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    Default Kiu Fung in his twenties.

    For most Jin Yong protagonists, the early twenties represent the core years of their stories: Deun Yu, Hui Juk, Gwok Jing, Yeung Gor, Cheung Mo Gei, and Ling Wu Chung were all in their twenties when they had the majority of their notable adventures.

    Kiu Fung is an outlier in that sense because he is already in his thirties (or very late twenties) as of his first appearance. We have some information (in flashback) about Kiu Fung's childhood and early adolescence, but his twenties are mostly opaque. How do you imagine Kiu Fung in his early twenties, especially in comparison to other Jin Yong protagonists at that age?

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    Good thread. I also wonder how is the life of XF. My limited understanding (indeed confusing) is:
    1. He stay with the old couple at the foot of Shaolin. Who brought XF to the couple?
    2. Did he join Shaolin? Who was his teacher then?
    3. How and why he join the Beggar Union? What was his age? Who taught him the Dragon Palms?
    4. What was his age when he became the leader of Beggar Union?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wkeej View Post
    Good thread. I also wonder how is the life of XF. My limited understanding (indeed confusing) is:

    1. He stay with the old couple at the foot of Shaolin. Who brought XF to the couple?
    Wasn't it Chief Abbot Yeun Chi?

    2. Did he join Shaolin? Who was his teacher then?
    He was a lay disciple of the Shaolin monk Yeun Fu, whom I believe was the monk who also brought herbal medicine to Kiu Fung's adoptive father when the latter was ill.

    3. How and why he join the Beggar Union? What was his age? Who taught him the Dragon Palms?
    I believe that this was the plan of the previous Beggar's Union Chief (Wong) and Shaolin Chief Abbot Yeun Chi. The Hong Lung 28 Palms naturally would have come from Chief Wong.

    4. What was his age when he became the leader of Beggar Union?
    In his late twenties, I imagine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    Wasn't it Chief Abbot Yeun Chi?



    He was a lay disciple of the Shaolin monk Yeun Fu, whom I believe was the monk who also brought herbal medicine to Kiu Fung's adoptive father when the latter was ill.



    I believe that this was the plan of the previous Beggar's Union Chief (Wong) and Shaolin Chief Abbot Yeun Chi. The Hong Lung 28 Palms naturally would have come from Chief Wong.



    In his late twenties, I imagine.
    1. Yeeep the "young" Xuanci and Wang Jiantong bring XF to Qiao couple
    2. Perfect
    3. Perhaps around age 18-19 when he join Kaypang since he 1st train martial art under Xuanku at age 7 and spend 10 years under Xuanku tutelage
    4. No. If I not wrong he once say during 8 year of his "service" as Kaypang Leader the sect was highly regarded at Wulin as a most powerful sect so he become Kaypang Leader around age 22-23

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    Quote Originally Posted by wkeej View Post
    Good thread. I also wonder how is the life of XF. My limited understanding (indeed confusing) is:
    1. He stay with the old couple at the foot of Shaolin. Who brought XF to the couple?
    2. Did he join Shaolin? Who was his teacher then?
    3. How and why he join the Beggar Union? What was his age? Who taught him the Dragon Palms?
    4. What was his age when he became the leader of Beggar Union?

    1. abbott Xuan Ci, after discussion with reverend zhiguang and wang jiantong
    2. he is lay-disciple of shaolin, but never went to shaolin, xuanci usually walk down from song mount (shaolin) to teach him
    3. those 3 survivors (xuan ci, zhiguang, jiantong) feel guilty to this kid, so they teach him martial arts (xuanci and wang jiantong) and want him to have some achievement , so they directed him join beggar sect
    4. exactly 22 years old

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    correction, the monk that taught Xiao Feng martial arts was XuanKu, not XuanCi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Western Eccentric View Post
    3. Perhaps around age 18-19 when he join Kaypang since he 1st train martial art under Xuanku at age 7 and spend 10 years under Xuanku tutelage
    minor correction

    he was 16 years old when joined gaibang (beggar sect)
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    Thanks for all the information. Looks like need to refresh my memory by watching the new DGSD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wkeej View Post
    Thanks for all the information. Looks like need to refresh my memory by watching the new DGSD.
    i feel that the new DGSD would diverge from novel, i saw a still picture where Azhu kiss Xiao Feng

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    Quote Originally Posted by a_tumiwa View Post
    1. abbott Xuan Ci, after discussion with reverend zhiguang and wang jiantong
    2. he is lay-disciple of shaolin, but never went to shaolin, xuanci usually walk down from song mount (shaolin) to teach him
    3. those 3 survivors (xuan ci, zhiguang, jiantong) feel guilty to this kid, so they teach him martial arts (xuanci and wang jiantong) and want him to have some achievement , so they directed him join beggar sect
    4. exactly 22 years old
    Xuanci wasn't mentioned as the one teaching him martial arts.

    Xuanku was the monk who taught Xiao Feng. He knows the Burning Wood Hand skill (apparently you can chop wood with your hands and it catches fire) and since he taught XF the Demon Subduing Palm he (Xuanku) should be master of 2 of the 72 arts at least.
    Its BIxie Jianfa Gawdammit you guys!!!!

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    I wonder how good XF with Burning Hand Skill instead of XL18Z🙄🙄🙄🙄

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    Quote Originally Posted by Western Eccentric View Post
    I wonder how good XF with Burning Hand Skill instead of XL18Z🙄🙄🙄🙄
    Kiu Fung apparently was conversant in a number of martial arts we never actually got to see him exhibit. The Dog Beating Stick Technique is another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CC View Post
    Xuanci wasn't mentioned as the one teaching him martial arts.


    Xuanku was the monk who taught Xiao Feng. He knows the Burning Wood Hand skill (apparently you can chop wood with your hands and it catches fire) and since he taught XF the Demon Subduing Palm he (Xuanku) should be master of 2 of the 72 arts at least.

    you re right , xuanci never taught Xiao Feng martial arts, it's actually xuanku, thanks for your correction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    Kiu Fung apparently was conversant in a number of martial arts we never actually got to see him exhibit. The Dog Beating Stick Technique is another.
    Only 2 I can think of, Demon Slaying Palm and Dog beating Stick.
    Its BIxie Jianfa Gawdammit you guys!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Western Eccentric View Post
    I wonder how good XF with Burning Hand Skill instead of XL18Z🙄🙄🙄🙄
    Unless the fire actually does something useful, it may waste energy even worse than dragon palms. When H7G was teaching GJ his first palm, GJ wasn't focusing his energy at first, and was making the tree shake instead of snapping the trunk. When GJ was chopping down the trees on the island, his dragon palms were exhausting him until he started using vacant palms to conserve energy. During the Huashan fight with H7G, H7G's pure dragon palms were using more energy than GJ's vacant palms and 9 yin-infused dragon palms.

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    Besides dragon palms, has XF exhibited any other skill? He is very good in qing gong. Does it have a name?

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    speaking about chopping down trees, Xiao Long Nu didnt have sword or axe at the broken heart cliff, but somehow she could chopped down tress and even made furniture. does it mean that xiao long nu have surpassed the stage of xiao feng and guo jing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by a_tumiwa View Post
    speaking about chopping down trees, Xiao Long Nu didnt have sword or axe at the broken heart cliff, but somehow she could chopped down tress and even made furniture. does it mean that xiao long nu have surpassed the stage of xiao feng and guo jing?
    She had lots and LOTS of time. Sixteen years of nothing better to do (same as stitching on those bees). It might take her 100 chops to accomplish what Kiu Fung or Gwok Jing could in just one, but she had the luxury of sixteen years with literally nothing else to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wkeej View Post
    Besides dragon palms, has XF exhibited any other skill?
    He was skilled @ Founder's Long Fist...

    Qiao Feng was watching his attack as two sleeves flew up with the wind as if they were 2 huge sails. The force of the attack was truly amazing.

    "'Heaven Within the Sleeve'! Incredible!" Qiao Feng shouted as he, with a swoosh, swatted at the sleeves. The force of XuanNan's sleeves were applied over a large area while Qiao Feng's strike was concentrated. With a string of loud tearing sounds, the 2 forces met. Suddenly the hall seemed to be filled with gray colored butterflies.

    Caught by surprise, everyone paused to collect themselves. Turned out that the gray butterflies was actually what used to be XuanNan's sleeves. When one turned one's gaze to XuanNan, one could see that his incredibly skinny arms were now completely exposed. When those 2 forces met head on, how could XuanNan's sleeves possibly take that kind of pressure? Thus they instantaneously torn to shreds. Now that he lost his sleeves, his sleeves naturally lost their "Heavens". In his fury, his face turned a metallic green color. With a simple palm strike, Qiao Feng was able to defeat the very skill that had made him famous. Not able to stand such humiliation, waving his arms wildly, he charged without abandoned. Everyone recognized that what he was using was "Founder's Long Fist." It was this fist skill, along with a cane skill, that was used by the Founder of Song dynasty, Song TaiZu Zhao KuangYin to conquer and unite all of China under the Great Song. None of the Emperors since then had been as fierce or brave as Song TaiZu. These set of "Founder's Long Fist" and "Founder's Cane" was the most popular skills in the martial world, even if one didn't practice it, one was familiar with it.
    Seeing such a famous ShaoLin monk, whose kungfu prowess was world famous, use such a plain, everyday skill surprised everyone. But after he had gone through 3 moves, everyone couldn't help but praise: "ShaoLin Sect's fame and acclaim is indeed well merited. The same 'Crossing Thousand Kilometers' would be so powerful when he uses it."

    Because of their admiration, none of them seemed to mind how strange XuanNan looked without any sleeves.

    Qiao Feng was surrounded by several scores of people, but as soon as XuanNan struck, the others, feeling that they were merely getting in the way, temporarily backed off. They still surrounded him in the middle of several rings, so as to not let escape. But everyone was completely mesmerized by the fight between XuanNan and him.

    Noticing that others have backed off, an idea suddenly popped into Qiao Feng's head. With a loud swoosh, he struck out with his palm with a "Charging the Formation and Killing the General", yet another move from "Founder's Long Fist". The move was looked completely natural and poised. There was a hint of give within the unyielding force of the strike as well as a hint of firmness within its softness. The state of perfection in mastery that all kungfu practitioner wish for had been clearly exemplified by this move. Of all the people gathered here in this "Gathering of Heroes", even if their kungfu skill weren't good, they were at least extremely knowledgeable, so everyone knew and understood the essence of "Founder's Long Fist." Upon seeing Qiao Feng's move, quite a number of them could not help but cheer in admiration!


    Many people immediately regretted the cheer, for it was in praise and support of their sworn enemy. But now that the sound had left their mouth, they couldn't take it back. Qiao Feng followed with a "New Moon's Majesty", which was just as refined, it was hard to tell whether this move was better or worse than his last move. Another cheer went up in the hall as a number people still couldn't hold it back in, but because several people realized the paradox the cheering created and held back, the cheer this time was quieter than last. Nevertheless, there were still quite a number of "oohs" and "ahhs" uttered in admiration. Everyone had been too involved in battle with Qiao Feng to worry about anything else, but now that they were an outside observer, they finally realized how amazing his kungfu really was.

    After Qiao Feng and XuanNan exchanged 7 or 8 moves, it had became obvious who was better. Despite the fact that both were using the same simple fist techniques, every one of Qiao Feng's moves came after XuanNan's move. As soon as XuanNan made a move, Qiao Feng would follow it up, but for some reason, maybe it was his youth or maybe he was just quicker, every one of Qiao Feng's moves would arrive at its objective before XuanNan's move. There's only 64 moves in "Founder's Long Fist," but each one of them could effectively counter another. Qiao Feng would recognize his opponent's move before countering with the move that would cancel it. In this situation, how could XuanNan not lose? Everyone present understood the reason behind this, but to be able to "move later but arrive faster", especially when facing such a master such as XuanNan, had they not witnessed it themselves, none of them could have imagined it was possible.

    Seeing XuanNan in trouble, Xuan Ju shouted: "You barbaric Khitan dog! How dare you use such despicable methods?"
    "I'm using our country's founder's fist, how dare you call me 'despicable'?" Qiao Feng answered righteously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stance View Post
    He was skilled @ Founder's Long Fist...

    Qiao Feng was watching his attack as two sleeves flew up with the wind as if they were 2 huge sails. The force of the attack was truly amazing.

    "'Heaven Within the Sleeve'! Incredible!" Qiao Feng shouted as he, with a swoosh, swatted at the sleeves. The force of XuanNan's sleeves were applied over a large area while Qiao Feng's strike was concentrated. With a string of loud tearing sounds, the 2 forces met. Suddenly the hall seemed to be filled with gray colored butterflies.

    Caught by surprise, everyone paused to collect themselves. Turned out that the gray butterflies was actually what used to be XuanNan's sleeves. When one turned one's gaze to XuanNan, one could see that his incredibly skinny arms were now completely exposed. When those 2 forces met head on, how could XuanNan's sleeves possibly take that kind of pressure? Thus they instantaneously torn to shreds. Now that he lost his sleeves, his sleeves naturally lost their "Heavens". In his fury, his face turned a metallic green color. With a simple palm strike, Qiao Feng was able to defeat the very skill that had made him famous. Not able to stand such humiliation, waving his arms wildly, he charged without abandoned. Everyone recognized that what he was using was "Founder's Long Fist." It was this fist skill, along with a cane skill, that was used by the Founder of Song dynasty, Song TaiZu Zhao KuangYin to conquer and unite all of China under the Great Song. None of the Emperors since then had been as fierce or brave as Song TaiZu. These set of "Founder's Long Fist" and "Founder's Cane" was the most popular skills in the martial world, even if one didn't practice it, one was familiar with it.
    Seeing such a famous ShaoLin monk, whose kungfu prowess was world famous, use such a plain, everyday skill surprised everyone. But after he had gone through 3 moves, everyone couldn't help but praise: "ShaoLin Sect's fame and acclaim is indeed well merited. The same 'Crossing Thousand Kilometers' would be so powerful when he uses it."

    Because of their admiration, none of them seemed to mind how strange XuanNan looked without any sleeves.

    Qiao Feng was surrounded by several scores of people, but as soon as XuanNan struck, the others, feeling that they were merely getting in the way, temporarily backed off. They still surrounded him in the middle of several rings, so as to not let escape. But everyone was completely mesmerized by the fight between XuanNan and him.

    Noticing that others have backed off, an idea suddenly popped into Qiao Feng's head. With a loud swoosh, he struck out with his palm with a "Charging the Formation and Killing the General", yet another move from "Founder's Long Fist". The move was looked completely natural and poised. There was a hint of give within the unyielding force of the strike as well as a hint of firmness within its softness. The state of perfection in mastery that all kungfu practitioner wish for had been clearly exemplified by this move. Of all the people gathered here in this "Gathering of Heroes", even if their kungfu skill weren't good, they were at least extremely knowledgeable, so everyone knew and understood the essence of "Founder's Long Fist." Upon seeing Qiao Feng's move, quite a number of them could not help but cheer in admiration!


    Many people immediately regretted the cheer, for it was in praise and support of their sworn enemy. But now that the sound had left their mouth, they couldn't take it back. Qiao Feng followed with a "New Moon's Majesty", which was just as refined, it was hard to tell whether this move was better or worse than his last move. Another cheer went up in the hall as a number people still couldn't hold it back in, but because several people realized the paradox the cheering created and held back, the cheer this time was quieter than last. Nevertheless, there were still quite a number of "oohs" and "ahhs" uttered in admiration. Everyone had been too involved in battle with Qiao Feng to worry about anything else, but now that they were an outside observer, they finally realized how amazing his kungfu really was.

    After Qiao Feng and XuanNan exchanged 7 or 8 moves, it had became obvious who was better. Despite the fact that both were using the same simple fist techniques, every one of Qiao Feng's moves came after XuanNan's move. As soon as XuanNan made a move, Qiao Feng would follow it up, but for some reason, maybe it was his youth or maybe he was just quicker, every one of Qiao Feng's moves would arrive at its objective before XuanNan's move. There's only 64 moves in "Founder's Long Fist," but each one of them could effectively counter another. Qiao Feng would recognize his opponent's move before countering with the move that would cancel it. In this situation, how could XuanNan not lose? Everyone present understood the reason behind this, but to be able to "move later but arrive faster", especially when facing such a master such as XuanNan, had they not witnessed it themselves, none of them could have imagined it was possible.

    Seeing XuanNan in trouble, Xuan Ju shouted: "You barbaric Khitan dog! How dare you use such despicable methods?"
    "I'm using our country's founder's fist, how dare you call me 'despicable'?" Qiao Feng answered righteously.
    Thanks for the interesting narration, Stance. So, who taught XF Founder's Long Fist skills? Xuanku?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wkeej View Post
    Thanks for the interesting narration, Stance. So, who taught XF Founder's Long Fist skills? Xuanku?
    Founder's Long Fist is a common skill that everyone in jianghu know, a very basic skill

    shaolin has their own version which called Shaolin's Long Fist, but the one that xiao feng use was Founder's long fist

    so probably xuan ku because he was his first teacher, or xiao feng just got it from watching other people fight

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