Dugu Jiu Jian Really Unbeatable?

[Malevolent]

Just curious, is Dugu Jiu Jian in Jin Yong's world really unbeatable?

Huang Yaoshi's jade flute sword, Hong Qigong's Dog Beating Stick, Li Mochou's flying whisk, and Ancient Tomb's Yunu Jian should be able to defeat it?

[Dongfang Xue]

Unfortunately during SPW era there wasn't any highly skilled masters such as HYS, HQG, or even XLN. So dugu nine swords was unbeatable during SPW's era.

[MrWErD]

Dugu Quibai could probably defeat all of the people you've mention at once, and then some. If the man himself claims that his skill is unbeatable, you better believe him!

My verdict: Unless the practicer is lacking, it was unbeatable, but nowadays, you just a need a trusty firearm and a bullet.

[ToastedRossi]

It's not unbeatable; it's an extremely strong skill as long as the practitioner already has a good foundation in other techniques. In the novel, Linghu Zhong could have lost any number of times, particularly against Yue Buqun and Chongxu, the head of Wudang.

[Ken Cheng]

Dugu Quibai could probably defeat all of the people you've mention at once, and then some. If the man himself claims that his skill is unbeatable, you better believe him!

I don't.

Dook Goo Kau Bai is called the Sword Demon, but I don't take his demonic title literally. He was human, and because he was human, he COULD be beaten. He never met the martial artist who could defeat him, but that doesn't mean such a martial artist never lived.

[tape]

I don't.

Dook Goo Kau Bai is called the Sword Demon, but I don't take his demonic title literally. He was human, and because he was human, he COULD be beaten. He never met the martial artist who could defeat him, but that doesn't mean such a martial artist never lived.

Not that I disagree with you that dugu is unbeatable (goes to sweeper IMO) but you're just using idioms for arguments. There will eventually exist the best fighter ever, one mountain will eventually grow tallest etc

[Trien Chieu]

Dugu Quibai could probably defeat all of the people you've mention at once, and then some. If the man himself claims that his skill is unbeatable, you better believe him!

I agree. Tuk Ko Kau Pai beat all the best fighters during his era so no doubt he can beat all the greats and Kwok Jing, Yeung Gor, Cheung Mo Gei, ect.

It's not unbeatable; it's an extremely strong skill as long as the practitioner already has a good foundation in other techniques. In the novel, Linghu Zhong could have lost any number of times, particularly against Yue Buqun and Chongxu, the head of Wudang.

Yes, the user is very important. DFBB, YBQ and LPZ learn the same martial art Sunflower/BixieSwordPlay but you can see the huge difference between them. DFBB is considered the best fighter of his era. DFBB could beat anyone in a 1-to-1 fair fight, but LPZ is no where close to that. Can we say Bixie Sword Play is weak because LPZ is not that great?

[Dirt]

Wang Chongyang was also undefeated in his lifetime. There is no indication that Dugu Qiubai could defeat Wang Chongyang. Or vice versa.

[Mandred Skavenslayer]

In theory yes. In practice too many variables

[Ken Cheng]

Wang Chongyang was also undefeated in his lifetime. There is no indication that Dugu Qiubai could defeat Wang Chongyang. Or vice versa.

In theory yes. In practice too many variables

It makes for a much more intriguing wuxia world when there's no such thing as a SURE thing. There are probabilities, sure, but not sure things.

[Dongfang Xue]

In theory yes. In practice too many variables

Hope you had a great Christmas Mandred! if it was DFBB using the dugu nine swords it would be undefeatable for sure...hoping to see that part in your fan fiction

[Eastern Heretic]

Dugu Jiu Jian unbeatable could be just a myth.

Reason:
No stances or moves were left behind when YG found the sword tomb. All the stances were probably created by YG and XLN after they retired and imparted to their descendant which was eventually imparted to FQY

[Trien Chieu]

Wang Chongyang was also undefeated in his lifetime. There is no indication that Dugu Qiubai could defeat Wang Chongyang. Or vice versa.

As a man, WCY was a sore loser. He had plenty of chances to be with his love LCY but blew them all. Dugu Qiubai was much better than that..

[Silverhawk]

Dugu Jiu Jian unbeatable could be just a myth.

Reason:
No stances or moves were left behind when YG found the sword tomb. All the stances were probably created by YG and XLN after they retired and imparted to their descendant which was eventually imparted to FQY

What you say makes sense. The nine stances were never mentioned during ROCH. It was probably YG and XLN who created it and named it Dugu 9 Swords in memory of DGQB, don't forget DGQB's condor saved YG's life and helped him improve his skills.

[Mandred Skavenslayer]

As a man, WCY was a sore loser. He had plenty of chances to be with his love LCY but blew them all. Dugu Qiubai was much better than that..

Sorry did a miss something? I don't remember JY ever writing anything about the Sword Devil's personality or love life. Just wondering what you a basing this comment on.

[Trien Chieu]

Sorry did a miss something? I don't remember JY ever writing anything about the Sword Devil's personality or love life. Just wondering what you a basing this comment on.

Regarding the Sword Devil's personality, his background, his martial art and his love life, you need to watch the series Kim Mo Tuk Ko Kau Pai by TVB. Dugu Jiu Jian was so awesome in this serial.
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[Eastern Heretic]

Regarding the Sword Devil's personality, his background, his martial art and his love life, you need to watch the series Kim Mo Tuk Ko Kau Pai by TVB. Dugu Jiu Jian was so awesome in this serial.
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That series u posted isnt a Jin Yong novel by the way. Like Mandred mention JY has never once wrote anything about the Sword Devil's personality or love life.

[Mandred Skavenslayer]

Regarding the Sword Devil's personality, his background, his martial art and his love life, you need to watch the series Kim Mo Tuk Ko Kau Pai by TVB. Dugu Jiu Jian was so awesome in this serial.
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I have seen this and found it an entertaining if generic series.

As for the Sword Devil's character it was basically GJ with a sword.

If you are going to use this as evidence then you might as well use 'Ashes of time' to show the Sword Devil as a lovesick woman sufffering from Split-personality disorder.

[Li Mochou]

Dugu Nine Swords is just an overrated sword skills. Based on the Condor Heroes Trilogy I agree with Eastern Heretic that what LHC learned and used in SPW should be called Divine Condor Heroes swordplay

[xiaop]

I agree. Tuk Ko Kau Pai beat all the best fighters during his era so no doubt he can beat all the greats and Kwok Jing, Yeung Gor, Cheung Mo Gei, ect.



Yes, the user is very important. DFBB, YBQ and LPZ learn the same martial art Sunflower/BixieSwordPlay but you can see the huge difference between them. DFBB is considered the best fighter of his era. DFBB could beat anyone in a 1-to-1 fair fight, but LPZ is no where close to that. Can we say Bixie Sword Play is weak because LPZ is not that great?

I think whatever skill / kungfu it is, what determines the stronger fighter is how much practice the user has had with it.

Naturally DFBB was among the strongest because he had practised the KHBD for a full 12 years while YBQ and LPZ only practised Bixie for a relatively short period, as the same for LHC, who practised DGJJ for only a short time.

For such a brief practise period for LHC and LPZ, and for them both to rise among the elite fighters, already goes to show how great the skills they are learning.

Remember FQY did mentioned, LHC needed to practise a full 5 year period before he was able to grasp all the techniques of DGJJ fully.

However, I don't think DFBB can be considered the strongest of his era yet, not before he and Feng Qing Yang had a duel with each other. Only after a match between the two, then one undisputed strongest pugilist will emerge.