Did LHC teach future Huashan leader his powerful martial arts?

[Trien Chieu]

I wonder whether he did it. After YBQ got killed, the next leader is pretty weak but by the time of SSWRB, the leader of Huashan is among the most powerful martial artist in wulin. I think LHC must have done something for Huashan after the battle with RWX. After all, he grew up from there and had no hatred toward the fellow students of Huashan.

Any thought??

[david85]

I wonder whether he did it. After YBQ got killed, the next leader is pretty weak but by the time of SSWRB, the leader of Huashan is among the most powerful martial artist in wulin. I think LHC must have done something for Huashan after the battle with RWX. After all, he grew up from there and had no hatred toward the fellow students of Huashan.

Any thought??

He did not teach dugu 9 swords however he taught the lost arts was found in the cave that belonged to hwa shan.

[Trien Chieu]

He did not teach dugu 9 swords however he taught the lost arts was found in the cave that belonged to hwa shan.

If this is the case, then he is pretty selfish. He was about to retire from jianghu, why did he want to keep all the great martial arts to himself for no use? Why can't he teach them all to Huashan students? After all, he grew up from there so he should consider Huashan as his family. Yeah, YBQ treated him badly but the rest of the people from Huashan are pretty nice to him. I guess Huashan wasn't that important to him after all.

[tape]

Same reason you don't give a dollar a day to all those needy people in third world countries.

[Trien Chieu]

Same reason you don't give a dollar a day to all those needy people in third world countries.

?????? What the heck??????

[david85]

If this is the case, then he is pretty selfish. He was about to retire from jianghu, why did he want to keep all the great martial arts to himself for no use? Why can't he teach them all to Huashan students? After all, he grew up from there so he should consider Huashan as his family. Yeah, YBQ treated him badly but the rest of the people from Huashan are pretty nice to him. I guess Huashan wasn't that important to him after all.

Du gu 9 swords requires high intelligence , not many people can learn. But you are right , chinese are selfish lots. Goods things they won't share with the rest. Something like a master of certain skills ( eg. culinary , martial arts, tailoring, ) won't impart all of his skills to his disciple , worrying that they may outshine himself if he does so.

[Trien Chieu]

Du gu 9 swords requires high intelligence , not many people can learn. But you are right , chinese are selfish lots. Goods things they won't share with the rest. Something like a master of certain skills ( eg. culinary , martial arts, tailoring, ) won't impart all of his skills to his disciple , worrying that they may outshine himself if he does so.

Yes, Dugu 9 Swords requires high intelligence but if he left them the art, the future generation might have the intelligence to learn it. Yuan Chengzhi would have the intelligence to master it. Doesn't he know Yit Jinjing too? Why can't he leave that for the Huashan as well so the next generation can use it.

Keeping all the great things to themselves is the backward approach. It keeps society from advancing. They have the mentality of keeping all the great things for their descendants but the problem is their descendants might not have the interest or intelligence to learn it. Consequently, lot of great things became extinct. If you look at Chinese medicine, they are not that much better today than 2000 years ago. Why is it? If they spread their knowledges to the rest, China would be much much more advanced than where they are today.

[MrWErD]

Yes, Dugu 9 Swords requires high intelligence but if he left them the art, the future generation might have the intelligence to learn it. Yuan Chengzhi would have the intelligence to master it. Doesn't he know Yit Jinjing too? Why can't he leave that for the Huashan as well so the next generation can use it.

Keeping all the great things to themselves is the backward approach. It keeps society from advancing. They have the mentality of keeping all the great things for their descendants but the problem is their descendants might not have the interest or intelligence to learn it. Consequently, lost of great things became extinct. If you look at Chinese medicine, they are not that much better today than 2000 years ago. Why is it? If they spread their knowledges to the rest, China would be much much more advanced than where they are today.

That's just human nature, yes? It has its ups and down, but more up than downs, I'd say. Plus, who's to say that Linghu Chong didn't have children and taught them DG9S or founded his own school? All we know is that he probably didn't teach it to Huashan. Hu Yizhi, anyone?

As for Chinese medicine, excuse me? Are you crazy? Traditional Chinese medicine is much more advance today than 2000 years ago! Or do you still think that the consumption of liquid mercury will turn you immortal? Or that virgin urine will somehow be beneficial to your health? Just because they used herbs then and we still use herbs today does not mean that we have not moved forward. It's like saying that a sword and a jet fighter are both made of metal, so we obviously haven't moved forward from the medievals.

And while a lot of information were lost due to human greed, a lot more were discovered and shared and spread between nations. Silk, paper, Chinese architecture, books, and even Chinese noodles, which became pasta in Europe. Most important of all is gunpowder, which led to the creation of muskets and rise of the European nations. Even stuff that people wanted to keep secret forever will be revealed eventually if that knowledge is important enough.

In fact, China was actually the most dominant and advance civilization in the world until the last couple centuries. You can blame the Qing Dynasty for our fall from grace, not Chinese culture as a whole.

[Ian Liew]

Was Dugu 9Jian actually considered a Huashan Art? Perhaps it wouldn't be appropriate to incorporate it into Huashan when it had its own sword arts (Yue Buqun's "Life-stealing Three Linked Fairies Sword" wasn't brilliant, but Feng Buping's "Hurricane Fast Sword" was top class). He could probably do what Feng Qingyang did and identify a worthy successor somewhere down the line, but I don't think Dugu Jiujian should have been passed on to everyone in Huashan. If he did that, he'd have to pass it on to everyone in Northern Hengshan because he was also head of Northern Hengshan. Out of compassion (and possibly out of respect for the late Mo Da - if he really died) he could even pass it on to Southern Hengshan, which were a very decent bunch of people who were decimated by the events in the novel.

At the end Huashan had its own arts it could rely on (and had built the sect upon all those years). Neither Bixie nor Dugu Jiujian belonged to it even if their two best fighters used those skills as their staple.

[Trien Chieu]

That's just human nature, yes? It has its ups and down, but more up than downs, I'd say. Plus, who's to say that Linghu Chong didn't have children and taught them DG9S or founded his own school? All we know is that he probably didn't teach it to Huashan. Hu Yizhi, anyone?

He did not found his own school. He was about to retire from jianghu for good. Even if he plan to open his own school, he still could teach Dugu 9 Sword to Huashan.

As for Chinese medicine, excuse me? Are you crazy? Traditional Chinese medicine is much more advance today than 2000 years ago! Or do you still think that the consumption of liquid mercury will turn you immortal? Or that virgin urine will somehow be beneficial to your health? Just because they used herbs then and we still use herbs today does not mean that we have not moved forward. It's like saying that a sword and a jet fighter are both made of metal, so we obviously haven't moved forward from the medievals.

And while a lot of information were lost due to human greed, a lot more were discovered and shared and spread between nations. Silk, paper, Chinese architecture, books, and even Chinese noodles, which became pasta in Europe. Most important of all is gunpowder, which led to the creation of muskets and rise of the European nations. Even stuff that people wanted to keep secret forever will be revealed eventually if that knowledge is important enough.

I regarding Chinese medicine, are they better now than Wah To during the 3 kingdom period?

In fact, China was actually the most dominant and advance civilization in the world until the last couple centuries. You can blame the Qing Dynasty for our fall from grace, not Chinese culture as a whole.

The Qing Dynasty really screw up China. Imagine if Emperor Chongzhen didn't kill Yuan Chonghuan and promote him, the Ming Dynasty would not fall and probably last to these days. China would be very different these days.

Was Dugu 9Jian actually considered a Huashan Art? Perhaps it wouldn't be appropriate to incorporate it into Huashan when it had its own sword arts (Yue Buqun's "Life-stealing Three Linked Fairies Sword" wasn't brilliant, but Feng Buping's "Hurricane Fast Sword" was top class). He could probably do what Feng Qingyang did and identify a worthy successor somewhere down the line, but I don't think Dugu Jiujian should have been passed on to everyone in Huashan. If he did that, he'd have to pass it on to everyone in Northern Hengshan because he was also head of Northern Hengshan. Out of compassion (and possibly out of respect for the late Mo Da - if he really died) he could even pass it on to Southern Hengshan, which were a very decent bunch of people who were decimated by the events in the novel.

At the end Huashan had its own arts it could rely on (and had built the sect upon all those years). Neither Bixie nor Dugu Jiujian belonged to it even if their two best fighters used those skills as their staple.

Why not share the knowledge? LHC should just pass the Dugu 9 sword and Yit Jinjing to Huashan, Northern Hengshan and Southern Hangshan. Pass them the knowledge and how much they can learn from it is up to them.

[Doc Kwok]

He did not found his own school. He was about to retire from jianghu for good. Even if he plan to open his own school, he still could teach Dugu 9 Sword to Huashan.

Incorrect - although he had abdicated his position as head of Hengshan, the novel did not state that he had any intentions of retiring from the martial world any time soon (unless you are going by Jet Li's Swordsman series).

Why not share the knowledge? LHC should just pass the Dugu 9 sword and Yit Jinjing to Huashan, Northern Hengshan and Southern Hangshan. Pass them the knowledge and how much they can learn from it is up to them.

Yijin Jing is a Shaolin art, and is not his to pass on freely as he wishes. Dugu 9 Jian is not a Huashan art, hence he is not obligated to pass it back to Huashan, and can pass it on (or not) to anyone he likes.

Huashan is not a 'good' sect. The behaviour of both the Qi and Sword factions were disgraceful. They expelled LHC and despite repeated pleas to be accepted back they never did, which alone absolves LHC of any responsibility towards them. YBQ repeatedly abused him, using him as a scapegoat for his theft of the Bixie manual and abused his trust and feelings towards Yue Lingshan during the unification meeting of the five sects. Even aside from YBQ, none of his fellow students (except Yue Lingshan to some extent) stood up for him in any way despite owing him their lives, and during his inauguration at Hengshan, they showed up to help assassinate him while he was unarmed, indicating that they were not merely passive bystanders but active participants in the scheming between sects - why would LHC want to help such people?

LHC is friends with Mo Da, and acquainted with Liu Zhengfeng, but these are merely individuals in (South) Hengshan - he owes the sect itself nothing. And at least one member (Lu Lianrong) who showed up with the Sword faction remnant was on the Songshan payroll.

[Dirt]

If anything, LHC should pass Dugu 9 Jian to Shaolin.

[XiaoYe]

LHC should pass his skills on to whoever he wants to. He is not obliged to pass skills on to every sect he is associated with. Would you pass your skills on to every company you worked in? You would only pass on what is needed at the company, not just dump a whole lot of skills to them whether they need it or not. Same goes for LHC. He passed on the skills that was necessary for HuaShan. Hua Shan doesn't deserve to be given any other skills just because they have connections. Plus Hua Shan should be shining and refining their own martial arts, not someone else's. It would be too embarrassing for them to win with a skill that's not their own sect's. They are very serious about that kind of stuff.

[Ace High]

Ling Hu Chong's top three arts (Dugu Jiu Jian, Xi Xing Da Fa and Yi Jin Jing) weren't Huashan's anyway, so he wasn't duty-bound and/or honour-bound to pass them to future Huashan's leader. Furthermore, Huashan disciples have learned their long lost skills from the cave at the Cliff of Contemplation.

[Mido-Ban]

He should pass em to worthy people so they won't be forgotten. Thats y I hate it all jin Yong main villains n characters. They all for got to make manuscript so their martial arts won't be forgotten.

Ex iron palm, golden wheel monks elephant move, dugu 9, 6 meridian sword never made comeback. Big dipper, jade maiden, left right tech, mok Yong Fu family tech.

In series tvb devil disciple a lot of moves resurfaced, including kamehameha lol. N in Number one in the world Roger kwok character had a lot of lost martial arts including shaolin yi jin jing

In shaolin soccer dugu sword was used to trim bushes lol

[Ace High]

In shaolin soccer dugu sword was used to trim bushes lol

I was lolling at that scene. Practical usage of kung fu in daily life.