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    Default Percentage of DGKB's martial arts that you think YG, FCY, and LWC actually got?

    Assuming that Dook Goo Kau Bai is everything his reputation purports him to be as an invincible swordsman, what percentage do you think each of his "disciples" from future decades and centuries, such as Yeung Gor, Fung Ching Yeung, and Ling Wu Chung attained? If we set DGKB at his peak at 100%, what percentage did YG, FCY, and LWC attain during their lifetimes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    Assuming that Dook Goo Kau Bai is everything his reputation purports him to be as an invincible swordsman, what percentage do you think each of his "disciples" from future decades and centuries, such as Yeung Gor, Fung Ching Yeung, and Ling Wu Chung attained? If we set DGKB at his peak at 100%, what percentage did YG, FCY, and LWC attain during their lifetimes?
    - YG around 15%-20% of Mister Dugu level and 30%-40% in Dugu sword "skill"
    - FQY around 10% of Dugu level and 90% in Dugu sword skill
    - LHC around 7-8% of Dugu level and 80% in Dugu sword skill
    But the problem is did ROCH Dugu and SPW Dugu it's the same "person"😶😶😶😶

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    Quote Originally Posted by Western Eccentric View Post
    - YG around 15%-20% of Mister Dugu level and 30%-40% in Dugu sword "skill"
    - FQY around 10% of Dugu level and 90% in Dugu sword skill
    - LHC around 7-8% of Dugu level and 80% in Dugu sword skill
    But the problem is did ROCH Dugu and SPW Dugu it's the same "person"😶😶😶😶
    It's not too much of a stretch to imagine Dook Goo Kau Bai as a franchise rather than as a single individual. It almost makes more sense that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Western Eccentric View Post
    - YG around 15%-20% of Mister Dugu level and 30%-40% in Dugu sword "skill"
    - FQY around 10% of Dugu level and 90% in Dugu sword skill
    - LHC around 7-8% of Dugu level and 80% in Dugu sword skill
    Not sure about your assessment.

    But the problem is did ROCH Dugu and SPW Dugu it's the same "person"😶😶😶😶
    Absolutely. Here is DGKB:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trien Chieu View Post
    Not sure about your assessment.



    Absolutely. Here is DGKB:
    $this->handle_bbcode_img_match('http://ugc.qpic.cn/baikepic/24003/cut-20131218124923-247881278.jpg/0')
    Why did Yu think LHC/FQY is in the same class with YG/Greats well I highly doubt😕😕😕😕

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    It's not too much of a stretch to imagine Dook Goo Kau Bai as a franchise rather than as a single individual. It almost makes more sense that way.
    All your alternate Dugu theories are pretty ridiculous tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tape View Post
    All your alternate Dugu theories are pretty ridiculous tbh.
    It's not as crazy as it sounds. Some historians think that the great works of Sun Tzu, was a compilation was various military treatise, rather than the work of just one man. So it is not impossible that the skills attributed to Dugu, may have been the work of various swordsmen publishing under one pseudonym.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandred Skavenslayer View Post
    It's not as crazy as it sounds. Some historians think that the great works of Sun Tzu, was a compilation was various military treatise, rather than the work of just one man. So it is not impossible that the skills attributed to Dugu, may have been the work of various swordsmen publishing under one pseudonym.
    They might have all known each other and called their organization "Dook Goo Kau Bai." The idea that it was a coterie is intriguing.

    Moreover, some believe that the legendary Taoist figure Cheung 3 Fung might, in fact, have been a composite of several different individuals who lived at separate times during the Sung, Yuan, and Ming Dynasties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandred Skavenslayer View Post
    It's not as crazy as it sounds. Some historians think that the great works of Sun Tzu, was a compilation was various military treatise, rather than the work of just one man. So it is not impossible that the skills attributed to Dugu, may have been the work of various swordsmen publishing under one pseudonym.
    Sure, in real life things are not always as they seem, but like they say real life is stranger than fiction in that it doesn't have to make sense while fiction does.

    There's no indication that Dugu is an organization rather than one person, nor is there anything to suggest he is a fraud. A theory should have at least some literary evidence to back it up, but there is literally none.

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    I frankly like the idea of a small coterie of elite swordsmen developing these theories both separately and together over a period of years. One guy for the Sharp Sword Technique. Another guy for the Flexible Sword Technique. Another guy for Dook Goo 9 Swords. Another guy for the the Wooden Sword Technique. Another guy for the Heavy Iron Sword Technique. Perhaps the culmination of their work together was the No Sword Overcomes a Sword concept.

    It's even possible that among these swordsmen was one or more swordswomen. It's an intriguing idea to imagine.

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    Yeah, but not only is there no basis for it, it directly contradicts the character of Dugu in that he learned from each stage and progressed from the previous stage to a further stage where he ultimately overcomes sword without a sword because he understood every aspect of the sword from soft, hard, fast, slow, and everything in between.

    Speaking of Dugu speculations, there isn't much behind it either but I'm a fan of the flexible sword stage being Dugu 9 Jian. He would still be wandering jianghu at the time so could have left it behind somehow, and the description of accidentally hurting someone fits in perfectly with how we see Linghu Chong use it as a kamikaze sword style of always attacking and never defending. I'd imagine the flexible sword would also be great at attacking all weapons from weird angles

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    Quote Originally Posted by tape View Post
    Yeah, but not only is there no basis for it...
    Who cares? I'm not demanding the late Jin Yong rise from his grave to rewrite his story; it's just an idea I find intriguing.

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    Lol, ok then.

    It's just you value accuracy in most threads, and in this one you just pull something out of your *** and it's supposed to be obvious it's just some random fantasy of yours?
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    There's no indication that Dugu is an organization rather than one person, nor is there anything to suggest he is a fraud. A theory should have at least some literary evidence to back it up, but there is literally none.
    The indication is within the skills themselves. There is already some doubt that Dugu in the Condor Heroes and the Dugu in smiling/proud wanderer may not be the same person. Even if we just look at Dugu 9 swords there are indications that it was the work of more than one man.

    Sword 1, Sword Index: Supposedly this technique contains all the sword styles ever made. For this technique to hold true, then by necessity it must be added to through time as new sword styles are invented. Thus its very nature requires the work of more than just one man.
    Sword 2 - 9 must also be constantly added too in order to function, as new weapons and techniques are developed.

    In addition, to create any one sword style requires comprehensive understanding of a weapon or in the case of the 9th sword a martial technique. It would take a lifetime just to gain the experience and skills to create one of the sword styles and the idea that one man could create all 9 is almost unbelievable.

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    I think it's reasonable to add "at that time" to the end of the assertion. We can't expect Dugu to break all present AND future sword and weapon styles just because he sounds arrogant in his last words.

    Do you think it was just Dugu Jian, and over time it became two, three, four etc as masters of different weapons found it ? To me its more statistically impossible that 9 different masters of 9 different weapons stumbled upon and added onto the art and passed it down than one master just understanding how weapons worked.

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