Yeun and his student, Cheung Gwun Bo.

    - New Five Greats are christened at Mt. Hua. Yeung Gor teaches Cheung Gwun Bo skills that the boy uses to critically wound Wan Hak Sai and Siu Seung Tze.

    - Wan Hak Sai places the 9 Yeung Jen Ging under the skin of a mountain gorilla. Before dying, Wan tells Kunlun 3 Saints Ho Juk Do that “the book is in the oil” (actually, “the book is in the gorilla.”).

    - Yeung Gor and Little Dragon Girl disappear from wulin forever. At some point, Yeung Gor gives the Heavy Iron Sword to his uncle, Gwok Jing.

    - ROCH ENDS.

    - The Sacred Flame Tablets of the Chinese Ming Cult are stolen by the Persian Ming Cult*.

    *In HSDS, the Ming Cult members state that their Sacred Flame Tablets went missing one-hundred years ago.

    59 YAOV

    - Gwok Seung’s search for Yeung Gor takes her to Shaolin Temple, where she is reunited with monks Mo Sik, Gok Yeun, and Cheung Gwun Bo. Ho Juk Do visits Shaolin the same day and is humiliated by Cheung Gwun Bo and Gok Yeun. Ho tells the senior Shaolin monks that “the book is in the oil.” Gok Yeun dies (but not before reciting the complete text of the 9 Yeung Jen Ging, portions of which are memorized by Mo Sik, Gwok Seung, and Cheung Gwun Bo).

    - Cheung Gwun Bo leaves Shaolin to pursue spiritual and martial arts cultivation at Mt. Mo Dong. Eventually, he will change his name to Cheung 3 Fung.

    59 – 69 YAOV

    - At some point during this decade, Gwok Jing and Wong Yung melt the Heavy Iron Sword, the Gentleman Sword, and the Lady Sword and reforge them as the Heaven Sword and the Dragon Sabre. Loaded into the Heaven Sword are the 9 Yum Jen Ging and Hong Lung 18 Palms manuals; in the Dragon Sabre is Ngok Fei’s Book of Mo Muk war tactics manual.

    - Likely, elder Greats Wong Yerk See, 1 Deng, and Chow Bak Tung died during this decade.

    69 YAOV

    - Seung Yeung Fortress falls to Mongols; Gwok Jing and Wong Yung die. Somehow, however, they are able to ensure that their daughter Gwok Seung receives the Heaven Sword. The Dragon Sabre is entrusted to their son Por Lo, but after his death, the sabre comes into the possession of many different parties over the next several decades.

    79 YAOV

    - Southern Sung Dynasty falls; Mongol conquest of China is complete; Yuan Dynasty established by Kublai Khan (1279).

    79 – 133 YAOV

    - Having finally recovered from the Fireworker Monk Incident, Shaolin again rises as a great wulin power.

    - Gwok Seung founds the Ngor Mei Sect.

    - Gwok Seung dies, passing on Ngor Mei Sect leadership (and Heaven Sword) to Fung Ling See Tai.

    - Cheung 3 Fung founds the Mo Dong Sect, recruiting seven young disciples as his founding students.

    - Descendants (Lady Yeung) of Yeung Gor born.

    - Descendants of the Chu and Mo Families (1 Deng’s disciples) born.

    - Fung Ling See Tai dies, passing Ngor Mei Sect leadership (and Heaven Sword) to Mit Jeut See Tai.

    - Yeung Ding Teen becomes 33rd Leader of the Ming Cult.

    - Yeung Ding Teen battles three Dao-generation elder monks at Shaolin, and blinds one of them.

    - Dor Yee See (Purple-Robed Dragon King and later Granny Golden Flower) arrives from Persia and becomes the adopted daughter of Yeung Ding Teen.

    - Dor Yee See meets and marries Mr. Silver Leaf. Soon afterwards, she leaves the Ming Cult.

    - Yeung Ding Teen dies; Sing Kwun swears revenge against the Ming Cult.

    - Ming Cult begins to splinter without leader. Sing Kwun murders Tse Tsun’s family. Tse Tsun’s campaign of vengeance against his former teacher begins.

    - Yan Teen Jing founds Heavenly Eagle Sect.

    - Fan Yiu destroys his own visage to take on the identity of Monk Fu and spy on the Mongol leaders.

    - Shaolin monk Hung Geen accidentally killed by Tse Tsun.

    133 YAOV

    - HSDS BEGINS.

    - Cheung 3 Fung’s 90th birthday. Yu Doi Nam crippled. Cheung Chui San meets Yan So So. The two are taken to Ice Fire Island by Tse Tsun. Tse Tsun gains possession of the Dragon Sabre, initiating a massive manhunt for him among wulin.

    - Cheung Chui San and Yan So So marry; their son Cheung Mo Gei is born on Ice Fire Island.

    133 – 143 YAOV

    - Yeung Siu rapes Gei Hiu Fu; Yeung But Fui is born.

    - Sung Ching Sheu born.

    - Yan Lei murders her stepmother; she is adopted by Granny Golden Flower.

    - Beggar’s Union Chief Shih For Lung critically injured in failed attempt to learn Hong Lung 18 Palms.

    143 YAOV

    - Cheung Chui San and Yan So So return to Central Plains with their son, Cheung Mo Gei.

    - Cheung 3 Fung’s 100th birthday; Cheung Chui San and Yan So So commit suicide; Cheung Mo Gei injured by Yeun Ming Divine Palms.

    - Cheung Mo Gei meets Chow Chi Yerk. Chow Chi Yerk becomes a student of Mit Jeut See Tai at Ngor Mei Sect.

    - Cheung Mo Gei begins healing his Yeun Ming Divine Palm injury under the care of Dr. Wu Ching Ngau.

    148 YAOV

    - Gei Hiu Fu and Dr. Wu die.

    - Cheung Mo Gei takes Yeung But Fui to her father Yeung Siu.

    - Cheung Mo Gei encounters the Chu and Mo families and is almost deceived by them into revealing Tse Tsun’s whereabouts.

    - Cheung Mo Gei finds the 9 Yeung Jen Ging text inside the mountain gorilla and begins training.

    153 - 158 YAOV

    - Cheung Mo Gei completes 9 Yeung Jen Ging training.

    - Six Orthodox Sects assault Ming Cult headquarters at Gwong Ming Peak, but are repelled by Cheung Mo Gei, who has also mastered the Ming Cult’s Keen Kwun Dai Loi Yee. Cheung Mo Gei meets Siu Chiu.

    - Cheung Mo Gei becomes 34th Ming Cult Leader; the Heavenly Eagle Sect folds back into the Ming Cult, with Yan Teen Jing resuming his former position as White Browed Eagle, the Guardian Lord, in the reunified Ming Cult.

    - Members of Six Orthodox Sects abducted and imprisoned by Yuan Dynasty under command of Chaghan Temur and his two children, Koke Temur (Wong Bo Bo) and Minmin Temur (Chiu Mun).

    - Cheung Mo Gei meets Chiu Mun.

    - Cheung Mo Gei spends several months (4-6) at Mt. Mo Dong, learning Tai Chi Sword and Tai Chi Fist from his grandteacher, Cheung 3 Fung. Cheung Mo Gei also heals his uncle Yu Doi Nam’s crippling injuries. Yan Lei Ting and Yeung But Fui marry.

    - Fan Yiu reveals his true identity to Cheung Mo Gei and his old Ming Cult brothers.

    - Ming Cult frees the Six Orthodox Sect members from Mongol imprisonment in Dadu; Ming Cult and orthodox sects become friends and allies. Mit Jeut See Tai dies after revealing the secrets of the Heaven Sword and Dragon Sabre to her student, Chow Chi Yerk.

    - Chow Chi Yerk becomes the fourth leader of the Ngor Mei Sect.

    - Sung Ching Sheu murders his seventh martial uncle Mok Sing Guk.

    - Tse Tsun returns to Central Plains; Granny Golden Flower’s cover is blown; the Persian Ming Cult sends emissaries to subjugate Chinese Ming Cult, but are repelled by Cheung Mo Gei. Chinese Ming Cult regains possession of Sacred Flame Tablets.

    - Siu Chiu becomes leader of Persian Ming Cult and returns to Persia with her mother, Dor Yee See.

    - Chow Chi Yerk murders Yan Lei and frames Chiu Mun; Chow also steals the Heaven Sword and Dragon Sabre and secretly begins training in the 9 Yum Jen Ging.

    - Cheung Mo Gei, Chow Chi Yerk, and Tse Tsun spend many months on remote island.

    - Beggar’s Union Chief Shih For Lung betrayed and murdered by Chan Yau Leung and Sing Kwun.

    - Cheung Mo Gei, Chow Chi Yerk, and Tse Tsun return to Central Plains.

    - Tse Tsun abducted and taken to Shaolin by Sing Kwun.

    - Cheung Mo Gei encounters Lady Yeung when she helps him thwart Chan Yau Leung’s attempt to take over the Beggar’s Union.

    - Cheung and Chow plan to marry, but the wedding is crashed by Chiu Mun.

    - “Lion-Taming” Convention at Shaolin: Yan Teen Jing dies; Sung Ching Sheu mortally wounded; Chow Chi Yerk's plot exposed by Lady Yeung; Sing Kwun defeated; Tse Tsun becomes a Shaolin monk.

    - Mongols assault assembled wulin at Shaolin Temple; the wulin warriors defeat the Mongol army, signifying a turning point in the struggle to overthrow the Yuan Dynasty.

    - Cheung 3 Fung promotes Yu Lin Chou to head disciple of Mo Dong Sect, replacing his disgraced elder martial brother Sung Yeun Kiu.

    - Cheung Mo Gei resigns as Ming Cult Leader and retires from wulin. Yeung Siu succeeds him as the 35th Ming Cult Leader, but is soon overthrown by Chu Yeun Cheung.

    - HSDS ENDS.

    c. 158 - 168 YAOV (AFTERMATH)

    - Chu Yeun Cheung carries out massive purge of Ming Cult, effectively eradicating the cult.

    - Chu Yeun Cheung eliminates rivals such as Chan Yau Leung.

    - Mongols expelled from Central Plains; Yuan Dynasty falls; Chu Yeun Cheung founds the Ming Dynasty (1368).

    - The era of the CONDOR HEROES TRILOGY ends.

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    The timeline inconsistency with Qu Lingfeng was corrected in the 3rd edition, which has Qu Lingfeng kicked out of Peach Blossom Island much earlier than the others, before Chen and Mei stole the 9 Yin manual. I can't remember the details - something about him and his teacher and Mei Chaofeng. Either he criticised his teacher for liking MCF, or he himself liked her or something - someone else will be able to give details.

    His crippling and ejection would have to be moved to YBOV, eliminating the inconsistency about Huang Rong's age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Liew View Post
    The timeline inconsistency with Qu Lingfeng was corrected in the 3rd edition, which has Qu Lingfeng kicked out of Peach Blossom Island much earlier than the others, before Chen and Mei stole the 9 Yin manual. I can't remember the details - something about him and his teacher and Mei Chaofeng. Either he criticised his teacher for liking MCF, or he himself liked her or something - someone else will be able to give details.

    His crippling and ejection would have to be moved to YBOV, eliminating the inconsistency about Huang Rong's age.
    Thanks, Ian. That clears up that detail.

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    What a thrill to read! One question, can Smiling Proud Wanderer continue this timeline in some way?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuet Thi View Post
    What a thrill to read! One question, can Smiling Proud Wanderer continue this timeline in some way?
    It might be part of an all-inclusive Jin Yong timeline, though SPW runs ahead of the domino reaction of events that was the CONDOR HEROES TRILOGY.

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    Specifically, Qu Lingfeng was kicked out of Peach Blossom Island AFTER he kicked Chen Xuanfeng's *** for getting it on with Mei Chaofeng, as he knew that Huang Yaoshi himself was in love with Mei Chaofeng, who had previously vowed to always be by Huang Yaoshi's side. When Huang Yaoshi heard about this, he was highly embarassed and furious, which is why he expelled Qu Lingfeng.

    Years later, after marrying Huang Rong's mother, Huang Yaoshi got drunk and mumbled something along the lines of, "Who can claim that Huang Yaoshi is in love with his own student? What nonsense! Where is Lingfeng? I forgive him, call him back!"

    When Mei and Chen heard this, they were afraid that once Qu Lingfeng came back, he would take vengeance on them for getting his legs broken and getting expelled, plus they were still worried over Huang Yaoshi continuing to have feelings for Mei Chaofeng, which is why they eloped, stealing the 9YZJ so they would be 'strong enough to fight off pursuers'. Huang Yaoshi, upon discovering their betrayal, rescinded his order to bring back Qu Lingfeng and instead expelled everyone else as well.
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    Interesting work, Ken. Can add in "XZ goes to Persia"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wkeej View Post
    Interesting work, Ken. Can add in "XZ goes to Persia"?
    That's already an item for 151 YAOV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    That's already an item for 151 YAOV.
    Shouldn't XZ's case be in 152? I may be wrong as I am having a big headache now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wkeej View Post
    Shouldn't XZ's case be in 152? I may be wrong as I am having a big headache now.
    At least a year passes between the point that Siu Chiu leaves China (and the story) and the end of HSDS, because after her departure, Cheung Mo Gei, Chow Chi Yerk, and Tse Tsun spend almost a full year marooned on that island where Chow Chi Yerk murdered Yan Lei, and several more months pass after their return to the Central Plains.

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    Shouldn't the Greats emerge before WCY uses 9YZJ to counter LCY? Also, no reference for 1st Hua Shan tournament?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt View Post
    Shouldn't the Greats emerge before WCY uses 9YZJ to counter LCY? Also, no reference for 1st Hua Shan tournament?
    It's hard to say. Some of the events from the YBOV could possibly be switched around.

    First Mt. Hua Sword Tournament is covered between death of Chief Seung Gwoon of the Iron Palm Union and the drinking contest Wong Chung Yeung had with the monk who would create the 9 Yeung Jen Ging.

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    I was under the impression that Wang Chongyang received 9 Yin after the Huashan tournament, and whoever possessed it before is just some unexplained thing like how Feng Qingyang learned Dugu 9 Swords.

    I mean it doesn't make too much sense otherwise. If he had it in secret, he could just secretly bury it like he intended to in the future. If everyone knew he had it, being the world's best doesn't really stop people from scheming or allying up to get it. If Huashan didn't exist and Ouyang Feng tries to steal it from him, he would be defeated and deterred as he would have been in Huashan. He'd have to prove his superiority at least once either way.

    Perhaps it was some non-wulin fella who stumbled upon the 9 Yin and offered it as a prize since he had no interest in it. Doesn't make sense for any wulin member to offer it up as a prize. The whole thing is kind of silly anyway -- let's give the richest guy on the planet even more money!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tape View Post
    I was under the impression that Wang Chongyang received 9 Yin after the Huashan tournament, and whoever possessed it before is just some unexplained thing like how Feng Qingyang learned Dugu 9 Swords.

    I mean it doesn't make too much sense otherwise. If he had it in secret, he could just secretly bury it like he intended to in the future. If everyone knew he had it, being the world's best doesn't really stop people from scheming or allying up to get it. If Huashan didn't exist and Ouyang Feng tries to steal it from him, he would be defeated and deterred as he would have been in Huashan. He'd have to prove his superiority at least once either way.

    Perhaps it was some non-wulin fella who stumbled upon the 9 Yin and offered it as a prize since he had no interest in it. Doesn't make sense for any wulin member to offer it up as a prize. The whole thing is kind of silly anyway -- let's give the richest guy on the planet even more money!
    As I recall it, the reason that Central Divinity Wong Chung Yeung convened the Mt. Hua Sword Tournament in the first place was to determine what should be done about the 9 Yum Jen Ging. He already had possession of it, but he knew that it didn't really *belong* to him. He wanted to settle the matter of its ownership in a way that would be in accordance with wulin rules.

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    Don't think much detail of the Huashan tournament (why it happened, what exactly happened, etc) is actually given in the book. It's just a legendary event that happened, and directly affected our main characters.

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    Interesting idea Ken. But I have an objection. Using specific timeline does not jell well with me. I'd rather use the Georgian Calender since we are more costumed to it and we don't have to do double calculation. It seems every time we try to do some adjustments, we have to do additional calculation. Using Georgian Calender seems less hassle and easy. Just my 2 cents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by odbayarb2000 View Post
    Interesting idea Ken. But I have an objection. Using specific timeline does not jell well with me. I'd rather use the Georgian Calender since we are more costumed to it and we don't have to do double calculation. It seems every time we try to do some adjustments, we have to do additional calculation. Using Georgian Calender seems less hassle and easy. Just my 2 cents.
    Using the Georgian calendar would be difficult for this because Jin Yong fudged the dates for historical events. The CONDOR HEROES TRILOGY was built around real events in Chinese history between the 12th Century and the 14th Century, but while Jin Yong followed the general flow of history, he *seriously* fudged many of the dates. Therefore, it seemed better to work with the sagas' internal timelines rather than a real world calendar.

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    What is the weapon use by Lee Mok Sau? what is it called?

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    Quote Originally Posted by norhisham View Post
    What is the weapon use by Lee Mok Sau? what is it called?
    It's a Taoist whisk.

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