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    Quote Originally Posted by Trien Chieu View Post
    If a fighter does not have courage to fight a 1-to-1 fair fight.
    Formations of relatively weaker fighters against a single stronger fighter were accepted as fair game in wulin. Shaolin, Beggar's Union, Cheun Jen Sect, Mo Dong Sect, and other martial arts schools held in high regard openly and knowingly used multi-man formations, and nobody cried foul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    Formations of relatively weaker fighters against a single stronger fighter were accepted as fair game in wulin. Shaolin, Beggar's Union, Cheun Jen Sect, Mo Dong Sect, and other martial arts schools held in high regard openly and knowingly used multi-man formations, and nobody cried foul.
    I mean someone at his/her level. For example, GWM is considered at around GJ level so if he is man of honor then he should fight GJ in a 1-to-1 fair fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stance View Post
    I have a feeling Zhang Sanfeng isn't the type of person that would brag about something if it didn't work?
    I mean the way he thought of the formation was sitting in seclusion and just theorizing it out. He didn't have people to test it out or people to test it out on, so as brilliant as he is there could easily be flaws.

    It was also mentioned that the brothers never needed more than 2-3 brothers to fight off enemies, so I imagine they haven't tested it out even with 4 brothers against enemies nevermind the full 7 of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tape View Post
    I mean the way he thought of the formation was sitting in seclusion and just theorizing it out. He didn't have people to test it out or people to test it out on, so as brilliant as he is there could easily be flaws.

    It was also mentioned that the brothers never needed more than 2-3 brothers to fight off enemies, so I imagine they haven't tested it out even with 4 brothers against enemies nevermind the full 7 of them.
    Surely they would of tested it out during learning the formation? The 7 against their master when practicing it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stance View Post
    Surely they would of tested it out during learning the formation? The 7 against their master when practicing it?
    I'd think so too, especially if ZSF is some martial arts nuts that can't wait to test his theories, but in the scope of the story they probably have not. Keep in mind the eldest is 40+ while the youngest is ~20 so it's not like he harbored a group of students to finally establish it's power; he just accepted students that had potential and the best of the students eventually learned the formation.

    Look at Huang Yaoshi versus the Quanzhen formation. Against 6 of them he completely demolishes them. Against 7 is when they finally match him. Zhang Sanfeng could easily watch six of his most powerful disciples performing his techniques and thinking ugh nvm they aren't really as strong as I thought and give up on it.

    It might still be their best team amplification power, but it could very well be much weaker than advertised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tape View Post
    I'd think so too, especially if ZSF is some martial arts nuts that can't wait to test his theories, but in the scope of the story they probably have not. Keep in mind the eldest is 40+ while the youngest is ~20 so it's not like he harbored a group of students to finally establish it's power; he just accepted students that had potential and the best of the students eventually learned the formation.

    Look at Huang Yaoshi versus the Quanzhen formation. Against 6 of them he completely demolishes them. Against 7 is when they finally match him. Zhang Sanfeng could easily watch six of his most powerful disciples performing his techniques and thinking ugh nvm they aren't really as strong as I thought and give up on it.

    It might still be their best team amplification power, but it could very well be much weaker than advertised.
    Have you seen this translation of how he created Zhen Wu? It looks like he taught them all at the same time and the way it was created sounds very impressive.

    Zhang SanFeng still had one set of martial art skill that was extremely worthy of pride, it was called “Zhen Wu's Seven Spheres Formation.” The Wu Dang sect offered worship to the deity Zhen Wu, and when Zhang SanFeng saw the pair of statuettes comprising of a snake and a tortoise that was always situated in front the statue of Zhen Wu, he thought to the SheShan and GuiShan located at the juncture between the ChangJiang and the HanShui River Valleys. When he thought over the agile lightness of a long snake contrasted with the lumbering heaviness of a tortoise, he also thought to how the diety Zhen Wu was able to place his leg on the shell of a tortoise while his right leg rested on the body of a snake, thus capturing the essence of the most lithe and cumbersome objects' fundamental nature. He immediately took off that moment, journeying through the night to arrive at the Northern areas of the HanShui River Valleys to study the two She and Gui mountains. Through the undulating twists of the SheShan and the stately stableness of the GuiShan, he was able to create an incredibly brilliant and mystical martial art skill.

    However, the She and Gui mountains were so majestic in their force, that it caused the martial arts inspired by the intensity of the mountains to be so profound and boundless, that it encompassed a vast field and became something of which could not be fully implemented through one person’s power. Zhang SanFeng quietly stood by the river’s bank and for three days abstained from drinking a single drop of water or consuming a tiny morsel of food. He concentrated all his energies into mulling over this skill, yet was still unable to solve this problem. But during the early dawn of the fourth morning, he watched the sun rise from the East to cast a million streaks of wavering golden slithers and flickering spots of sparkling illuminations on the face of the river. He was suddenly enlightened and after engaging in a hearty laugh, he returned to the Wu Dang mountain and brought his seven disciples to him in order to relate a martial art skill to each one of them.

    These seven different forms of martial arts when executed separately is of course each an embodiment of brilliance and exquisiteness in their own right, but if two people combine their efforts, the brothers can support and facilitate each other by simultaneously fostering their attack while maintaining their defence, causing their power to be increased even further. If three people simultaneously executed their moves, their power would be double that of the combined effort of two individuals. The power of four people would equal to that of eight first rate fighters while five people amounts to the force of sixteen fighters and six fighters will be equivalent to thirty-two fighters. By the time they can gather the efforts of seven fighters simultaneously, it would be analogous to having the collective force of sixty-four of the present era’s first-rate fighters attacking all at once. Within the present era, the number of martial artists who can be classified as a first rate fighter was merely a small list comprised of twenty or thirty people, what are the chances of having the opportunity to gather together all these first rate fighters? Even if they could be gathered together, within these fighters there were the good and the evil, the compassionate and the malicious, how could they possibly co-operate together as a group?

    Because this skill of Zhang SanFeng’s was inspired by the tortoise and snake statues that stood by the foot of deity Zhen Wu, it was therefore titled as the “Zhen Wu Seven Spheres Formation.” At that time, he painstakingly pondered over the difficulty in making up for the vacancy in the west end while one watched over the east, which would simultaneously afford opponents with the chance of taking advantage of the exposed vacancy in the Southern and Northern ends. It was only later when he came up with the solution of directing his seven disciples to execute this skill as a group was he finally able to resolve this problem. Although he couldn’t help but be a little disappointed over the fact that this “Zhen Wu Seven Spheres Formation” could not be worked out in such a way so as to enable just one person to executed it, but when he thought to, “If this skill really can be executed through the power of just one person, then wouldn’t that mean just one person’s power would be enough to defeat the combined force of sixty-four first rate fighters? Is that not a much too absurd and arrogant idea?” and couldn’t help himself from laughing while being at a complete loss of words.

    Since the Seven Heroes of Wu Dang have made their name within the martial arts world, there has not been an encounter in which they were not able to achieve the upper hand. Regardless of how powerful of an opponent they may be pitted up against, the most they would require would be just the combined efforts of two or three brothers in order to conquer and be victorious.
    I find it hard to believe that after learning it, that they've never tested it amongst themself.

    It's like an F1 team putting in the hard effort to design and build their new car and then saying "we can't be bothered to test it on our track" lets wait and see how it does in a competition.
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    In the VERY next line of what you quoted, it states that it's never been used before. Did you intentionally cut it off there to make your point?

    "Since the Seven Heroes of Wu Dang have made their name within the martial arts world, there has not been an encounter in which they were not able to achieve the upper hand. Regardless of how powerful of an opponent they may be pitted up against, the most they would require would be just the combined efforts of two or three brothers in order to conquer and be victorious. This “Zhen Wu Seven Spheres Formation” has not been used even once. At the present moment, Song YuanQiao knew that they were faced with great adversaries, for nobody really knew exactly how powerful the three divine reverends of Shaolin were. Though he thinks that he may be able to equally tie one of them, these were nevertheless overconfident conjectures on his own part. It could very well be that he would be thoroughly defeated as soon as he struck out, which was why he was suddenly reminded of the treasured secret weapon of the Wu Dang sect, the never-been-used “Zhen Wu Seven Spheres Formation.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by tape View Post
    In the VERY next line of what you quoted, it states that it's never been used before. Did you intentionally cut it off there to make your point?

    "Since the Seven Heroes of Wu Dang have made their name within the martial arts world, there has not been an encounter in which they were not able to achieve the upper hand. Regardless of how powerful of an opponent they may be pitted up against, the most they would require would be just the combined efforts of two or three brothers in order to conquer and be victorious. This “Zhen Wu Seven Spheres Formation” has not been used even once. At the present moment, Song YuanQiao knew that they were faced with great adversaries, for nobody really knew exactly how powerful the three divine reverends of Shaolin were. Though he thinks that he may be able to equally tie one of them, these were nevertheless overconfident conjectures on his own part. It could very well be that he would be thoroughly defeated as soon as he struck out, which was why he was suddenly reminded of the treasured secret weapon of the Wu Dang sect, the never-been-used “Zhen Wu Seven Spheres Formation.”
    No, what i was trying to say is any person in real life would have at least test out what they have just created. Why would a genius like ZSF never thought of at least testing it against himself. Like after teaching them, since they are all there, so why not at least give it a go, rather than saying, now let's wait and see what happens when we really need to use it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stance View Post
    No, what i was trying to say is any person in real life would have at least test out what they have just created. Why would a genius like ZSF never thought of at least testing it against himself. Like after teaching them, since they are all there, so why not at least give it a go, rather than saying, now let's wait and see what happens when we really need to use it?
    As strong as Z3F it's almost impossible for him to take on 32 - 64 "first class" martial artist simultanously..

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    Speaking of which, formation wise, the 3 Du Monks seem to have the best one even though it isn't praised as much theoretically.

    It only takes 3 people instead of 7, and it's from long range so kind of negates 99% of techniques since you're so far away and your teammates have more time to help. If you aren't just way faster and stronger you don't have a chance at all, unlike the other ones in close proximity where you can have a burst of brilliance and figure out how to break it with a few stabs.

    The 64 experts thing of the Zhenwu formation sounds less realistic to me than the Du Monks flying around and mopping up 64 experts a few at a time from long range. They've shown that ability partly against a dozen or so at least.
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    Who's the most persuasive among the Trilogy characters? Get them to persuade Zhang Sanfeng that his heart's desire is to defeat Dugu Qiubai. Then Zhang Sanfeng can accomplish anything that his heart desires.

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