The Hardest Palms Contest from DGSD, Condor Trilogy, and SPW

[FeilongZ]

In this contest, one on one contestants will use only direct palm clashes to fight each other.
Techniques like ZBT vacuum fists or poison palms are not allowed.

Who will be crowned as Wulin's No. 1 Palm Fighter.

Please list your contestant or contestants with the strongest palms.

[Ken Cheng]

This is genuinely a tough one. Many, many candidates.

[Mandred Skavenslayer]

If we are talking about sheer power then I would nominated Yang Guo and Guo Jing at their peak and eliminate the others for the following:
Qiao Feng: Tenacious but not quite reached his peak when he died (was still growing)
H7G: Died Pre 16 years and YG & GJ had surprised pre 16 years Great Level at their peaks
Other Greats and near greats in the condor Trilogy had no palm technique comparable to 18 Dragon Palm for power.
DGSD & SPW had fighters who may have surpassed YG & GJ in overall martial arts, but not pure palm power.

[Ken Cheng]

If we are talking about sheer power then I would nominated Yang Guo and Guo Jing at their peak and eliminate the others for the following:
Qiao Feng: Tenacious but not quite reached his peak when he died (was still growing)
H7G: Died Pre 16 years and YG & GJ had surprised pre 16 years Great Level at their peaks
Other Greats and near greats in the condor Trilogy had no palm technique comparable to 18 Dragon Palm for power.
DGSD & SPW had fighters who may have surpassed YG & GJ in overall martial arts, but not pure palm power.

Also don't sleep on Kau Cheen Yan. Those Iron Palms of his had a fearsome reputation.

[Western Eccentric]

If we are talking about sheer power then I would nominated Yang Guo and Guo Jing at their peak and eliminate the others for the following:
Qiao Feng: Tenacious but not quite reached his peak when he died (was still growing)
H7G: Died Pre 16 years and YG & GJ had surprised pre 16 years Great Level at their peaks
Other Greats and near greats in the condor Trilogy had no palm technique comparable to 18 Dragon Palm for power.
DGSD & SPW had fighters who may have surpassed YG & GJ in overall martial arts, but not pure palm power.

Nope..
XF has reached his peak in DGSD that's why The Janitor Monk notice his 18 Dragon Palm is the world number one palm skill

[CC]

If we are talking about sheer power then I would nominated Yang Guo and Guo Jing at their peak and eliminate the others for the following:
Qiao Feng: Tenacious but not quite reached his peak when he died (was still growing)
H7G: Died Pre 16 years and YG & GJ had surprised pre 16 years Great Level at their peaks
Other Greats and near greats in the condor Trilogy had no palm technique comparable to 18 Dragon Palm for power.
DGSD & SPW had fighters who may have surpassed YG & GJ in overall martial arts, but not pure palm power.

JY had sort of answered that in his Tsinghua 100 question session. He explicitly said that XF had the fiercest/strongest palms out of XF/GJ/H7G.

[Western Eccentric]

I think XF since Janitor Monk mentioned his 18 Palm of Dragon Slaying it's the number 1 palm technique under heaven

[Ken Cheng]

I think XF since Janitor Monk mentioned his 18 Palm of Dragon Slaying it's the number 1 palm technique under heaven

I'd give it to Kiu Fung too, but there are these incongruous scenes when he struggled to injure a wild animal (a tiger or bear), and his full-force strike on Ah Chu (disguised as Deun Jing Tsun) somehow allowed her to live for at least an hour afterwards. Weird.

[texture]

"... and his full-force strike on Ah Chu (disguised as Deun Jing Tsun) somehow allowed her to live for at least an hour afterwards. Weird." No palm is more powerful than a Last Words Death scene.

[Mandred Skavenslayer]

Nope..
XF has reached his peak in DGSD that's why The Janitor Monk notice his 18 Dragon Palm is the world number one palm skill

I argued he hadn't reached his peak as during the novel his father commented that QF has improved noticeable (around 1/2%) within a few months. That would indicate his power was still growing.

[FeilongZ]

Semi finals:

Jinlun Fawang (Level 10 Dragon/Elephant Arts vs Ren Wo Xing

Xiao Feng vs Yang Guo (Full-powered Sad Palms)

Note: YG started the fight with his standard "Sea Palms" and Sad Palms was automatically unleashed when he was at a disadvantage due to having only one arm.


*Did not participate
*Qiu Qian Ren: As a monk, he did not want to harm anyone
*Guo Jing: Too busy thinking about defending his country from the Mongol Empire or maybe he doesn't want to face Xiao Feng

[Western Eccentric]

Semi finals:

Jinlun Fawang (Level 10 Dragon/Elephant Arts vs Ren Wo Xing

Xiao Feng vs Yang Guo (Full-powered Sad Palms)

Note: YG started the fight with his standard "Sea Palms" and Sad Palms was automatically unleashed when he was at a disadvantage due to having only one arm.


*Did not participate
*Qiu Qian Ren: As a monk, he did not want to harm anyone
*Guo Jing: Too busy thinking about defending his country from the Mongol Empire or maybe he doesn't want to face Xiao Feng

Well as far as I know people in wulin feared RWX during his life is because of his Xixing Dafa not because of his superior palm skill or top notch sword technique or incomparable neigong..

[Ren Wo Xing]

The problem with this thread is that the proposed contest strips out basically all technique and finess; it's just a competition of raw application of internal energy, really. I would argue that under the proposed guidelines, You Tanzhi would defeat Xiao Feng; in the YTZ+MRF combo against XF, all MRF really did was prevent YTZ from falling for many of XF's tricks and traps, while YTZ tanked all of XF's strikes with ease. In comparison, XF basically had to burn his stamina to prevent himself from being 'infected' by the ice silkworm poison, and it was stated that after an hour or so of this he would probably be all out. So in a non-stop palm-vs-palm competition between him and YTZ, it's likely that YTZ would win, even though XF completely outclasses the man in a real fight.

There's also a lot of other weird factors. For example, with every single palm clash RWX would be able to drain your internal energy, unless you used something really strange/unique like the Tendon Altering Sutra or Polar Ice Qi, so unless you completely overwhelmed him from the very first palm (difficult) then he would eventually win. Same goes for Duan Yu, who doesn't even really specialize in palm arts. Or what about the likes of Xu Zhu? He has monster internal energy and arguably could be said to thus have the 'hardest' palms, but he specializes in the Tianshang Six Yang Palms which is more focused on technique and acupoint grabbing. Then there are the likes of Shi Potian, etc...

Anyhow, in a straight up 'hardest palms', I think the victor would be one of three, based purely off their internal energy - Xu Zhu (who learned Dragon Palms), Shi Potian (who is just absolutely ridiculous), and a surprising one - Jinlun Fawang. His internal energy and strikes were so strong that even someone as powerful as Zhou Botong was afraid to meet them head-on and had to diffuse them with Vacuum Fists.

[Mandred Skavenslayer]

The problem with this thread is that the proposed contest strips out basically all technique and finess; it's just a competition of raw application of internal energy, really. I would argue that under the proposed guidelines, You Tanzhi would defeat Xiao Feng; in the YTZ+MRF combo against XF, all MRF really did was prevent YTZ from falling for many of XF's tricks and traps, while YTZ tanked all of XF's strikes with ease. In comparison, XF basically had to burn his stamina to prevent himself from being 'infected' by the ice silkworm poison, and it was stated that after an hour or so of this he would probably be all out. So in a non-stop palm-vs-palm competition between him and YTZ, it's likely that YTZ would win, even though XF completely outclasses the man in a real fight.

There's also a lot of other weird factors. For example, with every single palm clash RWX would be able to drain your internal energy, unless you used something really strange/unique like the Tendon Altering Sutra or Polar Ice Qi, so unless you completely overwhelmed him from the very first palm (difficult) then he would eventually win. Same goes for Duan Yu, who doesn't even really specialize in palm arts. Or what about the likes of Xu Zhu? He has monster internal energy and arguably could be said to thus have the 'hardest' palms, but he specializes in the Tianshang Six Yang Palms which is more focused on technique and acupoint grabbing. Then there are the likes of Shi Potian, etc...

Anyhow, in a straight up 'hardest palms', I think the victor would be one of three, based purely off their internal energy - Xu Zhu (who learned Dragon Palms), Shi Potian (who is just absolutely ridiculous), and a surprising one - Jinlun Fawang. His internal energy and strikes were so strong that even someone as powerful as Zhou Botong was afraid to meet them head-on and had to diffuse them with Vacuum Fists.

Agree with most but the final part didn't YG go head to head with JLFW and prevailed using Sad Palm?

[Western Eccentric]

Agree with most but the final part didn't YG go head to head with JLFW and prevailed using Sad Palm?

I think in terms of pure "raw" power and strength Sad Palm inferior to JLFW 10th Dragon/Elephant Palm..

[Ren Wo Xing]

Agree with most but the final part didn't YG go head to head with JLFW and prevailed using Sad Palm?

Not in a direct clash. Sad Palm's weird techniques allowed him to land a strike on JLFW, but he wasn't able to prevail in a head-on clash. No one on record did.

[Western Eccentric]

Not in a direct clash. Sad Palm's weird techniques allowed him to land a strike on JLFW, but he wasn't able to prevail in a head-on clash. No one on record did.

Agree about it and I think among Condor main heroes only Wuji could nonstop "toe to toe" with JLFW thanks his 9 Yang Divine Power..

[EdenResident]

Not sure what to make of this. If it's just raw powerzl, then it'll just be a glorified internals contest. Give someone like Xu Zhu a month to learn any palm art and he would blast any fool to oblivion. JLFW's Dragon Elephant Palm is so powerful because he trained for a long *** time to power up his internals.

If we exclude the super-Greats, then it'll probably go like this:
JLFW, ZWJ
XF
GJ, YG, Jue Yuan
ZSF, HQG
Other Greats, Fang Zheng, QQR

[Ken Cheng]

Agree with most but the final part didn't YG go head to head with JLFW and prevailed using Sad Palm?

I don't think they clashed palms. Golden Wheel Monk just plain old got hit and wasn't prepared to intercept the strike with one of his own. The technique was too weird for him to process and react to in time.

[FeilongZ]

To Ken:
The following translation showed that they clashed palms one time during the initial exchange:

The following translation was taken from RoCH 3rd Edition Excerpts by Athena. Edited by IcyFox.

Yang Guo sheathed his sword and used his palm to intercept that blow from Fa Wang. When the two huge forces collided, both of them rocked about and the wooden ladder trembled like it was going to break. Both of them were shocked and praised his opponent, "I haven't seen him for 16 years, I never imagined his internal strength would have increased this much."