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    After Princess Hua Jeng's final appearance in LOCH to slip Gwok Jing the secret military intel that the Mongol forces were on their way to Seung Yeung Fortress, Jin Yong never really makes explicit what becomes of the princess. Certainly, she doesn't show up in ROCH.

    Do you think it's possible or likely that her act of treason (because that's what it was) against her people resulted in her execution? At the time that Princess Hua Jeng provided Gwok Jing with the Seung Yeung intel, her father Genghis Khan had only weeks to live, but if her brothers Tolui, Ogodei, Chagahatai, and Jochi were to find out what she had done, none of them was likely to spare her either.

    Princess Hua Jeng struck me as an honorable character. She felt responsible for the suicide death of Gwok Jing's mother Lee Ping (because the princess's lament to Genghis Khan tipped the Khan off that Gwok Jing was about to desert the Mongol army), and though Gwok Jing never personally blamed the princess for his mother's death, the princess nevertheless felt guilty over it and might have seen the sacrifice of her own life as compensation for Lee Ping's death. If this were indeed the case and Gwok Jing knew it , though, it would be a difficult burden for him to bear.

    What do you think?

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    Tolui would have done his best to protect her at the very least and as long as her actions are not made known to the wider public, I see see no reason why her other brothers would not also spare her.

    We must also remember her formidable mother Börte, it is unlikely she would allow her daughter to be killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandred Skavenslayer View Post
    Tolui would have done his best to protect her at the very least and as long as her actions are not made known to the wider public, I see see no reason why her other brothers would not also spare her.
    As much as they (especially Tolui) might have personally adored her, order and discipline were placed above all other considerations among the Mongols. I don't think they would have suffered a traitor in their midst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    As much as they (especially Tolui) might have personally adored her, order and discipline were placed above all other considerations among the Mongols. I don't think they would have suffered a traitor in their midst.
    That would only have applied if her betrayal was made public. The only people likely to know were her immediate family and they are unlikely to tell anyone. Besides GJ himself openly defied the Khan on more than one occasion, which could have been seen as treason yet he was spared with little consequence.

    We must also remember that when Temujin defeated Jamukha, he offered him a chance to serve under him. If the Khan could show mercy to a brother who openly waged war on him, then his family could show mercy to a wayward daughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandred Skavenslayer View Post
    That would only have applied if her betrayal was made public. The only people likely to know were her immediate family and they are unlikely to tell anyone. Besides GJ himself openly defied the Khan on more than one occasion, which could have been seen as treason yet he was spared with little consequence.

    We must also remember that when Temujin defeated Jamukha, he offered him a chance to serve under him. If the Khan could show mercy to a brother who openly waged war on him, then his family could show mercy to a wayward daughter.
    OT: If history is correct, it is Jamukha who helped Temujin first. And it is Jamukha who asked Temujin to serve under him. But since both of them want to be King, only one can leave standing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wkeej View Post
    OT: If history is correct, it is Jamukha who helped Temujin first. And it is Jamukha who asked Temujin to serve under him. But since both of them want to be King, only one can leave standing.
    I thought after Jamukha was defeated, Temujin offered to spare him due to their past, but Jamukha said there can be only one Sun in the Sky, so there can be only be one Khan to rule, then asked to be killed in the traditional Mongolian noble style of without shedding blood.

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    You are right, mf. What was i saying was their earlier lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    After Princess Hua Jeng's final appearance in LOCH to slip Gwok Jing the secret military intel that the Mongol forces were on their way to Seung Yeung Fortress, Jin Yong never really makes explicit what becomes of the princess. Certainly, she doesn't show up in ROCH.

    Do you think it's possible or likely that her act of treason (because that's what it was) against her people resulted in her execution? At the time that Princess Hua Jeng provided Gwok Jing with the Seung Yeung intel, her father Genghis Khan had only weeks to live, but if her brothers Tolui, Ogodei, Chagahatai, and Jochi were to find out what she had done, none of them was likely to spare her either.

    Princess Hua Jeng struck me as an honorable character. She felt responsible for the suicide death of Gwok Jing's mother Lee Ping (because the princess's lament to Genghis Khan tipped the Khan off that Gwok Jing was about to desert the Mongol army), and though Gwok Jing never personally blamed the princess for his mother's death, the princess nevertheless felt guilty over it and might have seen the sacrifice of her own life as compensation for Lee Ping's death. If this were indeed the case and Gwok Jing knew it , though, it would be a difficult burden for him to bear.

    What do you think?
    Genghis went to great lengths to avoid taking terminal action against his family. When Jochi and Chaghatai rowed, IRL he tried to give them joint campaigns to encourage them to work together. It was only when Jochi openly rebelled against him, undermining his authority as Khan, that it got too much. If Hua Zheng kept things secret, Genghis wouldn't have taken any action against her, especially if she retreated into Jochid territory.

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