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    Default 9 Yin shen gong / 9 yang shen gong vs Chun Yang Wu Ji Gong

    9 yin shen gong was compiled by Huang Shang from thousands of loose scrolls containing information on everything from inner power to healing techniques to Taoist philosophy.

    9 yang shen gong was developed by a Buddhist monk after reading 9 Yin.

    9 yin and 9 yang is pretty much on par with each other.

    Z3F was a martial arts genius and came up with Chun Yang Wu Ji Gong from studying Taoism.

    How does Chun Yang Wu Ji Gong compare to 9 Yin and 9 Yang? Was it as strong and comparable to 9 yin and yang?

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    What is Chonyang Wuji Gong🤔🤔🤔🤔

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    Quote Originally Posted by Western Eccentric View Post
    What is Chonyang Wuji Gong🤔🤔🤔🤔
    It was used by Zhang Sanfeng and the remaining Wudang disciples to heal Zhang Wuji's injuries from the Xuanming palms. It didn't work, but did succeed in prolonging his lifespan.

    I would put my money on 9 yang/9 yin - all the disciples studied it, yet none exhibited the degree of inner power shown by ZWJ even prior to the QK bag event.

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    Oww I see..
    Since Wudang martial art based on 9 Yang Manual that mean Chongyang Wuji Gong also have "Wudang 9 Yang Art" or "pure" Taoist art

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    I think it was stated that Z3F's internal was more pure than Zhang Wuji's, so it maybe not too far behind the other 2 more well known arts.

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    I think Chung Yeung Mo Gik Gung is something that, if you had Cheung 3 Fung's talent and several decades of time to train, could get you to Greats level. It won't get you there in just a few years the way 9 Yum Jen Ging and 9 Yeung Jen Ging would though. As we've seen with various characters, people can and have attained Greats level without special manuals such as 9 Yum and 9 Yeung, but what those manuals do is reduce the training time from multiple decades to less than one decade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    I think Chung Yeung Mo Gik Gung is something that, if you had Cheung 3 Fung's talent and several decades of time to train, could get you to Greats level.
    The Cantonese pronunciation of '純' is 'Sun' (or 'Seon' in Jyutping) - as in 'pure Yang'. It has nothing to do with Wang Chongyang at all .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stance View Post
    I think it was stated that Z3F's internal was more pure than Zhang Wuji's, so it maybe not too far behind the other 2 more well known arts.
    I'm not sure that Z3F's internal was purely based on CYWJG - it seemed like just one art out of many that Z3F had. Wudang also had its version of 9 yang as a separate art (which was taught to young ZWJ).

    Purer doesn't necessarily mean stronger or deeper though - Z3F felt that ZWJ's inner power seemed almost limitless. I think the main difference is in efficiency. Z3F is like an assassin's stiletto - the blade slips in between the ribs, pokes the heart, slips back out again - minimal physical effort for maximal effectiveness. ZWJ is like a cannon - fire and smoke spraying in all directions, and the opponent is blown into pieces - wasteful and overkill. The opponent is just as dead in either case, but I don't think many would say that the cannon has less energy than the stiletto...

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    Even with his "purest" inner force he still thought he's not at GJ/YG "level"🤔🤔🤔🤔

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    Chunyang Wuji Gong - great ELOMA. I completely O'ed this one.
    忽见柳荫下两个小孩子在哀哀痛哭,瞧模样正是武敦儒、武修文兄弟。郭芙大声叫道:「喂,你们在干甚麽?」武 修文回头见是郭芙,哭道:「我们在哭,你不见麽?」

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    I think Chung Yeung Mo Gik Gung is something that, if you had Cheung 3 Fung's talent and several decades of time to train, could get you to Greats level. It won't get you there in just a few years the way 9 Yum Jen Ging and 9 Yeung Jen Ging would though. As we've seen with various characters, people can and have attained Greats level without special manuals such as 9 Yum and 9 Yeung, but what those manuals do is reduce the training time from multiple decades to less than one decade.
    So ignoring how fast an internal can reach a greats level, if "all roads lead to Rome," then how can we compare which one is stronger?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stance View Post
    So ignoring how fast an internal can reach a greats level, if "all roads lead to Rome," then how can we compare which one is stronger?
    The one that your favourite character uses. That's the rule most posters here abide by.
    Its BIxie Jianfa Gawdammit you guys!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CC View Post
    The one that your favourite character uses. That's the rule most posters here abide by.
    Looks like SWORD GOD Zhuo Bufan is the most popular and favourite amongst posters on here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stance View Post
    Looks like SWORD GOD Zhuo Bufan is the most popular and favourite amongst posters on here.
    Naw, he went out of fashion at least 7 years ago.
    Its BIxie Jianfa Gawdammit you guys!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CC View Post
    The one that your favourite character uses. That's the rule most posters here abide by.
    Gwok Jing is my favorite Jin Yong wuxia character. I do NOT believe that his combination of Hong Lung 18 Palms and 9 Yum Jen Ging, formidable as it is in his own era, would enable him to challenge the likes of the Siu Yiu Sect Elders or their disciple Hui Juk with their Bak Ming Sung Gung arts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stance View Post
    Looks like SWORD GOD Zhuo Bufan is the most popular and favourite amongst posters on here.
    SWORD GOD's cheering section has been primarily CC and PJ...

    Quote Originally Posted by CC View Post
    Naw, he went out of fashion at least 7 years ago.
    ...and as CC himself admits, that was a long time ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    Gwok Jing is my favorite Jin Yong wuxia character. I do NOT believe that his combination of Hong Lung 18 Palms and 9 Yum Jen Ging, formidable as it is in his own era, would enable him to challenge the likes of the Siu Yiu Sect Elders or their disciple Hui Juk with their Bak Ming Sung Gung arts.



    SWORD GOD's cheering section has been primarily CC and PJ...



    ...and as CC himself admits, that was a long time ago.
    Well obviously not when they are significantly apart but say GJ vs YG.


    awwwwwww you miss him already?
    Its BIxie Jianfa Gawdammit you guys!!!!

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    I was under the impression that Chunyang was the 1/3rd of 9Yang which Zhang Sanfeng learned from Guo Yuan. When Guo Yuan died, he recited 9 Yang, and the three people present each managed to catch one third of it. If I remember correctly, Reverend Wuse, who was hiding in a tree, could only catch the first third because Guo Yuan's voice became too soft and weak and he couldn't hear the rest. Guo Xiang could only catch the part which dealt with some martial arts principles which she understood, while the young Zhang Sanfeng could only remember a portion for some reason which escapes me completely. When Zhang Sanfeng realised that Chunyang would not be enough to heal Zhang Wuji, he wanted to bring Wuji to Shaolin and Ermei to beg for their portions of 9 yang so that they could reconstruct it and heal Wuji. Shaolin, of course, rejected him outright, making a trip to Ermei pointless, and plot armour would bring Wuji to Butterfly Valley, and later on to the gorilla's cave anyway.

    In the game Jin Yong Online, in order to learn 9 Yang, you needed to get access to Chunyang, Shaolin 9 Yang and Ermei 9 Yang or something, so maybe because of that I always assumed that Chunyang was an abridged version of 9 Yang, and because of that really powerful but short of being the great internal which 9 yang or 9 yin were supposed to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Liew View Post
    I was under the impression that Chunyang was the 1/3rd of 9Yang which Zhang Sanfeng learned from Guo Yuan. When Guo Yuan died, he recited 9 Yang, and the three people present each managed to catch one third of it. If I remember correctly, Reverend Wuse, who was hiding in a tree, could only catch the first third because Guo Yuan's voice became too soft and weak and he couldn't hear the rest. Guo Xiang could only catch the part which dealt with some martial arts principles which she understood, while the young Zhang Sanfeng could only remember a portion for some reason which escapes me completely. When Zhang Sanfeng realised that Chunyang would not be enough to heal Zhang Wuji, he wanted to bring Wuji to Shaolin and Ermei to beg for their portions of 9 yang so that they could reconstruct it and heal Wuji. Shaolin, of course, rejected him outright, making a trip to Ermei pointless, and plot armour would bring Wuji to Butterfly Valley, and later on to the gorilla's cave anyway.

    In the game Jin Yong Online, in order to learn 9 Yang, you needed to get access to Chunyang, Shaolin 9 Yang and Ermei 9 Yang or something, so maybe because of that I always assumed that Chunyang was an abridged version of 9 Yang, and because of that really powerful but short of being the great internal which 9 yang or 9 yin were supposed to be.
    I thought Z3F came up with Chunyang after studying Taoism and the 9yang that he learnt was different and became Wudang 9Yang.

    Maybe somebody on here can clarify?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Liew View Post
    I was under the impression that Chunyang was the 1/3rd of 9Yang which Zhang Sanfeng learned from Guo Yuan. When Guo Yuan died, he recited 9 Yang, and the three people present each managed to catch one third of it. If I remember correctly, Reverend Wuse, who was hiding in a tree, could only catch the first third because Guo Yuan's voice became too soft and weak and he couldn't hear the rest. Guo Xiang could only catch the part which dealt with some martial arts principles which she understood, while the young Zhang Sanfeng could only remember a portion for some reason which escapes me completely. When Zhang Sanfeng realised that Chunyang would not be enough to heal Zhang Wuji, he wanted to bring Wuji to Shaolin and Ermei to beg for their portions of 9 yang so that they could reconstruct it and heal Wuji. Shaolin, of course, rejected him outright, making a trip to Ermei pointless, and plot armour would bring Wuji to Butterfly Valley, and later on to the gorilla's cave anyway.
    They all heard the whole thing, but because it was only recited once, and in a rambling fashion with Buddhist scriptures interwoven in between, they remembered different bits, with each developing their own spin on it with a unique emphasis (Shaolin's is power, Emei's is breadth, Wudang's is purity) afterwards.

    CYWJG is definitely separate from Wudang's 9 yang. It was only mentioned in a single paragraph in the entirety of HSDS, and I'm not sure it is even an inner-power cultivation technique! All we know is that Z3F was using it when he pressed his bare chest against ZWJ's back to ward off the cold poison, and that Z3F was super-good at it because he was a 100-year old virgin. Maybe all it does is make your chest really hot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Kwok View Post
    CYWJG is definitely separate from Wudang's 9 yang. It was only mentioned in a single paragraph in the entirety of HSDS, and I'm not sure it is even an inner-power cultivation technique! All we know is that Z3F was using it when he pressed his bare chest against ZWJ's back to ward off the cold poison, and that Z3F was super-good at it because he was a 100-year old virgin. Maybe all it does is make your chest really hot?
    Lol

    Did any of the 7 students learnt CYWJG?

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