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    Default Think any other Chinese during Yuan Dynasty (HSDS) would've heard of England?

    In HSDS, when Tse Tsun related the history of the Persian Ming Cult to Cheung Mo Gei, Chiu Mun, Chow Chi Yerk, and Siu Chiu, he referred briefly to the Kingdom of England and its ruler, King Edward I.

    While the Chinese had already been trading with Europe (e.g. the Roman Empire) for many centuries by the time of the Yuan Dynasty, would anybody in China during that timeframe have specifically have heard of England? Did that name mean anything to CMG and the others? Would anybody else in the Central Plains have heard of England during that era?

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    That's interesting.
    1. Did XX explain how he has heard of England?
    2. Under what context did XX use England in the conversation? Trade?

    Among the people, I can only deduce zm may have heard of such foreign countries. She will have some access to books about the outside world unless they are banned by the Mongol court.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wkeej View Post
    That's interesting.
    1. Did XX explain how he has heard of England?
    2. Under what context did XX use England in the conversation? Trade?

    Among the people, I can only deduce zm may have heard of such foreign countries. She will have some access to books about the outside world unless they are banned by the Mongol court.
    Years earlier, Tse Tsun had a conversation with Dor Yee See about the history of the Persian Ming Cult, which included its involvement in the conflicts that the Europeans knew as the Crusades. One part of that discussion referred to King Edward I of England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    In HSDS, when Tse Tsun related the history of the Persian Ming Cult to Cheung Mo Gei, Chiu Mun, Chow Chi Yerk, and Siu Chiu, he referred briefly to the Kingdom of England and its ruler, Edward the Confessor.

    While the Chinese had already been trading with Europe (e.g. the Roman Empire) for many centuries by the time of the Yuan Dynasty, would anybody in China during that timeframe have specifically have heard of England? Did that name mean anything to CMG and the others? Would anybody else in the Central Plains have heard of England during that era?
    Edward I, aka Longshanks. Prince Edward campaigned in the Holy Land during his youth, incidentally allying with the Mongols against the Mamluks. There were strong ties between Yuan and the Ilkhanate, so Xie Xun may have had access to the former's records as an interested historian. Prince Edward's effort was supposedly the closest the west came to coordinating efforts with the Mongols. A Mongolian envoy later tried to resume the alliance, but Edward (now King of England) was occupied at home and could not do anything useful.

    From wiki:

    The following month, an attempt to assassinate Edward was made. Several versions of who sent the assassin exist. According to different versions, the assassin was sent by the emir of Ramlah or by Baibars. Some legends also say that the assassin was sent by the "Old Man of the Mountains", leader of a heretical Muslim sect. Edward killed the assassin but received a festering wound from a poisoned dagger in the process, further delaying Edward's own departure
    If Xie Xun got the story from Daiqisi, then he may have got it from the Ilkhanate side instead.

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    Nothing to add about the England discussion, but Xie Xun as a scholar and intellectual is rarely shown. Besides the rarely talked about international informatio, he's one of the few characters that clearly admit his inferiority to the top characters of wulin [though he's really only inferiorior to Zhang Sanfeng].

    His entrance is definitely one of the best for side characters, and his character as a whole is my favorite in HSDS.

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